What do Calvinist believe

[Hobie]

I turned on the radio on the way to a meeting and a program on questions and answers on the Bible, and the moderator introduced a prestigious professor/theologian who was going to answer the questions of the callers. The calls came in and the questions were very interesting on numerous subjects and the answers given. After a number of questions that he answered, there came one on what happens to those who go to heaven and the answer shocked me. He stated everyone was going to be given eternal life and then went on to say 'I am a Calvinist and doesn't hold to the Arminian view' and went on about predestination and that the wicked will continue as well as the 'saved' and get eternal life and gave this verse of proof.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Is this what Calvinist believe, that the wicked will get eternal life and not the wages of sin. Can someone give an explanation of what he was articulating on the Calvinist view.

 

[fastfredy0]

In Reformed (Calvinist) theology, the destiny of the reprobate—those not elected by God to salvation—is eternal condemnation after death. Here’s how the view is usually expressed:

1.​

The reprobate are consigned to hell after the final judgment. This is understood as eternal separation from God’s favor, presence of blessing, and saving grace. Instead of communion with Christ, they experience His wrath.

• Westminster Confession of Faith 33.2:
  “The wicked, who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord…”

2.
The punishment is not annihilation but conscious, everlasting suffering. Reformed theologians argue this is taught in passages like Matthew 25:46 (“And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life”) and Revelation 14:11 (“the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night”).

3. In Calvinist thought, the reprobate’s destiny magnifies God’s justice and holiness, just as the elect’s destiny magnifies His mercy and grace.​

• Romans 9:22–23 is key: God endured “vessels of wrath prepared for destruction” in order to make known the riches of His glory for “vessels of mercy.”

4. There is no second chance after death. The Reformed reject ideas like post-mortem conversion, purgatory, or universal reconciliation. Hebrews 9:27 (“it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment”) is central.

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Summary:
In Reformed theology, the reprobate after death face eternal, conscious punishment in hell, justly ordained by God as part of His eternal decree, demonstrating His holiness and justice.

ChatGPT

 

[ElectedbyHim]

The Judgment at Christ's Coming
2Th 1:5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
2Th 1:6 Since it is right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
2Th 1:7 and to give rest to you who are afflicted and to us as well at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,
2Th 1:8 executing vengeance on those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2Th 1:9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, AWAY FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS MIGHT,
2Th 1:10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our witness to you was believed.
2Th 1:11 To this end also we pray for you always, that our God will count you worthy of your calling, and fulfill all your good pleasure for goodness and the work of faith with power,
2Th 1:12 so that the name of our Lord Jesus will be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[CrowCross]

I turned on the radio on the way to a meeting and a program on questions and answers on the Bible, and the moderator introduced a prestigious professor/theologian who was going to answer the questions of the callers. The calls came in and the questions were very interesting on numerous subjects and the answers given. After a number of questions that he answered, there came one on what happens to those who go to heaven and the answer shocked me. He stated everyone was going to be given eternal life and then went on to say 'I am a Calvinist and doesn't hold to the Arminian view' and went on about predestination and that the wicked will continue as well as the 'saved' and get eternal life and gave this verse of proof.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Is this what Calvinist believe, that the wicked will get eternal life and not the wages of sin. Can someone give an explanation of what he was articulating on the Calvinist view.

Who was the "prestigious professor/theologian"?

 

[Hobie]

In Reformed (Calvinist) theology, the destiny of the reprobate—those not elected by God to salvation—is eternal condemnation after death. Here’s how the view is usually expressed:

1.​

The reprobate are consigned to hell after the final judgment. This is understood as eternal separation from God’s favor, presence of blessing, and saving grace. Instead of communion with Christ, they experience His wrath.

• Westminster Confession of Faith 33.2:
  “The wicked, who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord…”

2.
The punishment is not annihilation but conscious, everlasting suffering. Reformed theologians argue this is taught in passages like Matthew 25:46 (“And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life”) and Revelation 14:11 (“the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night”).

3. In Calvinist thought, the reprobate’s destiny magnifies God’s justice and holiness, just as the elect’s destiny magnifies His mercy and grace.​

• Romans 9:22–23 is key: God endured “vessels of wrath prepared for destruction” in order to make known the riches of His glory for “vessels of mercy.”

4. There is no second chance after death. The Reformed reject ideas like post-mortem conversion, purgatory, or universal reconciliation. Hebrews 9:27 (“it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment”) is central.

