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Welcome - Just The Facts

I am reposting this because I genuinely would like an answer (with emphasis added):

For many years I was a member of Calvary Chapel in several states. … God has proven to me that he was with me. …

It sounds, to me, like you were once a member of a local church but not anymore. But you didn't answer why you left nor how long ago.
 
I am reposting this because I genuinely would like an answer (with emphasis added):
I'm not sure why you are so interested in my Church attendance--isn't eternal life about a relationship with Jesus that matters? Regardless, I'll waste some time and give you some background.

The last two local churches I attended was between 2021-2023. The experience with the first large Calvary Chapel did not go well when I requested someone on staff to discuss my findings with me. I was rejected and shown the door because Calvary like every other Church has their theology that they subscribe too. If you object to a Church's theology, you are shown the door.

I found another large Calvary Chapel nearby and the first six weeks I attended were messages from Galatians. The sermon was twisted each week to get into people's pockets even though I couldn't see the connection between giving to that Church and Paul's words on at least two of those occasions. Apparently they did. As I started discussing my findings with the senior pastor and pastors that reported to him, I caught one of them in a lie. I brought it up to the senior pastor's attention and the pastor was let go, but needless to say I wasn't welcome there anymore.
 
I'm not sure why you are so interested in my church attendance …

Because it tells us something about you—in this case, your spiritual life—which is what the Introduce Yourself forum is all about. If someone has never attended a local church, if someone is a member in good standing, if someone occasionally attends a number of different churches but isn't a member of any, and so on, that gives us a sense about the person.


Isn't eternal life about a relationship with Jesus that matters?

Yes, but that doesn't mean nothing else matters.


Regardless, I'll waste some time and give you some background.

For what it's worth, to say that answering someone's question is a waste of time is condescending and insulting. It is uncalled for, even if it really is a waste.


… requested someone on staff to discuss my findings with me. … started discussing my findings …

What were these "findings" you insisted on bringing up? Is that the "widespread corruption and fraud throughout the history of the church" you mentioned earlier?
 
Because it tells us something about you—in this case, your spiritual life—which is what the Introduce Yourself forum is all about. If someone has never attended a local church, if someone is a member in good standing, if someone occasionally attends a number of different churches but isn't a member of any, and so on, that gives us a sense about the person.
Yep. Nearly a thirty year member of Calvary Chapel at different locations because we've moved several times. I'm very disappointed in the last two locations.
Yes, but that doesn't mean nothing else matters.
It's number one on my list.
For what it's worth, to say that answering someone's question is a waste of time is condescending and insulting. It is uncalled for, even if it really is a waste.
It was a snide remark because someone else ripped me for providing background info that I gave to introduce myself and help explain why I am doing this work, and the qualifications that I have for doing what I'm doing.
What were these "findings" you insisted on bringing up? Is that the "widespread corruption and fraud throughout the history of the church" you mentioned earlier?
I'll summarize it with the following:
First, Jesus warned his designated eyewitnesses about future false teachers:

Jesus, answering, began to tell them, "Be careful that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am he!' and will lead many astray.” (Mark 13:5-6)

MANY will come claiming to be Jesus and MANY will be led astray. Jesus has told us that the future of his church is in jeopardy because it will be infested with false teachers.

At first, I thought it strange that Jesus would warn his trusted eyewitnesses about being led astray. The inner circle disciples witnessed Jesus’ transfiguration when Jesus appeared with Moses and Ezekiel. In addition, they witnessed Jesus’ healing and performing other miracles such as feeding thousands from a small portion of bread and fish and raising dead people back to life. John even validated that after the disciples witnessed Jesus resurrected, they had unwavering belief in Jesus:

When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he said this, and they believed THE SCRIPTURE AND THE WORD WHICH JESUS HAD SAID. (John 2:22)

The disciples witnessed miracles and thought Jesus was likely the Messiah, but after they witnessed him resurrected, any doubts they had went away. How could these men who witnessed Jesus’ resurrected possibly be misled by false teachers? Then I read the following words written by John and I realized what Jesus meant:

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. (1 John 2:18-19)

Jesus wasn’t warning his Church leaders about losing their faith and belief in him, Jesus was telling them they would fail as managers. The only way the disciples could be led astray was through failing as leaders of the early CJC. And fail they did, just as Jesus warned, they were led astray.

