THE MASSIVE GRAND CANYON—IT'S GENESES

[Homework]

The Massive Grand Canyon
[It’s Geneses]​

The common view is that the Canyon was cut out by the Colorado River over a period of millions of years. This evolutionary view is widely taught, and our children are being subjected to it in school at a young age. It is my conception the evolutionary view is full of loopholes and inconsistencies.

Let’s approach this controversy issue with a little bit of common intelligence. The Nile River in Egypt is as old as the Colorado River, perhaps even older. If age and continual flow are the key factors, why hasn’t the Nile River cut out a canyon as awesome, or at least similar to, the Grand Canyon? Then there’s the Mississippi, the Ohio, the Rio Grande, and many other old waterways. Why haven’t they hewed out canyons?

The answer, I think, is obvious. Time and continual flow have little if anything to do with canyons whose walls are sheer rock, like the Grand Canyon. And we’ll even allow for a little erosion along the way. That still doesn’t cut it, however. For if erosion carved out the Grand Canyon, why hasn’t erosion carved out other old waterways, thus forming canyons of them? Again, age and continual flow have little to do with canyons whose walls are compacted rock.

THE CANYON’S INNER GORGES
If you have ever hiked the Canyon, you have observed, as I have, thousands of inner gorges—all solid rock. Many of them are as deep and as high as the Canyon itself. Now tell me: If the Colorado River is responsible for carving out the Grand Canyon, how did the inner gorges develop?

The great Colorado could not have shaped them. The raging billows of the river would have by-passed them. I can see the river’s back-flow pervading the gorges at one time, at least fractionally, but carving them out? No way! And I’m allowing for a small fraction of erosion in the process. Erosion, however, is not the author of the inner gorges, or of the Canyon itself. We must look for a greater source than erosion.

I have hiked the Grand Canyon a number of times, all the way to the floor and back. Of all the Canyon excursions, I have never once viewed any evidence that the Colorado River is responsible for carving out such an awesome gully. I have seen, however, layer upon layer of solidified sediment, one placed upon the other, caused by a violent revolution of the Earth, when a worldwide catastrophe in the form of a flood occurred, such as the one described in chapters 6-8 of the Book of Genesis.

“All the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights” [Genesis 7:11-12].

VERTICALLY INLAID SEDIMENTS
During the Summer of 2000, my two sons, a grandson, and I hiked the Grand Canyon from rim-to-rim. We hiked out on the 14-mile North Kaibab Trail. Usually, layer upon layer of solidified sediment form the Canyon’s sheer walls. On our trek this time, we saw unique rock formations we had not seen previously. Instead of horizontal layers of solidified sediment that are found throughout the Canyon, we observed many solidified sediments that are vertically inlaid.

We also noticed that the major rock formations had vertical sheer markings rather than diagonal, as one would expect from a flowing river. I wondered to myself: How do evolutionists and atheists explain this aside from a violent revolution of the Earth, “when all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of heaven were opened, and rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights” [Genesis 7:11-12].

A GEOLOGICAL FACT
Consequently, it seems the sedimentary layers of the Grand Canyon were deposited by the violent upheaval of the global flood in Noah’’s day. When we ponder the geological fact that in different parts of the world young strata, which should be at the top of rock layers, are at or toward the bottom (called “flip-flopped” or “reversed strata”), we are compelled to admit that at one time the earth experienced a spasmodic revolution or convulsion, such as the one described during the global flood of Noah’s day. But whatever happened, God was behind it. And it seemed to have come about quickly, not over a period of millions of years. On that note, I have no doubt.​

Besides geology, there’s a difference in civil engineering between the two rivers. The Nile had hydroelectric infrastructure which was destroyed during the last century by two world wars and decolonization, which also affects the terrain more immediately than the flooding of several millenniums ago. The Nile has also been populated for about three thousand years longer than Colorado. It’s not just a simple matter of Genesis vs Charles Darwin, there’s much more to it.

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

Besides geology, there’s a difference in civil engineering between the two rivers. The Nile had hydroelectric infrastructure which was destroyed during the last century by two world wars and decolonization, which also affects the terrain more immediately than the flooding of several millenniums ago. The Nile has also been populated for about three thousand years longer than Colorado. It’s not just a simple matter of Genesis vs Charles Darwin, there’s much more to it.

Thanks for posting my column on the Mighty Grand Canyon. I'll go with Genesis and the global flood, as depicted by the God of creation.​

 

[Homework]

Thanks for posting my column on the Mighty Grand Canyon. I'll go with Genesis and the global flood, as depicted by the God of creation.​

Yeah. I’ll go ahead and keep on paying attention to human as well as catastrophe history however, since mass population growth and migration as well as war and atrocity among the generations of separate world powers also has very, very, substantial effects on the global landscape. I guess I would want to do a lot of road building or infrastructure engineering on the sabbath either, but I definitely see how the passage of ordinary as well as miraculous and prophetic time effects the human environment!

