Why the Third Temple will not be built.

[Hobie]

The site where the Temple stood, is now dominated by two structures which keep Jews from any chance to build or restore, which are the al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, near the center of the temple mount, which is seem as one of the holiest Islamic structure in the world, and has been the scene of much resistance to Jews coming near.

The temple mount is the base and is the place where the past Jewish temples stood, which makes it among the holiest sites in Judaism to say nothing of how Christians look at it. The First Temple was built by Solomon, the son of David, in 957 BC, and was destroyed by the Babylonian Empire, in 587 BCE. The Second Temple was constructed under of Zerubbabel in 516 BCE, was renovated by King Herod, and this is the temple that was standing when Christ came. The second temple lasted until AD 70, when it was razed to the ground by Roman soldiers under Titus.

Now today, we have many evangelicals and many orthodox Jews want to reestablish the temple and even the sacrificial system. Many Christians hold that the Jewish temple will be rebuilt before Christ comes, and have set up Christian ministries to assist in the building of the temple to hasten the return of Jesus. For many of them, they think such an event will signal the start of the final events of earth’s history, but they are confused on the subject of the temple. They claim certain text as proof such as 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4..
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

They misinterpret who the man of sin is, and think it is a future antichrist, when the apostate church has already revealed itself and persecuted the faithful and burned them at the stake and tried to wipe them out, which history shows us clearly is here in the Papacy.

Now, the Jews have claimed Donald Trump as a new 'King Cyrus' by some evangelical Christians and Israeli political figures for his Gaza Peace initiative and strong support for Israel, as part of a divine plan. And we have Orthodox Jewish "tradition" that claims it is here, in the city of Jerusalem that the third and final Temple will be built when they say the 'messiah comes'. But if Christ came and they did not recognized him, then what 'messiah' are they waiting for. And we have Gods Word which tells us what Temple or Tabernacle its talking about..

Hebrews 6:20
19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 9:11
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Hebrews 10:19-23
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 ;By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 ;Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Christ is the fulfillment of God’s promise to live among His people by a "greater and more perfect Tabernacle not made with hands'.

 

[Josheb]

A third temple will not be built because God Himself built the temple to which he was always referring (1 Cor. 3:16), and He wants no other built. Any temple that might be built in the future would be an abomination and, therefore, not a function of divine prophecy of divine desire. Reading any prophecy to say another temple will be built would, therefore, have to be read as God prophesying deliberate abominable and desolate disobedience. Furthermore, if such building of a temple is ever thought to be a steppingstone toward salvation in Christ, then that belief turns salvation into a works doctrine. All salvation by works viewpoints should be discarded.

I'm curious @Hobie. Haven't I previously read you asserting or supporting the prospect of a third temple? If so, what's changed in your thinking?

 

[EarlyActs]

The site where the Temple stood, is now dominated by two structures which keep Jews from any chance to build or restore, which are the al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, near the center of the temple mount, which is seem as one of the holiest Islamic structure in the world, and has been the scene of much resistance to Jews coming near.

The temple mount is the base and is the place where the past Jewish temples stood, which makes it among the holiest sites in Judaism to say nothing of how Christians look at it. The First Temple was built by Solomon, the son of David, in 957 BC, and was destroyed by the Babylonian Empire, in 587 BCE. The Second Temple was constructed under of Zerubbabel in 516 BCE, was renovated by King Herod, and this is the temple that was standing when Christ came. The second temple lasted until AD 70, when it was razed to the ground by Roman soldiers under Titus.

Now today, we have many evangelicals and many orthodox Jews want to reestablish the temple and even the sacrificial system. Many Christians hold that the Jewish temple will be rebuilt before Christ comes, and have set up Christian ministries to assist in the building of the temple to hasten the return of Jesus. For many of them, they think such an event will signal the start of the final events of earth’s history, but they are confused on the subject of the temple. They claim certain text as proof such as 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4..
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

They misinterpret who the man of sin is, and think it is a future antichrist, when the apostate church has already revealed itself and persecuted the faithful and burned them at the stake and tried to wipe them out, which history shows us clearly is here in the Papacy.