The four chosen disciples were fishermen who didn’t have the experience nor foresight to start the biggest enterprise ever to exist—the Church. John stated that they selected replacements and successors, but “none of them belonged to us.” The men the disciples chose to replace them as leaders in the beginning Church were ALL false teachers. John doesn’t tell us there was one, or even a few false teachers, he told us they were ALL false teachers. John did not describe the infiltration of false teachers into the CJC, he described a coup—a total takeover. The disciples were led astray by smooth talking false teachers who weren’t interested in spreading the Good News of Jesus, they were interested in spreading their religion for their own benefit.
 
The disciples were led astray by smooth talking false teachers who weren’t interested in spreading the Good News of Jesus, they were interested in spreading their religion for their own benefit.

Herman Bavinck says as follows:

“Those who make their doctrine of Scripture dependent on historical research into its origination and structure have already begun to reject Scripture’s self-testimony and therefore no longer believe that Scripture. They think it better to build up the doctrine of Scripture on the foundation of their own research than by believingly deriving it from Scripture itself


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Herman Bavinck, Reformed Dogmatics: Prolegomena (Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 2003), 425.



Just a heads up, but I posted this because you are rejecting Scripture based on your own desires. The Holy Spirit testified to your Spirit that there's nothing wrong with the text of Hebrews but you won't accept two verses from it..

We are Christian because we believe Christ as our Lord and Savior and our witness to this fact is Scripture. We are people of faith, and our faith is by God's Grace given.

When you seek His Face in the Scriptures, you curl up with God, not with yourself. When you are at the center, you blind yourself to what HE has to say.
 
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Herman Bavinck, Reformed Dogmatics: Prolegomena (Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 2003), 425.

Is Herman Bavinck reading the same words that I am?
Just a heads up, but I posted this because you are rejecting Scripture based on your own desires. The Holy Spirit testified to your Spirit that there's nothing wrong with the text of Hebrews but you won't accept two verses from it..
I think what I actually said was that we don't know who authored Hebrews so how can we claim it is the word of God? I can't find any words of the prophets or Jesus that tell me I should change my mind. But then again, I added that I didn't disagree with what that author wrote. Please get the facts straight.
We are Christian because we believe Christ as our Lord and Savior and our witness to this fact is Scripture. We are people of faith, and our faith is by God's Grace given.

When you seek His Face in the Scriptures, you curl up with God, not with yourself. When you are at the center, you blind yourself to what HE has to say.
I agree with you.

Why do you reject the word of God to believe that Hebrews is the word of God (more than just words from an inspired pastor or Church leader)?
 
Is Herman Bavinck reading the same words that I am?

I think what I actually said was that we don't know who authored Hebrews so how can we claim it is the word of God? I

What demons did you see in your trip to hell who told you the Church has been misled for 2,000 years and now only you know the truth and are charged with setting the children of God straight in their theology since until you showed up apparently no one has been available?

On the other hand, Paul testifies to the truth of Jesus Christ and expounds beautifly upon Old Testament Scripture as to how Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant and began the New Covenant in His Blood...

Paul had an excellent grasp on Scripture (Law, Prophets, Psalms and Wisdom) far exceeding yours that not only the disciples confirmed during their lifetimes as being sent from God, but so do scholars for 1900 years - not just the church of Rome. It's a much larger church than that, and always has been.

There's more evidence that the Bible is true and as accurately represented now than it was then, than there is evidence for anything else of that era. We have both internal and external evidence for Scripture.

So yes, like my faith in Christ I also have faith that the:

"Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They reported supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claimed that their writings are divine rather than human in origin" --- Dr. Voddie Baucham

And I know I have not gone wrong because I mixed it with reason and not ego.
 
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. (1 John 2:18-19)

Jesus wasn’t warning his Church leaders about losing their faith and belief in him, Jesus was telling them they would fail as managers. The only way the disciples could be led astray was through failing as leaders of the early CJC. And fail they did, just as Jesus warned, they were led astray.