How do you note the different time scales you use? Say, there’s regularly periodic astronomical time, now that coincides with regular periodicity to both sabbaths of weeks and major festivals, as well as agricultural sabbaticals. Also, punctuated equilibrium with miracle intervention such as the flood or the falls of Sodom and Gomorrah have a timeline, thought not a regular calander. This is the predicate subject of space time relativity, by the way.

Where are you with categorizing that?

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

I suggest you give your attention to the core of the matter, such as noted in the column itself...

A GEOLOGICAL FACT
Consequently, it seems the sedimentary layers of the Grand Canyon were deposited by the violent upheaval of the global flood in Noah’’s day. When we ponder the geological fact that in different parts of the world young strata, which should be at the top of rock layers, are at or toward the bottom (called “flip-flopped” or “reversed strata”), we are compelled to admit that at one time the earth experienced a spasmodic revolution or convulsion, such as the one described during the global flood of Noah’s day. But whatever happened, God was behind it. And it seemed to have come about quickly, not over a period of millions of years. On that note, I have no doubt.​

 

[Homework]

I suggest you give your attention to the core of the matter, such as noted in the column itself...

A GEOLOGICAL FACT
Consequently, it seems the sedimentary layers of the Grand Canyon were deposited by the violent upheaval of the global flood in Noah’’s day. When we ponder the geological fact that in different parts of the world young strata, which should be at the top of rock layers, are at or toward the bottom (called “flip-flopped” or “reversed strata”), we are compelled to admit that at one time the earth experienced a spasmodic revolution or convulsion, such as the one described during the global flood of Noah’s day. But whatever happened, God was behind it. And it seemed to have come about quickly, not over a period of millions of years. On that note, I have no doubt.​

Like, you live in Colorado on the banks of the river? I used to live in SoCal and spent July 4 in Grand Canyon National Park one year myself, you’re just looking at the scenic formation? Well it was astounding. I pointed out that over time SINCE the flood, whose receding waters I didn’t deny were the cause of it, that civilization has really risen and fallen, it’s been about 4000 years. Since you don’t want to talk about the difference between blacks and native North Americans in modern revolutions compared to English speaking colonists, I’ll get it back to local geography. Besides the flood, when comparing the Colorado to the Nile on a present day map, have you ever noticed that throughout history, the Nile’s fountainhead on Kilimanjaro has erupted at least twice but the Colorados fountainhead in the Denver Rockies has never erupted? I’m just responding to the geography post, I speak a few words in Spanish myself, so I do know that Colorado means “colored”. I was simply trying to be polite rather than overtly racist or depressing on the basis of body count.

 

[makesends]

I speak a few words in Spanish myself, so I do know that Colorado means “colored”. I was simply trying to be polite rather than overtly racist

Huh? Racist?? The Spanish word, "colorado" has nothing to do with race. It is transliterating it to say it means "colored" —not translating it. It simply means "red in color" or "colored red". "Playa Colorada" would be a beach with reddish sand. "Un cielo colorado" would be a reddish sky.

"El Río Colorado" intends the river with a reddish color.

 

[Homework]

Huh? Racist?? The Spanish word, "colorado" has nothing to do with race. It is transliterating it to say it means "colored" —not translating it. It simply means "red in color" or "colored red". "Playa Colorada" would be a beach with reddish sand. "Un cielo colorado" would be a reddish sky.

"El Río Colorado" intends the river with a reddish color.

Uh huh. Spaniards are red men. Salvador Dali made a great big giant deal out of it in his self portraits on video tape in the last century, in which he showed himself painting and displays his finished paintings. Salvador Dali is a well read red man was essentially the Spaniards catch phrase.

 

[EarlyActs]

Question from one unlearned in geology (so be kind to me ):

If the Grand Canyon was formed by the flood, why do we not have a lot more grand canyons?

There has to be other factors to result in a Grand Canyon, and in fact, there is a second result like it, downstream, submerged, called the Monterey Canyon, 3x the volume.

One of those factors would be a bulging tectonic plate, that has been pushed up to a high altitude. I believe the top of Grand is some 8000 ft.

But an additional factor is the deposit of slurry from elsewhere. I should say deposits, plural. And I mean before the removal downstream. All this to say, that there were some events in the cataclysm which made such changes and deposits, and then massive amounts of watery slurry followed after. That water had to follow gravity's lead and this force finds the path of least resistance. I believe there are documents that show that some sediment (which is dried, settle slurry) in Grand's walls are from the Northeast US. Australia has such far-flung deposits as well.