Now, the Jews have claimed Donald Trump as a new 'King Cyrus' by some evangelical Christians and Israeli political figures for his Gaza Peace initiative and strong support for Israel, as part of a divine plan. And we have Orthodox Jewish "tradition" that claims it is here, in the city of Jerusalem that the third and final Temple will be built when they say the 'messiah comes'. But if Christ came and they did not recognized him, then what 'messiah' are they waiting for. And we have Gods Word which tells us what Temple or Tabernacle its talking about..

Hebrews 6:20
19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 9:11
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Hebrews 10:19-23
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 ;By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 ;Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Christ is the fulfillment of God’s promise to live among His people by a "greater and more perfect Tabernacle not made with hands'.

I would be quite happy if a mass of Jewish believers suddenly became evangelists, but this is not the case now. That, not other peace news or distress news, would be the signal. As Isaiah said 'say unto the cities of Judah, behold your God' about Messiah, Is 40.

 

[Paul]

I disagree and somehow the Lord will watch to make sure His words are fullfilled. Christains won't build a thrird temple but a 3rd temple will be built as I read 2thess 2 and rev 11 and the sign given as taught by the Lord about the time of the end. Matt 24:15

And the Lord is speaking of the great tribulation. Matt 24:21-22 during these days. Matt 24:15

In Zach 14 the monut of olives is split in two to make a way for the people to flee from the surrounding armies. A future event as the beast, anti christ, or man of lawless invades the holy land at the time of the end as those armies are defeated by a coming of the Lord not mankind.

 

[Rella]

https://learn.openchristian.educati...emple-s-construction-and-priestly-restoration​

Sixbert SANGWA January 01, 2025

The rebuilding of the Third Temple in Jerusalem has emerged as one of the most significant prophetic markers of the end times, heralding the rapture of the Church and the eventual second coming of Jesus Christ. Recent developments have shown unprecedented progress in preparation efforts, despite ongoing geopolitical tensions at the Temple Mount. Key milestones include securing substantial funding, successfully breeding qualified red heifers for purification rituals, creating an exact replica of the Ark of the Covenant, and establishing comprehensive training programs for priests and Levites. While these achievements mark remarkable progress, the temple site's contested status remains a critical challenge that could potentially trigger significant prophetic events. These developments align with biblical prophecies found in Daniel 9:27 and Matthew 24:15-16, requiring careful examination through both biblical discernment and an understanding of current geopolitical dynamics.

Background and Progress Toward the Third Temple​

The Temple Mount in Jerusalem remains one of the most contested pieces of real estate in the world (Lambert, n.d.). It is revered as the site of both Solomon's Temple and the Second Temple, which were integral to Israel's worship. Following the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70, the Jewish people were left without a central place of worship. However, biblical prophecy anticipates the construction of a Third Temple. The apostle Paul refers to this temple when describing the "man of lawlessness" who will desecrate it (see 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4).

In recent years, preparations for rebuilding the Third Temple have reached unprecedented levels, marking a profound step toward fulfilling biblical prophecy. According to Israel National News (2014) and the Temple Institute's official documentations (FAQ), the Temple Institute in Jerusalem has made remarkable progress in fulfilling key requirements. This progress is particularly significant as it demonstrates the first concrete steps toward rebuilding since the temple's destruction in 70 AD. The Institute has secured substantial funding and successfully recreated numerous temple implements according to biblical specifications, including the menorah, altar of incense, and table of showbread - items that are essential for temple worship and were specifically commanded by God in Exodus. Additionally, the Institute has constructed a modular altar that can be quickly assembled, making it possible to resume sacrificial worship when circumstances permit (Messianic Bible, n.d.). These developments collectively mark a historic milestone in the preparation for the Third Temple's construction and its role in end-time events.

In a significant development, five red heifers were transported from Texas to Israel in September 2022, marking the first qualified red heifers in over 2,000 years according to both the Jerusalem Post (2024), Al Jazeera (2024), and the Temple Institute (2024). This achievement represents a crucial milestone in Third Temple preparations, as the ashes of a red heifer are essential for purifying both the temple site and the priests who will serve in it, according to Numbers 19:2-10. Without this purification ritual, the construction and operation of the Third Temple would be considered ritually invalid under Jewish law. The presence of these qualified heifers removes one of the major obstacles to temple reconstruction, potentially accelerating the timeline for prophetic fulfillment (Khalil,2002). How might this development challenge or strengthen our understanding of biblical prophecy fulfillment in modern times?

