The Secret Doctrine of Christ

[donadams]

Col 1:26 referring too?

In your understanding

 

[Mr GLee]

Sola scriptura;
“Scripture is the only authority”!
“Nothing can be added to scripture”!

Must be a closed book on a table!

Open it-
Read it-
Teach it-
Interpret it-
Are all adding to scripture!
And makes you an authority!

Sola scriptura:
Any revelation from God in person, and teaching of Christ to his apostles in person, are to be rejected, including the spirit and Pentecost, and the heavens- scripture is the only authority!

Is this what you mean by sola scriptura?

Thks

Thanks .

There is not defense against the " flaming sword of the Spirit" the living word of God (sola scriptura) . It defend us, we as apostles sent messengers preach it, The Holy Father does the teaching if any , comforting and guiding .and bringing to our memory the previous things he has taught us (John 14)

Sola scriptura) the only authority in regard to the unseen things of God (things of eternal faith) Written with the finger of God on two tablets that God hewn out and wrote with his finger on both sides. . with no room for the oral traditions of dying men called a law of a legion of fathers

Moses coming down covering his face hiding the glory of God. The challenge began .They as a law of the fathers dying mankind had already decided not to trust Moses, the celebration party had begun "no God as a invisible head" it began with there own imagination they created a golden image to bow down to and developed thier own tradition coming from thier own mouth "I heard it through the fathers grape vine' a legion of patron saints .

God moved Moses to smash the first two book of law Then he mighty fully moved Moses to hewn out two new tablets. than again with the supernatural finger of God he wrote the sames ones down. Two the witness that one God has spoken . . setting the standard of God moving men according to his powerful faith as a labor of His Love.

Exodus 32:14-16King James Version And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

Exodus 34:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

Where two demonstration enough?

Takes the words right out of the legion of Popes mouth and thier what they call "sacred oral tradition of dying mankind" .

Of our invisible head or dying mankind?

Will you put on the armor of God today. . brother?

 

[Mr GLee]

Non-responsive to:

The "mysteries" (revelation never before given) presented in the NT, none of which are beyond human understanding and comprehension, are:
1) mystery of godliness (source of genuine piety--Jesus Christ) - 1 Tim 3:16
2) death of Christ - 1 Co 2:1,
3) God's purpose to sum up all things in Christ - Eph 1:9,
4) God's inclusion of both Gentiles and Jews in the church - Eph 3:3-6,
5) change that will take place at the resurrection (1 Co 15:51)
6) plan of God by which a remnant of both Jews (Ro 11:1-7) and Gentiles will be included in his kingdom (Ro 11:25).

That was my response. Without parables Christ the one good teaching master spoke not . Hiding the mysteries of faith from the unbelieving world revealing them to sons of Gods in parables.

Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by the faithful labor of Christ love after the unseen eternal things of God . . called faith, the power of God that all sons of God carry, the mutual power of Christ faith as it is written again it works mutaly in all

The prescription needed to rightly divide the parables as prophecy Compare the temporal historical seen to the unseen eternal

2 Corinthians 4:13-18 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Eleanor]

That was my response. Without parables Christ the one good teaching master spoke not . Hiding

Christ was not hiding never-before-given revelation to anyone on earth (i.e., mysteries), Christ was giving never before-given-revelation to anyone on earth (I.e., mysteries),
but revealing it in parables, so that his enemies could not understand the new revelation, but his followers could understand this never-before-given revelation (mystery).

the mysteries of faith

The "mysteries" of faith were neither difficult nor incomprehensible, they were simply truths never before revealed.

from the unbelieving world revealing them to sons of Gods in parables.

Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by the faithful labor of Christ love after the unseen eternal things of God . . called faith, the power of God that all sons of God carry, the mutual power of Christ faith as it is written again it works mutaly in all

The prescription needed to rightly divide the parables as prophecy

Parables are not prophecy (forth-telling the future), in the NT they are analogies of spiritual reality drawn from the natural order.

 

[Mr GLee]

Christ was not hiding never-before-given revelation to anyone on earth (i.e., mysteries), Christ was giving never before-given-revelation to anyone on earth (I.e., mysteries),
but revealing it in parables, so that his enemies could not understand the new revelation, but his followers could understand this never-before-given revelation (mystery).

How do the disciples understand these what you call mysteries never given ?

It seems like you are trying to create a mystery (never-before-given revelation to anyone on earth) Parables hide the spiritual understanding from the lost .

The temporal historical must be compared to the unseen eternal. according to the prescription needed to rightly divide the parables (prophecy)

2 Corihinatinas 4: 17-18 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
While we look not at the things which are seen,(the temporal historical) but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Again not created new mysteries never before given.

Ephesians 3;1-3King James Version3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

He inform us without parable the signified tongue of God he spoke not .It up to you show that not to be true. .

Matthew 13:34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:I

Mark 4:11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

 

[Josheb]

mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine

Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Definition: a mystery or secret doctrine
Usage: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.

