Tithing is a sin

[fastfredy0]

Interesting history of biblical tithing. Summary contained in first 2 minutes.

 

[atpollard]

The only ‘nit’ that I would pick (other than bad AI translation of TITHE as TIDE and TIE in some of the slides) is the misuse of the term “abolish” and “fulfill”. When Jesus used those terms, he was using common Hebrew idioms. To “abolish the law” meant to “incorrectly interpret” the LAW (books of Moses) and to “fulfill the law meant to “correctly interpret” the LAW (books of Moses). Jesus’ claim to “not abolish the Law, but to fulfill the Law” can only be correctly understood from the idioms, which fit perfectly with the context surrounding their being spoken.

So it was the Temple Sacrificial System that was abolished since the Lamb of God had come to offer the acceptable sacrifice (once for all) and with no Nation (following the desperate in AD 70) and no Prieshood (following the new covenant) there was no need for a Theocratic Law or a Levitical Temple Tax (the Tithe). However, it was not because Jesus came to ABOLISH the Law of Moses.

 

[prism]

The only ‘nit’ that I would pick (other than bad AI translation of TITHE as TIDE and TIE in some of the slides) is the misuse of the term “abolish” and “fulfill”. When Jesus used those terms, he was using common Hebrew idioms. To “abolish the law” meant to “incorrectly interpret” the LAW (books of Moses) and to “fulfill the law meant to “correctly interpret” the LAW (books of Moses). Jesus’ claim to “not abolish the Law, but to fulfill the Law” can only be correctly understood from the idioms, which fit perfectly with the context surrounding their being spoken.

So it was the Temple Sacrificial System that was abolished since the Lamb of God had come to offer the acceptable sacrifice (once for all) and with no Nation (following the desperate in AD 70) and no Prieshood (following the new covenant) there was no need for a Theocratic Law or a Levitical Temple Tax (the Tithe). However, it was not because Jesus came to ABOLISH the Law of Moses.

So since Jesus fulfilled the law, are the Gentile believers under obligation to tithe?

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[atpollard]

So since Jesus fulfilled the law, are the Gentile believers under obligation to tithe?

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Absolutely. If you move to Israel and they reestablish the Temple and you are part of the nation that has God as it’s head, you are obligated to follow ALL 613 laws God established for living under His theocracy (just as Jesus and the Apostles did).

However, since there is no Temple, you CANNOT bring your tithe to the Temple and you probably don’t have any crops to give 10% of and your sheep probably do not have any lambs and the Nation that God established was carried off and never restored under a direct Theocracy with a Prophet to announce the will of God … they don’t even have a King. Therefore, THOSE LAWS are not given to or for YOU.

So what does God (Jesus) require of His disciples and followers?
Where did Jesus tell YOU to bring YOUR “tithe”? If you cannot find a verse and a location where followers are commanded to bring a specific amount to a specific place, then you have your answer.

 

[prism]

Absolutely. If you move to Israel and they reestablish the Temple and you are part of the nation that has God as it’s head, you are obligated to follow ALL 613 laws God established for living under His theocracy (just as Jesus and the Apostles did).

However, since there is no Temple, you CANNOT bring your tithe to the Temple and you probably don’t have any crops to give 10% of and your sheep probably do not have any lambs and the Nation that God established was carried off and never restored under a direct Theocracy with a Prophet to announce the will of God … they don’t even have a King. Therefore, THOSE LAWS are not given to or for YOU.

So what does God (Jesus) require of His disciples and followers?
Where did Jesus tell YOU to bring YOUR “tithe”? If you cannot find a verse and a location where followers are commanded to bring a specific amount to a specific place, then you have your answer.

OK, I had that bit of sarcasm coming. Serves me right, I guess.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Yea or ney?


The Collection for the Saints

1 Corinthians 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also.
1Corinthians16:2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to set something aside, saving whatever he has prospered, so that no collections be made when I come.
1 Corinthians 16:3 And when I arrive, whomever you may approve, I will send them with letters to carry your gracious gift to Jerusalem,
1 Corinthians 16:4 and if it is fitting for me to go also, they will go with me.

I have also heard this called a love offering

Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches giving is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today.

Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.

After the death of Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, the New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.

Although no tithe is demanded of the Christian, the New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the body of Christ. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter (James 1:5). Above all, offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7). Gotquestions.com

 

[atpollard]

Yea or ney?


The Collection for the Saints

1 Corinthians 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also.
1Corinthians16:2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to set something aside, saving whatever he has prospered, so that no collections be made when I come.
1 Corinthians 16:3 And when I arrive, whomever you may approve, I will send them with letters to carry your gracious gift to Jerusalem,
1 Corinthians 16:4 and if it is fitting for me to go also, they will go with me.

I have also heard this called a love offering

If you want to take up a collection as a BIBLICAL REQUIREMENT for the Apostle Paul to collect when he passes through on his way to visit the CHRISTIAN SAINTS in Jerusalem, then have at it.

Personally, I just cheerfully give whatever I want (whatever the Lord leads me to give) to whoever and wherever I feel like it. If is to MY MASTER that I will be called to give an account for how I spent my TIME, TALENT and TREASURE that He entrusted to me.

[I think that means “Nay”.]

 

[ElectedbyHim]

If you want to take up a collection as a BIBLICAL REQUIREMENT for the Apostle Paul to collect when he passes through on his way to visit the CHRISTIAN SAINTS in Jerusalem, then have at it.

Personally, I just cheerfully give whatever I want (whatever the Lord leads me to give) to whoever and wherever I feel like it. If is to MY MASTER that I will be called to give an account for how I spent my TIME, TALENT and TREASURE that He entrusted to me.

[I think that means “Nay”.]

Ha, I knew that was coming from someone.

The Lord loves a cheerful giver.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

 

[atpollard]

Ha, I knew that was coming from someone.

The Lord loves a cheerful giver.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Happy to be of service.

 

[atpollard]

Ha, I knew that was coming from someone.

The Lord loves a cheerful giver.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Ironically, I was giving this some thought recently and realized that God will probably be more impressed with things that we don’t particularly consider as “giving”.

My wife has an adult cousin with severe bipolar disorder that is on SSD and lives in a group home literally half a continent away [Minnesota vs Florida]. The group home keeps his SSD check for his support. My wife was forced to live in a nursing home at one point when she was younger and suffered paralysis (before we met) and remembers what that was like. Because of her experience, she wants to send a letter with some cash to her cousin EVERY WEEK. I thought it was a good idea and never really gave much thought to sending “lunch at McDonalds or Denny’s” to someone that I had never met every week.

When I thought about scripture and phrases like “justice and mercy”, I realized that the money I give to support the mortgage and electric at the building where I worship, while a larger quantity, will probably mean far less to Jesus than the small, regular gifts to a “cousin-in-law” that I will likely never meet. It sort of ties back to that verse about “the first will be last and the last will be first”. God keeps a different sort of accounting than we do.

Anyway, those were my thoughts as I dropped the letter in the mailbox this past week. How little that money meant to me … how important that cash was to him … and wondering what God thought about the whole thing.