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Where is Hell?

Arial

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Scripture speaks of the new heaven and the new earth at the consummation with Christ's return and God dwelling with us. In Rev 21 it describes an earth where there is no sin, no evil, no sorrow, sickness or death and no unregenerate people.


If hell is a literal place, and I believe it is since Jesus speaks of it as being as literal as heaven, and he discusses hell even more than he does heaven---where is it?
 
Scripture speaks of the new heaven and the new earth at the consummation with Christ's return and God dwelling with us. In Rev 21 it describes an earth where there is no sin, no evil, no sorrow, sickness or death and no unregenerate people.


If hell is a literal place, and I believe it is since Jesus speaks of it as being as literal as heaven, and he discusses hell even more than he does heaven---where is it?
I don't think the new heavens and new earth are very like this one, but without sin. I think this one is like them, though not very much. The new earth and heavens are not patterned after this one, but this one after them, I think.

By, "literal", then, I think they are in some way the difference between life and death we experience in regeneration, and even more, in our resurrection and glorification. Now, to me, a literal hell is not necessarily 'within' either this heaven and earth, nor in what is to come. I don't think we know enough to say that it is. God knows.

It is a rather intriguing speculation, that it may be the very 'burning purity' of God himself, that IS the hell that the reprobate go through, each according to the specifics of their sins, tormenting them. But it is speculation.

We speak in terms of a place, because that is what the Bible sounds like it is saying. But I'm not so convinced that what we conceive of as "a place" is quite adequate, anymore than I'm convinced that the New Heavens and New Earth are physical in the same sense that we experience here in this temporal order.

We look at everything backwards.
 
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Scripture speaks of the new heaven and the new earth at the consummation with Christ's return and God dwelling with us. In Rev 21 it describes an earth where there is no sin, no evil, no sorrow, sickness or death and no unregenerate people.


If hell is a literal place, and I believe it is since Jesus speaks of it as being as literal as heaven, and he discusses hell even more than he does heaven---where is it?
Its within Creation
 
If hell is a literal place, and I believe it is since Jesus speaks of it as being as literal as heaven, and he discusses hell even more than he does heaven---where is it?
The gate is near Caesarea Philippi ( 25 miles [40 km] north of the Sea of Galilee at the base of Mt. Hermon). ;)
 
The gate is near Caesarea Philippi ( 25 miles [40 km] north of the Sea of Galilee at the base of Mt. Hermon).
🤔 ... might be a great source of Geothermal Energy which would lessen our carbon footprint
 
🤔 ... might be a great source of Geothermal Energy which would lessen our carbon footprint
There's always a trade-off. You know the denizens aren't going to export energy without some kind of compensation. And besides, where's the smokestack? What's it going to be doing?
 
There's always a trade-off. You know the denizens aren't going to export energy without some kind of compensation. And besides, where's the smokestack? What's it going to be doing?
Hmmm, good points. I hadn't consider them. 🤔
 
I don't think physical Hell/Lake of Fire is necessarily of a temporal physical nature. We look at everything backwards.
 
I don't think physical Hell/Lake of Fire is necessarily of a temporal physical nature. We look at everything backwards.
When you say "we" look at everything backwards do you mean everyone? And how is recognizing a truth, whatever that may be, from the position of our existence automatically looking at it backwards? That is once again essentially saying that the revelation God gives us in his word is irrelevant---disconnecting the effect from the cause.
 
When you say "we" look at everything backwards do you mean everyone? And how is recognizing a truth, whatever that may be, from the position of our existence automatically looking at it backwards? That is once again essentially saying that the revelation God gives us in his word is irrelevant---disconnecting the effect from the cause.
@Arial says, "That is once again essentially saying that the revelation God gives us in his word is irrelevant---disconnecting the effect from the cause."

No. It is not. That's like saying that I believe there is no relevance to the practical facts of Sanctification, or worse, to Redemption itself! It doesn't work down to that. I have to think that somehow I'm just not getting my point across.

We do, and must, and should, see the temporal facts, proscriptions and prescriptions, obey within time, and so on. But the fact that the temporal language of Scripture may also be "spiritually discerned", should already give us a hint, (though by, "spiritually discerned", I don't mean that "spiritual discernment" is not also applicable in/to temporal things.)

But by "We see everything backwards", I refer to many things, such as the fact that GOD is the center and causer of all FACT—this is about HIM, not us, not the universe— and that the eternal things are not patterned after our use of words/terms he writes into scripture, but this temporal patterned after the solid eternal facts. (E.g: Our gold is a poor imitation of the real thing. Our fathers hardly compare. Our bodies need glorified—our "physical" is a vapor by comparison— even possibly, time is patterned after logical sequences decreed, etc.) That I can't speak of the eternal except by temporal terminology doesn't impinge on the fact (or so I suppose) of the eternal not being according to time.

"We see everything backwards" shows up in awful fashion with the synergistic views of life, as though we have something to add to God's work.

And still, though I insist there is something to, "We see everything backwards", —particularly that God is not like us and his thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways are not our ways—I happily admit to some degree of conjecture and supposition. Yet, I insist that there is more than what we suppose, concerning the afterlife, that is in some way(s) unrelated to time-as-we(here)-know-it, for both God, and for those who have died. And I think you have admitted the same, as has @John Bauer .

And so, I think that the dead do not experience time until the resurrection. They die, and are resurrected. And if there is an intermediate state—even if they are in some way conscious of it—it still does not mean passage of time-as-we-know-it. Cain (if he is in some intermediate state), will not have his tongue burning longer than Hitler. Or so I see things. BUT, I happily admit I could be wrong.

I think that hell/LOF may exist in some state that is not physical in quite the sense we are familiar with. We don't know God's ways well enough to say it is. BUT, I happily admit I could be wrong.

I think the tapestry of which you have written is much richer and deeper a sculpting than a two-dimensional wall-hanging of only 10 million colors.
 
Hell and Lake of Fire as real as heaven
—Depending on what you mean by 'real'. This temporal life is real, but a mere vapor in comparison with the eternal. That hell/LOF is eternal fact does not render it the same status of God's particular purpose in creating, as Heaven enjoys.
 
—Depending on what you mean by 'real'. This temporal life is real, but a mere vapor in comparison with the eternal. That hell/LOF is eternal fact does not render it the same status of God's particular purpose in creating, as Heaven enjoys.
Still existing though
 
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