The Oneness of God.......

[Hobie]

We had a pastor that told us he was going to preach on the 'Trinity', and my ears perked up. So I quizzed him to see what he would say, but he deferred with a smile and told me to check out the sermon and see. So I got a good seat and listened.

Well, he didnt say it directly but the message he gave was more than I had anticipated. He went over the usual text and the basic understanding of them, but then he went into the how God in his ordered way was one, yet distinct in the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. Then he went deeper into the oneness of God and gave the following text.....

Genesis 2:20-24
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Can this be a peek at the mystery on how God can be one, and yet seperate.....one "essence", one "substance", yet distinct...not born or created but eternally existing from the same 'oneness'?

 

[Josheb]

Can this be a peek at the mystery on how God can be one, and yet seperate.....one "essence", one "substance", yet distinct...not born or created but eternally existing from the same 'oneness'?

Yes.

The word "echad" is used quite diversely in the OT. cluster of grapes is called echad, even though it is comprised of multiple echads (or single grapes). An army on the march is, too. The problem arises the minute God speaks of Himself in the plural form, such as the "us" and "our"of Genesis 1:26 and the male and female of the next verse. One non-trin attempt at rebuttal is to say God was speaking to the angels but angels are created creatures, not creators and there is no evidence in the Bible they bear God's image. We're not made in the image of angels. We're made in the image of God.

One point I have often noticed both trins and non-trins miss is the fact the Father, Son, and Holy (separate for sacred purpose) Spirit are largely soteriological labels used predominantly in the NT. If God had revealed Himself to be entering creation to die that would not have made any sense to anyone in the first century. It is a series of combined absurdities. The externally existing Creator cannot condescend to enter that which He created. Jew or non-Jew had not theology for that. Zeus or Mars or Fred shows up but they did not create the universe. They are progeny of the Titans or some other origin and they act like humans, not gods. They are masquerading. Gods can't be human and humans can't be gods. In Judaism there's only one God, which is hugely problematic for all the surrounding paganism Those foolish Jews, they've got only one god. pfffft! Gods don't die. Gods can't die. They are immortal; humans are not. On top of that nonsense there's the notion of dying to save the creature from sin. The only salvation that exists occurs - and can only occur - by way of works. Do good. Be good. God is so feeble S/HeIt can be reached by human effort.

In other words, Christianity sticks a giant, sharp, hot poker in everyone's eye, forcefully jams it into the skull and shakes it around. All the old ways of thinking have to change. The paradigm is unrelenting. The premise of forgiveness is unforgiving. Grace, not merit. Faith, not works, A condescending God inherently valuing the creature above Himself is the only way. His word gets made flesh in human likeness, taking on the form of a bondservant - a particularly lowly creature worthy only of scorn. A creature who could not and did not abide stewardship and had to sell himself into slavery to another, discarding all semblance of self-respect and nobility. Sons especially do not do that to their father's (see the prodigal family parable). Pagan gods breed with humans, but the progeny are never fully or wholly gods, and the half-breeds are woefully crazy people, regardless of any particular power they might possess. The faculties of reason are a gifted to the creature. Reason is not a person. That's one more absurdity in a growing list of Christian insanity. That reason might save humanity is worthy of consideration until reason's death is the vehicle for salvation. Still more Christian inanity and insanity. This inanity is superior to Dagon? Ha! So greater than Caesar that Caesar will one day bow to a criminal Jew?

We've had enough of that nonsense. Let's cover these folks with pitch, ram a huge pole through them, light them afire while still alive and use them for streetlights. It's a lot more involved than stoning, but it's also a lot more fun. Cover that sin mister carpenter guy.

Genesis 15:17
Now it came about, when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, a smoking oven and a flaming torch appeared which passed between these pieces.

How can God pledge fealty to Himself? It's sheer nonsense. How can God promise to die to prove his fealty to Himself. It's more nonsense. How could he pledge His own death even if He never breaks fealty? More and more and more madness! The God who made us is, Himself, an Us. He later calls Himself Father and Son, both of which command the Spirit that is also God and fully capable of having Its/His own thoughts, emotions, volition and conduct. There are multiple "peeks" into the mystery that is the God of the Bible. They are all absurd. They cannot be understood by the natural man. To argue the logos that is God can only be understood by the Spirit who is God or circular, redundant, inanity.

Where's my bucket of pitch?

We preach Christ crucified,
to Jews that is a stumbling block,
and to Gentiles it is foolishness.​

Just like all the rest of the soteriological language used throughout the New Testament. The God who saves is an Us. Just like an echad of grapes.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes.