If you spend time at an ocean beach with a stream outlet, you will see tidal cycles that make small replications of this. When it's time for tide to recede, the sand that has been built up is torn away and the edges of such tears are steep and may even look like Grand's edges, or like the Columbia Rivers east-of-Cascades edges.

The puncture of the Cascades by massive slurries is a similar event, but being closer to the Missoula ice field and lake, has a sort of local explanation. Thick ice once covered N America as far south in WA state as Olympia. But it was all over N America draining mostly out the Mississippi. Niagara provides a timestamp of a sudden surge's starting time.

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

Like, you live in Colorado on the banks of the river? I used to live in SoCal and spent July 4 in Grand Canyon National Park one year myself, you’re just looking at the scenic formation? Well it was astounding. I pointed out that over time SINCE the flood, whose receding waters I didn’t deny were the cause of it, that civilization has really risen and fallen, it’s been about 4000 years. Since you don’t want to talk about the difference between blacks and native North Americans in modern revolutions compared to English speaking colonists, I’ll get it back to local geography. Besides the flood, when comparing the Colorado to the Nile on a present day map, have you ever noticed that throughout history, the Nile’s fountainhead on Kilimanjaro has erupted at least twice but the Colorados fountainhead in the Denver Rockies has never erupted? I’m just responding to the geography post, I speak a few words in Spanish myself, so I do know that Colorado means “colored”. I was simply trying to be polite rather than overtly racist or depressing on the basis of body count.

HOMEWORK: "Since you don’t want to talk about the difference between blacks and native North Americans in modern revolutions compared to English speaking colonists, I’ll get it back to local geography."

You've lost me here.

HOMEWORK: "I’m just responding to the geography post, I speak a few words in Spanish myself, so I do know that Colorado means “colored”. I was simply trying to be polite rather than overtly racist or depressing on the basis of body count."

You've lost me here again. I'm thinking in terms that mixed-up messages settle very little, if anything. The bottom line, at least to me, is that following the Global Flood, God's terrain was and is very much like it appears today--that is, not one rocky/stone canyon was created/hewed out by flowing waters.​

 

[Two-Edged Sword]

Question from one unlearned in geology (so be kind to me ):

If the Grand Canyon was formed by the flood, why do we not have a lot more grand canyons?

This tread to too big so I didn't read all the replies, but it can also be asked to the opposite theorist "if a river cut the Grand Canyon, why isn't there massive canyons at all the other rivers?" - To my understanding, the Grand Canyon was formed, in theory, when massive lake(s) of trapped flood water breached (sometime after the flood) causing cavitation rapidly cutting through the soil and rock and draining into the Gulf of California.

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

This tread to too big so I didn't read all the replies, but it can also be asked to the opposite theorist "if a river cut the Grand Canyon, why isn't there massive canyons at all the other rivers?" - To my understanding, the Grand Canyon was formed, in theory, when massive lake(s) of trapped flood water breached (sometime after the flood) causing cavitation rapidly cutting through the soil and rock and draining into the Gulf of California.

Yes, your idea is a theory only, not a reality. Thanks, anyway.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Question from one unlearned in geology (so be kind to me ):

If the Grand Canyon was formed by the flood, why do we not have a lot more grand canyons?

It was formed by a lake left behind from the flood..

I'm trying to figure out how you picture this happening in your mind.

If mountains were "lifted up" high enough to rise above the flood water level, wouldn't that mean that more land (dirt and rock) had to be added to each mountain so it would rise out of the water?
Are you proposing that God dug out valleys and placed that land (dirt and rock) atop the mountains?
And so the valleys that were dug out became the oceans and the mountains became the land we live on?

or when the water receded and the weight of the water was removed. Huge parts of land was pushed up. This cause water which was receding to be kept back. forming lakes (Science calls them even by name) eventually. the weight of the water overcome the strength of what held them back. and there was a breach which emptied both lakes.

The lakes emptying carved out the grand canyon, which was still recovering from the flood.. and opened a door that God could show us what happened in the days of noah.

look up the mini grand canyon formed when Mt St Helens erupted.. alot of the same properties happened, including petrified wood..

 

[Two-Edged Sword]

Yes, your idea is a theory only, not a reality. Thanks, anyway.

We don't have a record of what exactly happened so we have to look at the geological evidence to assess a best answer but anything anyone comes up when looking at past is considered a "theory".

Perhaps look up "Lake Hopi" for a deeper analysis of this possibility, or here is a link to a site that covers this theory and a preferred model: The origin of Grand Canyon.