The four chosen disciples were fishermen who didn’t have the experience nor foresight to start the biggest enterprise ever to exist—the Church. John stated that they selected replacements and successors, but “none of them belonged to us.” The men the disciples chose to replace them as leaders in the beginning Church were ALL false teachers. John doesn’t tell us there was one, or even a few false teachers, he told us they were ALL false teachers. John did not describe the infiltration of false teachers into the CJC, he described a coup—a total takeover. The disciples were led astray by smooth talking false teachers who weren’t interested in spreading the Good News of Jesus, they were interested in spreading their religion for their own benefit.
Your conclusion is a leap completely lacking in faith.

Who was John writing to in 1 John? A specific group of people who are believers.
Why is he writing it to them? The internal evidence shows that it was a warning about a particular teaching that was trying to come into the church. (4:2,3). The teaching was that Christ only appeared to be human, so that there was no real incarnation and no divine Savior who was able to die for sinners. He only appeared to die. This teaching (docetism) is known from early Christian history.

So who is it that "went out from us" in 2:19? Those false teachers and it would apply to any false teachers or teaching. Who are the "us" the true church of Christ and its teachings as given by who? the apostles with Jesus as the chief cornerstone. What does it mean that they went out from us? Either they left that particular congregation, or the false teaching itself was "out" from the foundation laid by the Apostles. I would say definitely the latter and probably both.

So where is your expert analysis and evidence of fraud in your investigation that shows John was inditing all the other apostles as false teachers?


In my humble opinion, someone who tries to undermine the entire Bible as being the word of God and claims that the writers of the NT epistles are all false teachers, is a false teacher himself. You are dealing on this forum, as opposed to the many allowed free rein on most other forums, with people who are trained to discern what is good and evil, and that from doing the work from the word of God, using proper exegesis and proper biblical hermeneutics, and study, study, study of the word. And that with the motive and desire of knowing God and seeking his truth, and glorifying him. None have reached perfection yet, or ever will this side of the consummation, and none have completely overcome all yielding to the flesh instead of the Spirit in conversations. But we do recognize the truth from a lie.
 
What demons did you see in your trip to hell who told you
I didn't see demons, just experienced what hell was like. I tell people they don't want to go there. I did sense the presence of God, but it wasn't with me.

the Church has been misled for 2,000 years and now only you know the truth and are charged with setting the children of God straight in their theology since until you showed up apparently no one has been available?
Why aren't religious leaders addressing the word of God? Why do I have to do what I'm doing? Pointing out stuff that should have been discussed openly in the Church many years ago.

I investigate and report. I've done it for years and people aways object to my conclusions and findings because I report the truth--regardless of whose feelings will be hurt. Why have you ignored 1 John 2:18-19? Why have you ignored Jesus warnings to his disciples in the Olivet Discourse in Mark 13? Why do you allow theology to be created off the Olivet Discourse in Matthew when the version is Mark clearly provides a different message? Why do you ignore the warnings in prophecy about the corruption? You want me to continue?
On the other hand, Paul testifies to the truth of Jesus Christ and expounds beautifly upon Old Testament Scripture as to how Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant and began the New Covenant in His Blood...
Paul never met Jesus and the disciples rejected him. Why didn't John mention Paul in his letters? Why did Paul meet with them two times overt seventeen years? Ya think they would have been closely coordinated. Why are there two versions of Paul's meeting with Jesus on the road that contradict? I've had FBI interrogation training to search for the truth--why is there indications of fraud in Paul's accounts?
Paul had an excellent grasp on Scripture (Law, Prophets, Psalms and Wisdom) far exceeding yours that not only the disciples confirmed during their lifetimes as being sent from God, but so do scholars for 1900 years - not just the church of Rome. It's a much larger church than that, and always has been.
Paul wrote some good sermons as a preacher. I think he was full of himself. Give me one piece of evidence proving that the words of Paul are the word of God and I'll admit I was wrong. I have no skin in the game--just the truth.
There's more evidence that the Bible is true and as accurately represented now than it was then, than there is evidence for anything else of that era. We have both internal and external evidence for Scripture.
Men assembled the books of the Bible and called it the word of God. Who gave those men the authority to chose the word of God?
So yes, like my faith in Christ I also have faith that the:



And I know I have not gone wrong because I mixed it with reason and not ego.
You write as though I'm trying to ruin your faith. My work proves Jesus beyond a doubt as the Messiah and God--the cool thing is I don't need faith--I follow the evidence trail that God purposely left for us all.
 
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