The profit of spiritual gifts?

[Carbon]

12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.


8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. 1 Cor 12.

What would be the profit of these spiritual gifts today?
Now it's obvious what benefit the gift of healing would be. But I do not believe there is a person who possesses this gift.

Thoughts?

 

[ReverendRV]

12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.


8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. 1 Cor 12.

What would be the profit of these spiritual gifts today?
Now it's obvious what benefit the gift of healing would be. But I do not believe there is a person who possesses this gift.

Thoughts?

The Doctrine of Signs and Wonders, teaches that the Spiritual Gifts are for Authenticating God's Message throughout Time. Jesus said; 'You don't believe me, believe the Miracles'. Saint Paul said that 'If people walk into Church and they see you Babbling, they will think you're Crazy'. Therefore, there's a Kind of Tongues that aren't the Spiritual Gift of God that Authenticates his Message. We're to not speak these Kinds of tongues...

 

[civic]

The Doctrine of Signs and Wonders, teaches that the Spiritual Gifts are for Authenticating God's Message throughout Time. Jesus said; 'You don't believe me, believe the Miracles'. Saint Paul said that 'If people walk into Church and they see you Babbling, they will think you're Crazy'. Therefore, there's a Kind of Tongues that aren't the Spiritual Gift of God that Authenticates his Message. We're to not speak these Kinds of tongues...

And they were rare, uncommon in Scripture. We see it with Moses who gave us the Law, the Prophets, then nothing for a long time until Jesus came on the scene and finally the Apostles. In each case God was giving new revelation through them and the miracles, signs and wonders authenticated their message so there was no denying they were Gods mouthpiece. God is no longer giving such revelation.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.


8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. 1 Cor 12.

What would be the profit of these spiritual gifts today?
Now it's obvious what benefit the gift of healing would be. But I do not believe there is a person who possesses this gift.

Thoughts?

I utter wisdom all the time and it does me no good whatsoever. I hope it does someone else some good but usually all I get is glares and snarky comments.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

See? See!?

 

[Eleanor]

I utter wisdom all the time and it does me no good whatsoever. I hope it does someone else some good but usually all I get is glares and snarky comments.

Well-deserved?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

What would be the profit of these spiritual gifts today?

What would be the benefit of:

FAITH it's how you got Born again to begin with, so handy for you, and me.
Healing is obvious when you're sick.
Miracles - if you need one, the gift would be handy
Word of Knowledge - handy if you need to KNOW something
Word of Wisdom - Handy to know how to PROPERLY apply "knowlege", or what to do in a complex situation.
Dissertation of Spirits - Jesus used this on Peter, when Pete resisted Jesus death IN THE SPIRIT OF SATAN. People speak from ALL SORTS of "spirits"
Prophecy - always good to have God's WORD in a situation
Tongues - many uses - praying in the spirit to God, communicating to somebody when you don't know their language
Interpretation of tongues - handy to let other people know what God's message is Tongues + Interpretation = Prophesy.

AND - of course the list isn't inclusive - nothing about destroying an army with an asses jawbone, or bring down Fire from heaven.

NOBODY "possesses" gifts. They're distributed as temporarily empowerments to individuals according to need, and God's pleasure. I have Interpreted tongues many times, but if you spoke to me in tongues today, I'd be unable to do anything UNLESS the Holy SPirit burdened me with the gif again.

 

[Agra Man]

To be effective perhaps they are to first be used to edify and build the church to be well equipped and well versed in the armor of God. We battle not against flesh but spirit so it only seems natural a spiritual gift is also part of the operating in spiritual warfar.

But then if it was only for the body of Christ that would defeat the purpose because in the end the gifts were meant for the rest of the world.

 

[Agra Man]

Something about the seven spirits of God comes to mind maybe someone here knows what that is about also this song came mind I hope it gives a good image and maybe it will be a blessing.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Something about the seven spirits of God comes to mind maybe someone here knows what that is about

Got Questions is a good resource

What are the seven spirits of God? | GotQuestions.org

What are the seven spirits of God? Do the seven spirits of God refer to the fact that God is complete and perfect?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Sereni-tea]

12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.


8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. 1 Cor 12.

What would be the profit of these spiritual gifts today?
Now it's obvious what benefit the gift of healing would be. But I do not believe there is a person who possesses this gift.

Thoughts?

I think the benefits of the gifts are as varied as the gifts themsleves and as verse 7 says are given for the common good. The same Spirit that was at work in the early church is at work in us today. And the church today also needs building up and strengthening, just like it did in the days of the Apostles. Yes we have the Bible, but God has not left us. He still speaks to us, still listens to our prayers, is still active in our lives and in the life of the church. He is still calling His people and building His church. Ultimately the gifts are given for the glory of God.

 

[Agra Man]

Got Questions is a good resource

What are the seven spirits of God? | GotQuestions.org

What are the seven spirits of God? Do the seven spirits of God refer to the fact that God is complete and perfect?

www.gotquestions.org

Yes it is and granted I haven't done much studying on that subject in particular but I do get the sense it has to do with the ministry of the church I also want to see all the places it is referenced as well not mention all the other sevens rlated to it such as the seven churches and the seven lamps at least that seems to I could be wrong.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Yes it is and granted I haven't done much studying on that subject in particular but I do get the sense it has to do with the ministry of the church I also want to see all the places it is referenced as well not mention all the other sevens rlated to it such as the seven churches and the seven lamps at least that seems to I could be wrong.

I think Monergism.com also has a good article or two on the subject. Haven't checked in a while.

 

[Wordsmith]

What would be the profit of these spiritual gifts today?

Maybe the better question is why do some try so hard to remove them from the church?