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Summary:
In Reformed theology, the reprobate after death face eternal, conscious punishment in hell, justly ordained by God as part of His eternal decree, demonstrating His holiness and justice.

ChatGPT

Yes, but he said the reprobate/wicked get eternal life straight out then went on to talk about the saved getting the gift of eternal life from Christ and immediately I knew that was against all that Christ and His Word states, no question. So this is not what Christians hold as their core value and the wicked are destroyed when the lake of fire separates them from God, as there is nowhere in the universe they can go that God is not there. So thus they are separated from life and they and sin are gone from the universe....

 

[Hobie]

Who was the "prestigious professor/theologian"?

I am checking to see if I can find out as I had a meeting so had to park and go to it...

 

[makesends]

I turned on the radio on the way to a meeting and a program on questions and answers on the Bible, and the moderator introduced a prestigious professor/theologian who was going to answer the questions of the callers. The calls came in and the questions were very interesting on numerous subjects and the answers given. After a number of questions that he answered, there came one on what happens to those who go to heaven and the answer shocked me. He stated everyone was going to be given eternal life and then went on to say 'I am a Calvinist and doesn't hold to the Arminian view' and went on about predestination and that the wicked will continue as well as the 'saved' and get eternal life and gave this verse of proof.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Is this what Calvinist believe, that the wicked will get eternal life and not the wages of sin. Can someone give an explanation of what he was articulating on the Calvinist view.

On another forum site I have heard someone who pretends/claims to be a Calvinist, that is also a universalist. He has various reasons for thinking so, but that isn't one of them, except possibly as a means by which God's promise to Abraham is fulfilled.

Did you get any sense by which the host reasoned 'everlasting destruction' results in, or equates to, 'eternal life'?

 

[Hobie]

On another forum site I have heard someone who pretends/claims to be a Calvinist, that is also a universalist. He has various reasons for thinking so, but that isn't one of them, except possibly as a means by which God's promise to Abraham is fulfilled.

Did you get any sense by which the host reasoned 'everlasting destruction' results in, or equates to, 'eternal life'?

Well the host was taking the questions coming in and presenting them to him, and the professor/theologian was presented as well learned with many titles on his status or roles and was doing a reasonable job answering questions. He fielded one that stood out on my mind, on what was meant by 'baptizing for the dead' that Paul has in 1 Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 15:29
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

He answered that its not clear what Paul meant by 'baptized for the dead', but his point was that the dead rise and that it may have been something that was done in that area, and Paul used it. So I thought well he seems to know his Bible, and he answered several more until he gets to the one on what happens to those going to heaven, and out of the blue he starts with these statements that everyone going to receive eternal life. Then goes on to make the statement, 'I am a Calvinist and don't hold to the Arminian view', and I was startled to say the least and then he went on to use the idea of predestination and that led to how God has chosen the saved, which made me think how some he thought the saints were already chosen to be saved and yet he was allowing that the wicked would also be saved, didnt make any sense.

He was using several text to hold on to that Gods will for all is that they be saved such as..

1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

And went on how he was a 'Calvinist' as if that was what they believed, so I was very perplexed for the most part on his answer.

 

[makesends]

Well the host was taking the questions coming in and presenting them to him, and the professor/theologian was presented as well learned with many titles on his status or roles and was doing a reasonable job answering questions. He fielded one that stood out on my mind, on what was meant by 'baptizing for the dead' that Paul has in 1 Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 15:29
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

He answered that its not clear what Paul meant by 'baptized for the dead', but his point was that the dead rise and that it may have been something that was done in that area, and Paul used it. So I thought well he seems to know his Bible, and he answered several more until he gets to the one on what happens to those going to heaven, and out of the blue he starts with these statements that everyone going to receive eternal life. Then goes on to make the statement, 'I am a Calvinist and don't hold to the Arminian view', and I was startled to say the least and then he went on to use the idea of predestination and that led to how God has chosen the saved, which made me think how some he thought the saints were already chosen to be saved and yet he was allowing that the wicked would also be saved, didnt make any sense.

He was using several text to hold on to that Gods will for all is that they be saved such as..

1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

And went on how he was a 'Calvinist' as if that was what they believed, so I was very perplexed for the most part on his answer.

Yeah, I wouldn't call that a Calvinistic POV, even. Definitely not a Calvinist tenet.

 

[Hobie]

Yeah, I wouldn't call that a Calvinistic POV, even. Definitely not a Calvinist tenet.

Thank you for the clarification as it left me a bit stunned.