Further advancing their preparations, the Temple Institute has meticulously crafted a replica of the Ark of the Covenant according to the biblical specifications in Exodus 25:10-22. These specifications detail precise measurements and materials, including acacia wood overlaid with pure gold, and golden rings for carrying poles. This development is particularly significant as the Ark of the Covenant represents the very heart of temple worship, symbolizing God's presence and His covenant with Israel. Its recreation signals a major step toward full temple restoration and demonstrates the Institute's commitment to precise biblical adherence in preparation for temple services. While the original Ark's location remains unknown, this replica serves important symbolic and ritual purposes (Temple Institute, 2024; CDPC KL, 2024).

According to multiple sources (Messianic Bible, 2024; Israel365 News, 2024; Messianic Bible News,2024; Way of Life, 2024), the Temple Institute has established comprehensive training programs for qualified priests (Kohanim) from verifiable priestly lineages, confirmed through DNA testing. The training program, launched in 2014, encompasses theoretical studies of temple law and hands-on workshops. Candidates learn essential skills including sacrificial offering procedures, ritual purification methods, and precise ceremonial execution. Using replicas of temple vessels, they practice maintaining ritual purity, precise service timing, temple music, and the proper use of meticulously recreated priestly garments that follow biblical specifications.

A fully functioning Sanhedrin, or Jewish high court, has been reestablished. This development fulfills a key requirement for temple governance and ritual oversight. The Sanhedrin's reestablishment is a significant milestone in the preparations for the Third Temple (Jewish Voice Ministries, n.d.; Jewish Voice, 2024). As the authorized religious body, it will oversee temple construction decisions, validate priestly lineages, and ensure all preparations and eventual operations adhere to biblical and rabbinical law.

Check the link for more as this is too long to post.​

 

[CrowCross]

@Hobie started with this title...​

Why the Third Temple will not be built.​

@Josheb is correct in post 2 and at the same time wrong.

It is true believers are now the Temple of God. But, the bible presents a future temple built by the Jews.

There will be a temple built...called the temple of God...BUT, God won't be part of it. That dispensation is over.

@Rella post right above this post showed some of the latest concerning this temple.

 

[Josheb]

But, the bible presents a future temple built by the Jews.

Prove it.

Start by providing at least one verse that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future.

Then, upon being unable to provide such a verse, acknowledge that fact. Acknowledge the fact there is not such explicit statement and that position is one held solely by inference.


Only then will I entertain the prospect of what you say is "presented," because anyone can make the Bible say anything. The question is whether or not what they say it says is built on anything explicitly stated or a function of eisegesis inference. Only Dispensational Premillennialists think the Bible says another temple will be built. Historic Premillennialists do NOT believe another temple will be built. Amillennialists do NOT believe another temple will be built. Postmillennialists do NOT believe another temple will be built. Idealists do NOT believe another temple will be built. Only people coming from your modern futurism believe the Bible presents a future temple will be built by the Jews and when modern futurists, like you, are asked to start with what is stated the results are ALWAYS obfuscation and avoidance.

Be different this time.

Either post the verse that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future or acknowledge there is no such statement. Then we can discuss the inferences and why you think those inferences are correct when no one else in Christendom holds that view. Until then....

@Josheb is correct in post 2 and at the same time wrong.

Scripture states otherwise.

All OT inferences to a future temple should be understood as John 2:21 and 1 Corinthians 3:16. That is what God was always talking about from the beginning of His word on His temple. ANYONE who reads their Bible that way will understand what modern futurists have failed to grasp since the inception of that outlying theology.



So prove I was wrong and your assertion is correct. Start with the verse explicitly stating another temple is to be built in our future.

 

[CrowCross]

Prove it.

Been there....done that.

I've presented you the verse...@Rella in post 5 showed you what's currently happening in post 5.

 

[Josheb]

Been there....done that.

I've presented you the verse...@Rella in post 5 showed you what's currently happening in post 5.

Nothing posted has provided a single verse from the Bible explicitly stating another temple will be built in our future. Nothing. In point of fact, as far as this thread goes, you have not posted any scripture, much less a verse explicitly stating another temple will be built in our future. Our future, not theirs. Our future, not the future of the first century recipient of the epistolary.