The word "echad" is used quite diversely in the OT. cluster of grapes is called echad, even though it is comprised of multiple echads (or single grapes). An army on the march is, too. The problem arises the minute God speaks of Himself in the plural form, such as the "us" and "our"of Genesis 1:26 and the male and female of the next verse. One non-trin attempt at rebuttal is to say God was speaking to the angels but angels are created creatures, not creators and there is no evidence in the Bible they bear God's image. We're not made in the image of angels. We're made in the image of God.

One point I have often noticed both trins and non-trins miss is the fact the Father, Son, and Holy (separate for sacred purpose) Spirit are largely soteriological labels used predominantly in the NT. If God had revealed Himself to be entering creation to die that would not have made any sense to anyone in the first century. It is a series of combined absurdities. The externally existing Creator cannot condescend to enter that which He created. Jew or non-Jew had not theology for that. Zeus or Mars or Fred shows up but they did not create the universe. They are progeny of the Titans or some other origin and they act like humans, not gods. They are masquerading. Gods can't be human and humans can't be gods. In Judaism there's only one God, which is hugely problematic for all the surrounding paganism Those foolish Jews, they've got only one god. pfffft! Gods don't die. Gods can't die. They are immortal; humans are not. On top of that nonsense there's the notion of dying to save the creature from sin. The only salvation that exists occurs - and can only occur - by way of works. Do good. Be good. God is so feeble S/HeIt can be reached by human effort.

In other words, Christianity sticks a giant, sharp, hot poker in everyone's eye, forcefully jams it into the skull and shakes it around. All the old ways of thinking have to change. The paradigm is unrelenting. The premise of forgiveness is unforgiving. Grace, not merit. Faith, not works, A condescending God inherently valuing the creature above Himself is the only way. His word gets made flesh in human likeness, taking on the form of a bondservant - a particularly lowly creature worthy only of scorn. A creature who could not and did not abide stewardship and had to sell himself into slavery to another, discarding all semblance of self-respect and nobility. Sons especially do not do that to their father's (see the prodigal family parable). Pagan gods breed with humans, but the progeny are never fully or wholly gods, and the half-breeds are woefully crazy people, regardless of any particular power they might possess. The faculties of reason are a gifted to the creature. Reason is not a person. That's one more absurdity in a growing list of Christian insanity. That reason might save humanity is worthy of consideration until reason's death is the vehicle for salvation. Still more Christian inanity and insanity. This inanity is superior to Dagon? Ha! So greater than Caesar that Caesar will one day bow to a criminal Jew?

We've had enough of that nonsense. Let's cover these folks with pitch, ram a huge pole through them, light them afire while still alive and use them for streetlights. It's a lot more involved than stoning, but it's also a lot more fun. Cover that sin mister carpenter guy.

Genesis 15:17
Now it came about, when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, a smoking oven and a flaming torch appeared which passed between these pieces.

How can God pledge fealty to Himself? It's sheer nonsense. How can God promise to die to prove his fealty to Himself. It's more nonsense. How could he pledge His own death even if He never breaks fealty? More and more and more madness! The God who made us is, Himself, an Us. He later calls Himself Father and Son, both of which command the Spirit that is also God and fully capable of having Its/His own thoughts, emotions, volition and conduct. There are multiple "peeks" into the mystery that is the God of the Bible. They are all absurd. They cannot be understood by the natural man. To argue the logos that is God can only be understood by the Spirit who is God or circular, redundant, inanity.

Where's my bucket of pitch?

We preach Christ crucified,
to Jews that is a stumbling block,
and to Gentiles it is foolishness.​

Just like all the rest of the soteriological language used throughout the New Testament. The God who saves is an Us. Just like an echad of grapes.

Many so-called "christians" present a theology that Christ Jesus didn't come in the flesh. This would be the false theology of the antichrist.

 

[Questions]

Did the Trinity 'come in the flesh'?

 

[CrowCross]

Did the Trinity 'come in the flesh'?

The Word who was God and with God did. Do you need me to point out that verse for you?

Would you like to meet the real Jesus?

 

[Questions]

Since Jesus was the Trinity I guess They did!

 

[Arial]

Did the Trinity 'come in the flesh'?

No. Only the Son came in the flesh.

 

[Questions]

No. Only the Son came in the flesh.

The Others were in heaven?

 

[Arial]

The Others were in heaven?

The other what?

God is omnipresent. All three persons of the Trinity share one and the same essence.

 

[Questions]

The other what?

God is omnipresent. All three persons of the Trinity share one and the same essence.

PLEASE find THAT in the Bible!

 

[Arial]

@Questions
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[Questions]

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AND everyone says the same thing.

 

[Arial]

Why? It saves typing!
AND everyone says the same thing.

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[David Lamb]

Since Jesus was the Trinity I guess They did!

Jesus by Himself wasn't the whole Trinity. The Trinity refers to God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit.