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What is Heresy?

Brings to mind what I heard somewhere, that worshiping God is not worship by adding words to what God says about himself. But yes indeed!, if one uses God's words about himself to teach what God did not mean — — —well....
I do think God expects us to reason from His revelation. That's why the science of exegesis was developed. To the degree an exegesis is consistent sound doctrine is developed. Errors creep in wherever exegesis lack consistency. When such errors reach the point of concluding in a position irreconcilable with what is already explicitly stated then that is heresy.
 
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Not long after my conversion, I was not only surprised, but also a bit discouraged,
to discover that the Bible's original manuscripts no longer exist; and that the best
that scholars have to work with are hand-written copies of hand-written copies; so I
think we have to concede that 2Tim 3:16 no longer applies the way it once did in
Paul's day.
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My topic is a Christian topic. Please don't use it to teach against the faith of the OP author/creator.

It's just impolite.
 
Can I have your Autograph? ~ by ReverendRV * February 11

2nd Peter 1:20-21 KJV
; Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

One of an Atheist’s biggest objections is that Christianity doesn’t have the Original writings of the Holy men who were moved by God back in the Old time. These are called the original ‘Autographs’; they have faded away over time, turning to dust. What Christianity does have are multiple copies of the originals. You object, “Yes, but those copies have SO many errors! How can we know what the Holy men really said?” ~ My daughter and I have a game where I tell her “I Love you more” and she always says “No”. If I wrote her a one page letter with ‘I Love you more’ in it; and hand copied it Ten times, errors could’ve been made. If the original was lost but only one copy changed the ‘I’ to ‘You’, a different copy changed ‘Love’ to ‘hate’, and another copy only changed the word ‘you’ to ‘me’, and the last copy changed the word ‘more’ to ‘less’; can we be sure we have the Original, based on the Six correct copies of ‘I Love you more’? ~ Textual Criticism says yes. Using this method, we are certain we have the Original Bible…

Because of other reasons which would take up too much space on a one page Gospel Tract, we’re sure the Bible is the Word of God. Therefore we’re certain we know what God wants from us. ~ Have you ever told a Lie? What do you call people that Lie? Your Version of your Self is a mistranslation; you’re a Liar. Have you ever stolen anything? Don’t try and evade, it just popped into your head; God can read you like a book and find all your errors. What do you call people that Steal? Correcting your Auto Biography means it now says you’re a Lying Thief; right? Have you ever had a different god other than the God of the Bible? If you never dreamed that God would critically judge the Text of your Life with his original Autograph, then you have had another god; one that suits yourself. ~ These were four of the Ten Commandments, if God judged you by his standard, would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Does this bother you?? If it does, know that there is a way of escape to safety…

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life! God came from Heaven to become the man Jesus Christ for the purpose of living a Holy, Sinless life. Jesus gained a good record of keeping the Ten Commandments and this was his Righteousness; but God made him who knew no Sin to be sin on our behalf, so we would become the Righteousness of God in Him. He shed his blood, died on the Cross, was buried but arose from the dead on the third day. We’re Saved by the Grace of God through Faith in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ, not thru Meritorious Works lest we should boast. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as Lord and join a Biblical Church. ~ Ask the Holy men of Old if you can have their Autographs and you’ll have them…

John 3:15 KJV; That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
 
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My topic is a Christian topic.

I am a born-again Christian man, and have been since 1968 when, at 24 years of
age, I converted from Catholicism to Protestantism. Since that time I've undergone
57 years of Sunday school classes, seminars, sermons, accredited authors, and
radio Bible teachers.


Please don't use it to teach against the faith of the OP author/creator.

To my knowledge, Christ Centered Community is basically a public square where
folks may voice their opinions without fear of being silenced by Orwellian thought
police. In other words; you have to expect that your beliefs will be openly
challenged by honest folks who sincerely disagree with you. It's not impolite, rather,
it's business as usual on just about every internet forum I've been on the past 28
years since going online back in 1997.
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It's not impolite, rather,
it's business as usual on just about every internet forum I've been on the past 28
years since going online back in 1997.
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Are you on topic? Or are you off topic promoting an anti trinitarian agenda?