However, biblical prophecy anticipates the construction of a Third Temple.

No, it does not.

The apostle Paul refers to this temple when describing the "man of lawlessness" who will desecrate it (see 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4).

2 Thes. 2:3-4 makes no explicit statement another temple will be built in our future. There were two temples standing when Paul wrote those words to the Thessalonians and those words should be understood in that context. That is how the original readers would have understood those words and in order to infer another temple is implied those facts have to be ignored and discarded. It's bad exegesis to ignore the facts of scripture in order to invent and inference that's incomprehensible to the original readers.

I reiterate: No other eschatology holds to this point of view and when modern futurists are asked to provide explicit statements from scripture the response if obfuscation (like Post 8). I even provided a way out with the alternative: Just acknowledge an explicit statement does not exist, and then we can discuss the inferences.

Been there....done that. I've presented you the verse...@Rella in post 5 showed you what's currently happening in post 5.

Obfuscation.

 

[Paul]

Dr Wallace leans toward a literal temple reading 2thess 2:4 and makes no mention of a 2nd temple.

https://bible.org/article/“temple-god”-2-thessalonians-24-literal-or-metaphorical

His conclusion then is as follows:

In conclusion, we are on much surer ground if we see the literal temple referenced in 2 Thess 2:4. If so, then it seems that such may well be rebuilt. Thus, when the antichrist sits on the mercy seat, claiming to be God, he will have culminated a long line of multiple and partial fulfillments of Daniel's prophecy, beginning with Antiochus Epiphanes. Let the reader beware

But in Rev 11 what is being measured ? And it speaks to more than a inner sanctuary.

I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles.

He's speaking of the time of the end not ad70.
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—

The great tribulation
then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

So while it doesn't state another temple will be rebuilt sound reasoning would conclude if one exists at the time of the end it must have been built by man after the destruction of the temple in the 1st century ans since it hasn't happen yet it is in OUR future.

 

[EarlyActs]

I disagree and somehow the Lord will watch to make sure His words are fullfilled. Christains won't build a thrird temple but a 3rd temple will be built as I read 2thess 2 and rev 11 and the sign given as taught by the Lord about the time of the end. Matt 24:15

And the Lord is speaking of the great tribulation. Matt 24:21-22 during these days. Matt 24:15

In Zach 14 the monut of olives is split in two to make a way for the people to flee from the surrounding armies. A future event as the beast, anti christ, or man of lawless invades the holy land at the time of the end as those armies are defeated by a coming of the Lord not mankind.

Mt24A (to v29) is set in that generation of Israel. There are several pieces that fix this, including 'this generation,' taken in its normal sense.

Then at v29 (the time mark 'after these things') the 2nd coming was expected as a worldwide, universe-wide event, but has been delayed. This delay is allowed just a few verses later, in Mk 13's 4 possible return times, and in 2 Peter 3. What is not delayed is Mt24A, the events in that generation in Israel. This is why there are so many references to the end of the world to be soon in the NT, for ex., I Cor 7.

The reason that is not delayed is because it is the launch of the Christian mission; Israel was expected to be missionaries to all the nations, Rom 10.. It was being punished for failing that. To make that even more specific, see Dr. Heisman's work on 'closing the Bab-El' loop: the 70 nations that divided at Bab-el were going to be reached by preaching the Gospel. At the time of the writing of Romans, Paul believed that only Spain had not been reached, out of this list.

A timestamp that bears out the severe consequence (which of course is in the warning of Acts 3 about ignoring the new Moses) is in Lk 23:28, where the mountains will fall on the infants of Jerusalem when they are adults 3-4 decades later. The Romans launched rocks from Jerusalem's hills into it by catapult. Hosea is quoted about this, and the Rev uses the same line, which is one of the indicators that the Rev was also about the astonishing event of 66-72.

 

[CrowCross]

Nothing posted has provided a single verse from the Bible explicitly stating another temple will be built in our future.

Not this again???

Then you're answer to post 5 is...Obfuscation.

 

[Paul]

Mt24A (to v29) is set in that generation of Israel. There are several pieces that fix this, including 'this generation,' taken in its normal sense.

