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Who is Babylon the great?

Marty

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I believe that the bible tells us that the mystery of Babylon the great is the first century city of Jerusalem.

Is Babylon the great that the book of Revelation talks about really the same Babylon that Isaiah 21 and 47 or Zechariah 2 prophesied about? If so then why is it called mystery Babylon?

Below are 10 points from the bible that show us that first century Jerusalem is the Babylon the great of the book of Revelation.

1) Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 18

If you read Ezekiel chapter 16 you will see that God mentions that Jerusalem prostituted herself to the nations. See how it resembles Revelation chapter 18 as God judges that great prostitute who the kings of the earth commit adultery with. There are many similarities between Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 18.

2) The woman in the wilderness.

In Revelation 12:6 & 12:14 the woman Israel is taken into the wilderness for protection for a set time. We then find a women in the wilderness in Revelation 17:3 sitting on a beast as John is taken into the wilderness to see her. This woman is called the great prostitute. The name on her forehead is

Babylon the great
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth.

If this wasn’t the same woman in Revelation 12 then what happened to the woman in Revelation 12 after the set time?

3) The great city

Babylon the great is called the great city in Revelation 17:18 and Revelation 18:21. Not a great city but the great city. A great city could be one of many cities but the great city could only be one city. Revelation 11:8 says that the great city is the city where our lord was crucified. Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem.

4) 1 Peter 5:13 states she who is in Babylon greets you.

This shows that the saints knew who Babylon was at that time. It has been said that the she in Babylon was the church in Jerusalem where it is believed that Peter lived at that time.

5) The woman dressed in scarlet and gold.

In Revelation 17:4 the woman is dressed in scarlet, gold and precious stones. Jeremiah 4:30 also says that Jerusalem is dressed in scarlet jewels and gold.

6) Your lovers will despise and kill you.

Both Jerusalem in Jeremiah 4:30-31 and Babylon the great in Revelation 17 are killed by her lovers.

Some people believe that Babylon the great will be the city that a future antichrist
known as the beast will rule from. In Revelation 17:16-17 it says that the beast and
the 10 horns will hate the prostitute and bring her to ruin because God had put it into
their hearts to accomplish his purpose. Why would the beast destroy the city or
empire that he rules from? Rome who I believe to be the beast did destroy Jerusalem.

In 70AD Rome did destroy Jerusalem for Gods purpose.

7) The nations will mourn

Jeremiah 4:28 says the earth will mourn at the destruction of Jerusalem. Revelation 18:9,11,15 and 19 all say that the kings, merchants and all who work on the seas will mourn at the destruction of Babylon the great.

8) The cup of Gods wrath

Both Jerusalem and Babylon the great drink the cup of Gods wrath. Isaiah 51:17 & Revelation 16:19

9) A queen and a widow.

In Revelation 18:7 Babylon the great says I sit as queen I will never be a widow. n Jerusalem in Lamentations 1:1-2 is described as a queen who is now a widow. Both Babylon the great and Jerusalem’s friends betray and destroy them.

10) All who have been killed on the earth. This is the most important point.

Revelation 18:20
20 “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
Rejoice, you people of God!
Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
For God has judged her
with the judgment she imposed on you.”

Revelation 18:24
24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

Revelation 18:20 says that Babylon the great killed both the saints and the prophets. Revelation 18:24 says Babylon the great is responsible for all of the blood of the saints and prophets and all that have been killed on the earth.

Only Israel is responsible for killing both the prophets and the saints.

Now read what Jesus said in Matthew 23:35 as he was prophesying about the destruction of Jerusalem

35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Jesus was saying that Jerusalem just like Babylon the great is responsible for and will be judged of all the blood that has been shed on the earth. They must be one and the same. This is prophecy fulfilled.

At the time on Matthew 23:35 the saints where not yet killed. The Jews shortly there after started their persecution of the saints.
 
I believe that the bible tells us that the mystery of Babylon the great is the first century city of Jerusalem.

Is Babylon the great that the book of Revelation talks about really the same Babylon that Isaiah 21 and 47 or Zechariah 2 prophesied about? If so then why is it called mystery Babylon?

Below are 10 points from the bible that show us that first century Jerusalem is the Babylon the great of the book of Revelation.

1) Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 18

If you read Ezekiel chapter 16 you will see that God mentions that Jerusalem prostituted herself to the nations. See how it resembles Revelation chapter 18 as God judges that great prostitute who the kings of the earth commit adultery with. There are many similarities between Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 18.