I am on an apologetics ministry asking for responsea that directly and only respond to the specific questions posed in the OP, and suddenly your having an off topic event.

I'm simply asking for the intention of the OP which was clearly stated more than once to be respected and observed.
 
makesends said:
Brings to mind what I heard somewhere, that worshiping God is not worship by adding words to what God says about himself. But yes indeed!, if one uses God's words about himself to teach what God did not mean — — —well....
I do think God expects us to reason from His revelation. That's why the science of exegesis was developed. To the degree an exegesis is consistent sound doctrine is developed. Errors creep in wherever exegesis lack consistency. When such errors reach the point of concluding in a position irreconcilable with what is already explicitly stated then that is heresy.
I misquoted, my bad. I don't have the exact words, but it has something to do with "—improving what God says about himself, with man's notions, does not improve worship."
 
I'm asking this in earnest, not as a critique but out of genuine curiosity. I’ve spent a lot of time over the last few years trying to sort out what actually constitutes Christian belief, and in that process I’ve written off quite a bit as “not Christian.” So I want to be thoughtful in how I evaluate things going forward now that I am sure of home.

As many probably already know (and has been pointed out) Dispensational premillennialism is not typically treated as a heresy, even if it's in opposition to a classical doctrine. That got me wondering:

Are there other issues—especially ones that might appear more peripheral to some—that would actually be considered heterodox or even heretical by historic, conservative Christian standards?

For instance:

  • The ordination of women as pastors, elders, or deacons
  • The acceptance of homosexual marriages

Would either of those positions be seen as heretical? Or are they generally considered secondary issues that fall within the bounds of orthodoxy as long as someone affirms core creeds like the Trinity, the resurrection, and salvation through Christ?

I guess what I’m really asking is: How do we rightly discern what marks the boundaries of the church’s teaching? How do we evaluate the visible church when serious disagreements exist over things that touch on moral and ecclesial order?

Again, I'm not trying to stir controversy—I truly want to understand how to think through these matters.
Its a deniel of essentials of the Christian Faith, God is a trinity, Jesus died and was physically resurrection, second coming still to come etc
 
I'm asking this in earnest, not as a critique but out of genuine curiosity. I’ve spent a lot of time over the last few years trying to sort out what actually constitutes Christian belief, and in that process I’ve written off quite a bit as “not Christian.” So I want to be thoughtful in how I evaluate things going forward now that I am sure of home.

As many probably already know (and has been pointed out) Dispensational premillennialism is not typically treated as a heresy, even if it's in opposition to a classical doctrine. That got me wondering:

Are there other issues—especially ones that might appear more peripheral to some—that would actually be considered heterodox or even heretical by historic, conservative Christian standards?

For instance:

  • The ordination of women as pastors, elders, or deacons
  • The acceptance of homosexual marriages

Would either of those positions be seen as heretical? Or are they generally considered secondary issues that fall within the bounds of orthodoxy as long as someone affirms core creeds like the Trinity, the resurrection, and salvation through Christ?

I guess what I’m really asking is: How do we rightly discern what marks the boundaries of the church’s teaching? How do we evaluate the visible church when serious disagreements exist over things that touch on moral and ecclesial order?

Again, I'm not trying to stir controversy—I truly want to understand how to think through these matters.
Heresy seems to be defined as holding to a view on essentials of the faith that would deny their truth, primary doctrines such as deity of Jesus, God is Trinity saved by Jesus Cross and His resurrection period, Second Coming, Bible as inspired from and of God etc
 
I would say heresy is
Denying the deity of Christ Jesus.
Denying the virgin birth.
Denying Christ Jesus perfect sinless life.
Denying the death of Christ Jesus.
Denying the resurrection of Christ Jesus.
Heresy is teaching/doctrine in disagreement with Biblical teaching/doctrine.
 
As while different views on say timing of Second Coming are valid, if one held to full blown pretierism and state already has happened, that would be heresy, or holding to different Baptist modes valid, but if add MUST be a certain mode, say in the name of Jesus only, would be heresy
 
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