Then at v29 (the time mark 'after these things') the 2nd coming was expected as a worldwide, universe-wide event, but has been delayed. This delay is allowed just a few verses later, in Mk 13's 4 possible return times, and in 2 Peter 3. What is not delayed is Mt24A, the events in that generation in Israel. This is why there are so many references to the end of the world to be soon in the NT, for ex., I Cor 7.

The reason that is not delayed is because it is the launch of the Christian mission; Israel was expected to be missionaries to all the nations, Rom 10.. It was being punished for failing that. To make that even more specific, see Dr. Heisman's work on 'closing the Bab-El' loop: the 70 nations that divided at Bab-el were going to be reached by preaching the Gospel. At the time of the writing of Romans, Paul believed that only Spain had not been reached, out of this list.

A timestamp that bears out the severe consequence (which of course is in the warning of Acts 3 about ignoring the new Moses) is in Lk 23:28, where the mountains will fall on the infants of Jerusalem when they are adults 3-4 decades later. The Romans launched rocks from Jerusalem's hills into it by catapult. Hosea is quoted about this, and the Rev uses the same line, which is one of the indicators that the Rev was also about the astonishing event of 66-72.

The beast as in daniel and rev has a declared reign of 42 months. So any revealing is at the time of the end and its noted as him sitiing in the temple declaring himself God. A sign to the whole world as is Rev 11.
The beast kills the two witnesses as spoken of in rev 11. A future event to us. A temple is measured.
The bowl judgments are the the judgments that plunge the beasts kingdom into darkness. A future event to us.
As noted in 2thess2 and rev 16:15 -for the great battle of God the beast is defeated by a coming of the Lord not man. Not a possible 1st century event.

Jesus is speaking of the time of the end. The great tribulation.

When these events take place the generation that witnesses them will not end before the 2nd coming.

Its clear to me a temple that does not exist now will exist at the time of the end and will be built by man. Its not worth 100 replies going back and forth with disagreement. People will have to choose for themselves what they see.

 

[Josheb]

Dr Wallace leans toward a literal temple reading 2thess 2:4 and makes no mention of a 2nd temple.....

Mt24A (to v29) is set in that generation of Israel. There are several pieces that fix this, including 'this generation,' taken in its normal sense......

Good stuff guys but don't get diverted. The request was for an explicit statement , a verse explicitly stating another temple would be built in our future.... but no such verse has been provided. The reasons for this request were provided: Let us start first with what scripture states and what is not stated. Then let's examine the inferences and whether they are predicated on what is stated and what can be inferred exegetically, or what is inferred eisegetically. The additional benefit provided by starting what is stated are 1) a consensus is established from which a discussion can be had, and 2) collaboration is established, which is important because there is absolutely no sense in discussing anyone with anyone who will not acknowledge the simplest facts of scripture or who will not cooperate with simple, relevant queries. If any of us were asked, "Please provide me with the verse that explicitly states the existence of the Trinity," we would all (hopefully) IMMEDIATELY reply, "There is no explicit statement to that effect. The doctrine of the Trinity is one obtained by exegetical inference based on what is stated in various places in scripture."

But htat is NEVER what happens with Dispensational Premillennialists (and other modern futurists).

Not this again???

Then you're answer to post 5 is...Obfuscation.

A non-answer response to something that should have been answered succinctly, immediately, and without qualification so as to move the conversation forward without delay or other obfuscation.

Afterall, how difficult is it to post,

"There is no verse in the Bible that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future. That position is one obtained by an inferential reading given certain presuppositions and I am aware Dispensational Premillennialism is the only eschatology that approaches scripture with those presuppositions, and the only eschatology that concludes another temple will be built in our future."​

That would move the conversation right along.

We should ALL be able to acknowledge 2 Thessalonians does not explicitly state another temple will be built in the 21st century or later. We should all be able to discuss how it is some infer another temple is implied by the 2 Thessalonians text, but the simple, observable fact is we can't have that discussion because the Dispensationalist will not collaborate. No obfuscation wanted, need, nor provided on my part.