3466 mystḗrion (the root of the English term, "mystery") – mystery. In the Bible, a "mystery" (3466 /mystḗrion) is not something unknowable. Rather, it is what can only be known through revelation, i.e. because God reveals it.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Colossians 1:15-23
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. 25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.28 He is the one we proclaim, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ. 29 To this end I strenuously contend with all the energy Christ so powerfully works in me.

Colossians 2:1-5
I want you to know how hard I am contending for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2 My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. 5 For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how disciplined you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

Colossians 2:9-10
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

Ephesians 3:1-12
For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles—2 Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence..14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

A secret hidden doctrine in the O.T. revealed by His Spirit in the N.T. The great Mystery revealed in the N.T.- Christ

In addition to God's purpose to include both Jews and Gentiles in the NT church (Eph 3:6), there are several other mysteries, or things formerly hidden or obscure, but now revealed for all to understand:

1) incarnation - God appeared in a body (1 Ti 3:16),
2) death of Christ - 1 Co 2:1, 7-8,
3) God's purpose to sum up all things in Christ - to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ (Eph 1:9),
4) change that will take place at the resurrection - we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed (1 Co 15:51),
5) plan of God by which a remnant of both Jew and Gentile, after a period of disobedience by both, will by his mercy be included in his kingdom (Ro 11:25).

Therefore, the mystery has been revealed and we, 20 centuries later, should stop talking about it as if it is still a mystery. It's no longer a mystery. It's no fact and truth.


Post accordingly.

 

[Binyawmene]

Mystery does not mean secret!
A mystery is a truth we cannot fully comprehend or understand like the trinity or the unity of Christ and his church acts 9:4 eph 5:32

The Hypostatic Union is a Divine Mystery or the Mystery of the Faith to the Church “the mystery of God, namely, Christ,” (Colossians 2:2). This mystery is not an intellectual puzzle or a contradiction. Nor is it an outgrowth of speculation. But it’s a revelation that was made known unto the Church. You know, the first two centuries the Christians and the Church was being persecuted which delay them from articulating the revelation of the Trinity and Hypostatic Union doctrines. Then in 313 AD, the Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which granted Christianity legal status. Couple years later the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. As many years continue to go Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire when Emperor Theodosius I issued the Edict of Thessalonica in 380. At that time the Church was going through its susceptible defense against Christological heresies of debates, more councils like Chalcedon in 451 AD, and creeds in order to unify the Church.

 

[Eleanor]

How do the disciples understand these what you call mysteries never given ?

It seems like you are trying to create a mystery (never-before-given revelation to anyone on earth) Parables hide the spiritual understanding from the lost .

Parables are given revelation to the saved while hidden from the lost.

Mysteries are given revelation to the saved heretofore hidden from the saved.

 

[Eleanor]

Therefore, the mystery has been revealed and we, 20 centuries later, should stop talking about it as if it is still a mystery. It's no longer a mystery. It's no fact and truth.


Post accordingly.

I will post according to the historical record of the NT.

 

[Josheb]

I will post according to the historical record of the NT.

Good.

 

[Mr GLee]

Parables are given revelation to the saved while hidden from the lost.

Mysteries are given revelation to the saved heretofore hidden from the saved.

It's not two things. It mysteries hid in parables in from the lost .To the the lost they remain unsolved parables or mysteries.

 

[Eleanor]

It's not two things. It mysteries hid in parables in from the lost .To the the lost they remain unsolved parables or mysteries.

According to the definition and Scriptural usage of "mysteries" and "parables," they are two different things.

Parables are revelation given to the saved while hidden from the lost.
Mysteries are revelation given to the saved heretofore hidden from the saved.

Precision matters in correct understanding and usage in the NT.

 

[donadams]

The Hypostatic Union is a Divine Mystery or the Mystery of the Faith to the Church “the mystery of God, namely, Christ,” (Colossians 2:2). This mystery is not an intellectual puzzle or a contradiction. Nor is it an outgrowth of speculation. But it’s a revelation that was made known unto the Church. You know, the first two centuries the Christians and the Church was being persecuted which delay them from articulating the revelation of the Trinity and Hypostatic Union doctrines. Then in 313 AD, the Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which granted Christianity legal status. Couple years later the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. As many years continue to go Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire when Emperor Theodosius I issued the Edict of Thessalonica in 380. At that time the Church was going through its susceptible defense against Christological heresies of debates, more councils like Chalcedon in 451 AD, and creeds in order to unify the Church.

Also eph 5:32

I was referring to a dogma

3. God’s Nature is incomprehensible to men.
Thks

 

[civic]

Therefore, the mystery has been revealed and we, 20 centuries later, should stop talking about it as if it is still a mystery. It's no longer a mystery. It's no fact and truth.


Post accordingly.

I agree but it was a mystery revealed in the early church .