 

[Wordsmith]

But I do not believe there is a person who possesses this gift.

I do not know anyone who believes that the gifts are still active in the church who believes they are possessed by and operated at their own whims. That is usually and argument proposed by detractors. They are gifts of and by the Spirit using willing vessels as the Spirit wills.

 

[Carbon]

Maybe the better question is why do some try so hard to remove them from the church?

Yes, perhaps. But that would depend on which way you look at it.

 

[ChristB4us]

And they were rare, uncommon in Scripture. We see it with Moses who gave us the Law, the Prophets, then nothing for a long time until Jesus came on the scene and finally the Apostles. In each case God was giving new revelation through them and the miracles, signs and wonders authenticated their message so there was no denying they were Gods mouthpiece. God is no longer giving such revelation.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Signs and wonders were never to be used as proof or to authenticate anything from God.

Having two or three witnesses to establish a testimony in the assembly is.

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Confirmation is given by how they use tongues & prophesy as the church was supposed to be doing.

1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

And as an added note to @Carbon 's comment about never seeing healings being done in the assembly to expound on your comment....

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Healings can take place in apostate movements of the "spirit" which is really the spirit of the antichrist. Ernest Angeley's Healing crusade would point out to the audience as if directed by the Holy Spirit & prophesy about someone having a sickness or an injury to pray for that healing to occur. The people that come up for a healing, he would ask what they want healing for and then he would announce the coming of the Holy Spirit to fall on that believer, sometimes causing that believer to be stunned and fall backwards to get this supposed healing. Sometime, though, he pushes them back on the forehead where catchers lay them to the ground.

Now you guys speak against other baptisms with the Holy Ghost for a saved believer to receive and yet seem to be wary about speaking against the continual filling of the Holy Spirit, but that is what they sometime call these phenomenon as occurring that even bring about "healing".

My brother's church had a guest speaker on applying the Samaritan woman at the well that Jesus went to & spoke to as an example that unbelievers can have this "encounter with Jesus" to "experience the tenderness of Jesus" without preaching the gospel to them while my brother's pastor added as an invitation to saved believers, "Those who hunger for more of God,..... let the Spirit fill you" so that both sinners & saved believers would get the healing they seek,

So signs and wonders ae not being used by God to authenticate anything as proof that this is from God for the believers to claim by.

And as for sinners, no gospel presentation in Acts hyped signs and wonders for sinners to seek after to receive so that they may believe, because of what Jesus said.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Signs follow the believers so the unbelievers may believe. Believers nor unbelievers are to seek after signs for proof of anything from God.

@Agra Man & @Wordsmith & @Sereni-tea

 

[Wordsmith]

Healings can take place in apostate movements of the "spirit" which is really the spirit of the antichrist. Ernest Angeley's Healing crusade would point out to the audience as if directed by the Holy Spirit & prophesy about someone having a sickness or an injury to pray for that healing to occur.

It is sad that some give more credence to healings in an apostate church than in a Bible believing one. So are we to believe it would be easier for someone to obtain healing in an apostate (antchrist) meeting than in a God glorifying church???? I really don't know what to think of this line of thinking, it for sure is not Biblical teaching.

Why don't you comment testimonies from real people and experiences on this forum? Do you believe this stuff so strongly that you can with confidence say I was not healed or that the evangelist could not know my problem but by trickery or deceit ? You maneuver seamlessly through the scriptures to try and prove what is, is not. You have a pat answer for every scriptural response that disagrees with you but offer no comment, explanation for the multitudes that have been touched, healed and benefited from the gifts God placed in the church.

I challenge you to prayerfully watch the video and show us from scripture this is false testimony. I knew both of these ladies and they are far more credible than a lot of the teaching going forth by a few on this forum.

 

[ChristB4us]

It is sad that some give more credence to healings in an apostate church than in a Bible believing one. So are we to believe it would be easier for someone to obtain healing in an apostate (antchrist) meeting than in a God glorifying church???? I really don't know what to think of this line of thinking, it for sure is not Biblical teaching.

Why don't you comment testimonies from real people and experiences on this forum? Do you believe this stuff so strongly that you can with confidence say I was not healed or that the evangelist could not know my problem but by trickery or deceit ? You maneuver seamlessly through the scriptures to try and prove what is, is not. You have a pat answer for every scriptural response that disagrees with you but offer no comment, explanation for the multitudes that have been touched, healed and benefited from the gifts God placed in the church.

I challenge you to prayerfully watch the video and show us from scripture this is false testimony. I knew both of these ladies and they are far more credible than a lot of the teaching going forth by a few on this forum.

I do not doubt the experiences, but scripture reproves it as not of Him at all but a work of iniquity as many are led astray by them.

Does it glorify Jesus Christ at the calling of the gospel? No. It glorifies that movement of the "spirit" in hyping saved believers and even sinners into seeking its "visitations" with its signs & lying wonders.

 

[Wordsmith]

The Doctrine of Signs and Wonders, teaches that the Spiritual Gifts are for Authenticating God's Message throughout Time. Jesus said; 'You don't believe me, believe the Miracles'. Saint Paul said that 'If people walk into Church and they see you Babbling, they will think you're Crazy'. Therefore, there's a Kind of Tongues that aren't the Spiritual Gift of God that Authenticates his Message. We're to not speak these Kinds of tongues...

Part truths are not always whole truths.



The same Jesus who did say " You don't believe me , believe the miracles" also healed from compassion and not for a sign.

Mark 8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.

23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.

24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

26 And he sent him away to his house, saying, Neither go into the town, nor tell it to any in the town.

God is sovereign not needing to prove He is God in every case.

He can bless His children because He is a God of mercy and love.