2) The woman in the wilderness.

In Revelation 12:6 & 12:14 the woman Israel is taken into the wilderness for protection for a set time. We then find a women in the wilderness in Revelation 17:3 sitting on a beast as John is taken into the wilderness to see her. This woman is called the great prostitute. The name on her forehead is

Babylon the great
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth.

If this wasn’t the same woman in Revelation 12 then what happened to the woman in Revelation 12 after the set time?

3) The great city

Babylon the great is called the great city in Revelation 17:18 and Revelation 18:21. Not a great city but the great city. A great city could be one of many cities but the great city could only be one city. Revelation 11:8 says that the great city is the city where our lord was crucified. Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem.

4) 1 Peter 5:13 states she who is in Babylon greets you.

This shows that the saints knew who Babylon was at that time. It has been said that the she in Babylon was the church in Jerusalem where it is believed that Peter lived at that time.

5) The woman dressed in scarlet and gold.

In Revelation 17:4 the woman is dressed in scarlet, gold and precious stones. Jeremiah 4:30 also says that Jerusalem is dressed in scarlet jewels and gold.

6) Your lovers will despise and kill you.

Both Jerusalem in Jeremiah 4:30-31 and Babylon the great in Revelation 17 are killed by her lovers.

Some people believe that Babylon the great will be the city that a future antichrist
known as the beast will rule from. In Revelation 17:16-17 it says that the beast and
the 10 horns will hate the prostitute and bring her to ruin because God had put it into
their hearts to accomplish his purpose. Why would the beast destroy the city or
empire that he rules from? Rome who I believe to be the beast did destroy Jerusalem.

In 70AD Rome did destroy Jerusalem for Gods purpose.

7) The nations will mourn

Jeremiah 4:28 says the earth will mourn at the destruction of Jerusalem. Revelation 18:9,11,15 and 19 all say that the kings, merchants and all who work on the seas will mourn at the destruction of Babylon the great.

8) The cup of Gods wrath

Both Jerusalem and Babylon the great drink the cup of Gods wrath. Isaiah 51:17 & Revelation 16:19

9) A queen and a widow.

In Revelation 18:7 Babylon the great says I sit as queen I will never be a widow. n Jerusalem in Lamentations 1:1-2 is described as a queen who is now a widow. Both Babylon the great and Jerusalem’s friends betray and destroy them.

10) All who have been killed on the earth. This is the most important point.

Revelation 18:20
20 “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
Rejoice, you people of God!
Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
For God has judged her
with the judgment she imposed on you.”

Revelation 18:24
24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

Revelation 18:20 says that Babylon the great killed both the saints and the prophets. Revelation 18:24 says Babylon the great is responsible for all of the blood of the saints and prophets and all that have been killed on the earth.

Only Israel is responsible for killing both the prophets and the saints.

Now read what Jesus said in Matthew 23:35 as he was prophesying about the destruction of Jerusalem

35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Jesus was saying that Jerusalem just like Babylon the great is responsible for and will be judged of all the blood that has been shed on the earth. They must be one and the same. This is prophecy fulfilled.

At the time on Matthew 23:35 the saints where not yet killed. The Jews shortly there after started their persecution of the saints.
Hi Marty,

1. Rev. 18 is the mother of prostitutes over all the world. Ez. 16 is not over all the nations.

2. Rev. 12 woman, Israel. The Lord saved her and appeared unto them. (Zech. 12: 7 - 10)

3. Many cities are called `great city.`

4. Babylon is a place in Iraq.

5. Jerusalem still is not the mother of prostitutes over all the nations.

6. The city is not destroyed by the 10 kings, only the religious part. It is God that deals with the city. (Rev. 18: 17)

7. The nations mourn the economic aspect of the city.

8. Many drink the cup of God`s wrath.

9. Jerusalem is a cup of trembling. it does not have `friends` in the trib.

10. Jerusalem wasn`t even built when Abel was killed.
 
Hi Marty,

1. Rev. 18 is the mother of prostitutes over all the world. Ez. 16 is not over all the nations.

2. Rev. 12 woman, Israel. The Lord saved her and appeared unto them. (Zech. 12: 7 - 10)

3. Many cities are called `great city.`

4. Babylon is a place in Iraq.

5. Jerusalem still is not the mother of prostitutes over all the nations.

6. The city is not destroyed by the 10 kings, only the religious part. It is God that deals with the city. (Rev. 18: 17)

7. The nations mourn the economic aspect of the city.

8. Many drink the cup of God`s wrath.

9. Jerusalem is a cup of trembling. it does not have `friends` in the trib.

10. Jerusalem wasn`t even built when Abel was killed.
Thanks for your reply Marilyn. I did address some of your points in the OP maybe read over it again

For example of course Babylon wasn’t built when Able was killed but even Jesus said that Jerusalem will receive the wrath of Abel’s death just like Babylon the great will.