 

[Paul]

Good stuff guys but don't get diverted. The request was for an explicit statement , a verse explicitly stating another temple would be built in our future.... but no such verse has been provided. The reasons for this request were provided: Let us start first with what scripture states and what is not stated. Then let's examine the inferences and whether they are predicated on what is stated and what can be inferred exegetically, or what is inferred eisegetically. The additional benefit provided by starting what is stated are 1) a consensus is established from which a discussion can be had, and 2) collaboration is established, which is important because there is absolutely no sense in discussing anyone with anyone who will not acknowledge the simplest facts of scripture or who will not cooperate with simple, relevant queries. If any of us were asked, "Please provide me with the verse that explicitly states the existence of the Trinity," we would all (hopefully) IMMEDIATELY reply, "There is no explicit statement to that effect. The doctrine of the Trinity is one obtained by exegetical inference based on what is stated in various places in scripture."

There is a temple at the time of the end as was shown by scripture. You want proof it was built by man? Perhaps you should give proof of where it came from if it wasn't built as its existance has been shown and no such temple exists now.

But htat is NEVER what happens with Dispensational Premillennialists (and other modern futurists).

A non-answer response to something that should have been answered succinctly, immediately, and without qualification so as to move the conversation forward without delay or other obfuscation.

Afterall, how difficult is it to post,

"There is no verse in the Bible that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future. That position is one obtained by an inferential reading given certain presuppositions and I am aware Dispensational Premillennialism is the only eschatology that approaches scripture with those presuppositions, and the only eschatology that concludes another temple will be built in our future."​

Clearly we reason different. The man of lawlessness that is destroyed by a coming of the Lord reveals Himself by sitting in a temple that currently does not exist. Its very reasonable to me a temple will be built to fullfil that revelation given by a Apostle of the Lord.
I am premil which is another topic. I can read Rev as God pours out His wrath and Jesus coming at the end for the great battle of God. I can read Zach 14 as the Lord defeats the nations attacking Jerusalem. I can read Jesus's parable to let the weeds and the wheat grow up together until the harvest which will start with the weeds. I can read of the 1st resurrection noted in Rev with those who come to life and reign with the Lord for a thousand years. A resurrection that is stated on the last day. A gathering from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heaven. Therefore I reason those not raised on that day must be those who suffer.

That would move the conversation right along.

We should ALL be able to acknowledge 2 Thessalonians does not explicitly state another temple will be built in the 21st century or later. We should all be able to discuss how it is some infer another temple is implied by the 2 Thessalonians text, but the simple, observable fact is we can't have that discussion because the Dispensationalist will not collaborate. No obfuscation wanted, need, nor provided on my part.

I think you should acknowledge that a temple is shown at the time of the end and explain where it comes from if its not built as it currently doesn't exist. OR we can agree t disagree because my position isn't going to change from what I read.

 

[CrowCross]

Good stuff guys but don't get diverted. The request was for an explicit statement ,

LOL..Oh, I get it...Kinda like asking for an explicit statement that presents the Trinity.

You do know Josheb the verses have been presented to you but you don't seem to have the ability to connect the dots on the temple issue but can concerning the trinity. picking?

2nd Thes 2:4 gives us a DOT to connect.
4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Now, I know you understand there is no temple right now....but, Paul speaks of a Temple in the future.

I would imagine by now you have learned there is no temple right now. Yes?

There is also a temple mentioned in Rev 11. Which is also future. Another DOT you can connect.

So, I'm sorry if I can't find a verse in the bible that explicitly states the temple will be rebuilt....

You asked and several people here have answered your question.
Post 5 by @Rella gave a pretty good overall scenario of what is currently happening....do you also feel the need to deny that to support your need for an explicit statement?

 

[Josheb]

2 Thes. 2:3-4 makes no explicit statement another temple will be built in our future. There were two temples standing when Paul wrote those words to the Thessalonians and those words should be understood in that context. That is how the original readers would have understood those words and in order to infer another temple is implied those facts have to be ignored and discarded. It's bad exegesis to ignore the facts of scripture in order to invent and inference that's incomprehensible to the original readers.

There is a temple at the time of the end as was shown by scripture.

I know. I already said that in Post 9.

You want proof it was built by man?

Why would I want proof it was built by men? Was the temple of stone built by beavers, porpoises, or maybe Martians?

Perhaps you should give proof of where it came from if it wasn't built as its existance has been shown and no such temple exists now.

Perhaps you should pay attention to the posts before posting nonsense.

Clearly we reason different.

Prove it.

Its very reasonable to me a temple will be built to fullfil that revelation given by a Apostle of the Lord.

Great. Then let's start with what is explicitly stated before entertaining any inferences. Please provide me with the verse that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future. If such a verse either cannot be found or does not exist then please explicitly state, "No such verse exists," or "I cannot find one."

Can you reason through scripture that much, or is that too much to ask?

 

[Josheb]

LOL..Oh, I get it...Kinda like asking for an explicit statement that presents the Trinity.

I do not think you do understand.

If any of us were asked, "Please provide me with the verse that explicitly states the existence of the Trinity," we would all (hopefully) IMMEDIATELY reply, "There is no explicit statement to that effect. The doctrine of the Trinity is one obtained by exegetical inference based on what is stated in various places in scripture."

But that is NEVER what happens with Dispensational Premillennialists (and other modern futurists).

I can link everyone in this thread to multiple occasions when you have been asked this question and refused to answer it. Would you like me to do so? The fact is there is no verse in the entire Bible that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future and it is also a fact you rarely, if ever, explicitly state that fact even though 1) you could and 2) it is the only correct answer there is.

You do know Josheb...

What I know is that 1) 2 Thessalonians 2 does not explicitly state another temple will be built in our future, 2) you're trying to make this discussion about me, and 3) I'm reporting the post for that reason.




There will not be another temple built, and if such a temple is built then it will have nothing to do with biblical prophecy. There is no verse in the Bible that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future. The only way to arrive at such a position is to ignore the fact there were two temples standing in the epistolary time and infer things never stated. The only Christians who do that are Dispensational Premillennialists (or associated modern futurists).

 

[Josheb]

So, I'm sorry if I can't find a verse in the bible that explicitly states the temple will be rebuilt....

No need to be sorry. Just state the facts of scripture: There is not one verse that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future. OR state the fact you can't find one.


The next step would be to start with that fact, not an eisegetic inference. The next step would be to start with what is explicitly stated in scripture, such as the fact there were two temples standing at the time the New Testament epistolary was written. Or the fact all the Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament about a temple God would build are about Jesus and the body of Christ. Not one of these facts is (or should be) a matter of debate.

At no point is it appropriate to invent stuff and say the invention is scripture "presents."

So...... it has been acknowledged no verse explicitly stating another temple will be built in our future, and you're sorry about that . Can you provide me (and the other participants here in this thread) with a verse that explicitly states there was a temple of standing at the time when the New Testament was written? If so, then please cite the address, and if not then please explicitly state no such verse can be found. I'll even help with this inquiry. Unlike the previous inquiry, there are several verses in the NT stating a temple of stone existed during the NT era.

Matthew 21:10-11
When he had entered Jerusalem, all the city was stirred, saying, “Who is this?” And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.” And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves.

Matthew 24:1
Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when his disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to him.

The disciples pointed out the temple. It's very easily to enter a temple that exists, but very difficult to do so with a temple that does not exist.



Now you try it. Provide us with a verse stating a temple of stone was standing at the time the New Testament was written. If you're feeling encouraged after finding such a verse, then take the opportunity to provide the verse stating a temple that wasn't built out of stone existed during the epistolary era.

 

[Paul]

I do not think you do understand.

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I can link everyone in this thread to multiple occasions when you have been asked this question and refused to answer it. Would you like me to do so? The fact is there is no verse in the entire Bible that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future and it is also a fact you rarely, if ever, explicitly state that fact even though 1) you could and 2) it is the only correct answer there is.

What I know is that 1) 2 Thessalonians 2 does not explicitly state another temple will be built in our future, 2) you're trying to make this discussion about me, and 3) I'm reporting the post for that reason.

Please expand on your two-temple theory which is not considered by all. Where did you read of a 2nd temple?

There will not be another temple built, and if such a temple is built then it will have nothing to do with biblical prophecy. There is no verse in the Bible that explicitly states another temple will be built in our future. The only way to arrive at such a position is to ignore the fact there were two temples standing in the epistolary time and infer things never stated. The only Christians who do that are Dispensational Premillennialists (or associated modern futurists).

A temple will exist in the time of the end. There is no temple now. In Paul's day there was a single temple which was destroyed in the 1st century. The only way to arrive at that is not to start with two temples as there was only one at a time but reason another temple will be built by those not of the faith which will be standing in the days of the beast of Rev.