There are many great cities in the bible but only one “The great city“ and the bible ties it to Babylon the great and Jerusalem

What I did here is tie 10 points biblically directly to both Jerusalem and Babylon the great
 
Babylon was a code word for Rome or the pagan Roman Empire
 
Thanks for your reply Marilyn. I did address some of your points in the OP maybe read over it again

For example of course Babylon wasn’t built when Able was killed but even Jesus said that Jerusalem will receive the wrath of Abel’s death just like Babylon the great will.

There are many great cities in the bible but only one “The great city“ and the bible ties it to Babylon the great and Jerusalem

What I did here is tie 10 points biblically directly to both Jerusalem and Babylon the great
Thank you. Yes I read it better this time and as you said the blood of Abel etc was attributed to Jerusalem. However, it is the city in Rev. 17 & 18 that is responsible for killing ALL the slain on the earth. (Rev. 18: 24) Big difference there.

The Bible mentions two great cities, it is just you are making them one.
 
Thank you. Yes I read it better this time and as you said the blood of Abel etc was attributed to Jerusalem. However, it is the city in Rev. 17 & 18 that is responsible for killing ALL the slain on the earth. (Rev. 18: 24) Big difference there.

The Bible mentions two great cities, it is just you are making them one.

No Jesus Himself tied them together. He gave both the Olivit Discourse and Revelation
 
I believe that the bible tells us that the mystery of Babylon the great is the first century city of Jerusalem.
(y) Yep. I completely agree.
 
No Jesus Himself tied them together. He gave both the Olivit Discourse and Revelation

You said -
Jesus was saying that Jerusalem just like Babylon the great is responsible for and will be judged of all the blood that has been shed on the earth. They must be one and the same. This is prophecy fulfilled.

So, what about ALL the people who died from other nation`s at war, (if you are saying before 70 AD)? Is Jerusalem responsible for ALL of those?
 
You said -
Jesus was saying that Jerusalem just like Babylon the great is responsible for and will be judged of all the blood that has been shed on the earth. They must be one and the same. This is prophecy fulfilled.

So, what about ALL the people who died from other nation`s at war, (if you are saying before 70 AD)? Is Jerusalem responsible for ALL of those?
What I am meaning and what Jesus said is that Babylon the great will receive the wrath of God for all that had been killed since Able until then not that they actually did it
 
What I am meaning and what Jesus said is that Babylon the great will receive the wrath of God for all that had been killed since Able until then not that they actually did it
That`s not God`s justice. It is the world`s system that is under the evil one and it is that that will be judged.
 
That`s not God`s justice. It is the world`s system that is under the evil one and it is that that will be judged.

Well take that up with Jessus as He is the one who spoke these verses

Rev 15
24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

Matthew 23
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]”

But of course people still people still have consequences to their own sins
 
Well take that up with Jessus as He is the one who spoke these verses

Rev 15
24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

Matthew 23
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]”

But of course people still people still have consequences to their own sins
You will notice the difference between `all who have been slaughtered & just the `all the righteous blood.` (I put them in bold)
 
You will notice the difference between `all who have been slaughtered & just the `all the righteous blood.` (I put them in bold)
What is the subject of this op?
 
Every person who has died has either been righteous or unrighteous have they not?
Yes, and Satan`s whore (false religion) is responsible not Jerusalem. (Rev. 17)

Rev. 18: 24 says `AND OF ALL who were slain on the earth.` Notice the AND.
 
Yes, and Satan`s whore (false religion) is responsible not Jerusalem. (Rev. 17)

Rev. 18: 24 says `AND OF ALL who were slain on the earth.` Notice the AND.
Yes it’s not saying that they killed everyone just that the wrath of everyone killed will come upon her
 
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