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The Failure of Job’s Friends: A Warning Against Misrepresenting God

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I think this should make any of us who post here pause for thought. Myself more than anyone.



The Failure of Job’s Friends: A Warning Against Misrepresenting God

One of the most striking elements of the book of Job is the way in which Job’s friends attempt to console him, only to earn the rebuke of God. Their words, though often clothed in the language of wisdom, ultimately misrepresented the nature of divine justice and providence. At the conclusion of the book, the Lord speaks directly to Eliphaz, one of the friends, and declares, “My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has” (Job 42:7). These are sobering words. They remind us that it is not enough to speak about God—we must speak rightly about Him. The failure of Job’s friends, therefore, stands as a warning against theological presumption, a call to humility, and a summons to a deeper reverence for the wisdom of God.

At the heart of their error was a rigid and simplistic understanding of God’s justice. Job’s friends assumed a strict system of retribution: the righteous are always blessed, and the wicked are always punished. In their minds, there was no room for mystery, no allowance for divine testing, no recognition that suffering could serve a greater purpose in God’s sovereign plan. Their argument was clear: if Job was suffering, he must have sinned. “Consider now: who, being innocent, has ever perished? Where were the upright ever destroyed?” (Job 4:7). This was the foundational assumption of their theology, and it was utterly false. They took a general principle—that God is just and that He opposes the wicked—and applied it in an absolute and immediate sense, failing to recognize that God's justice is often beyond human comprehension and that His ways cannot be reduced to simplistic formulas.

This error led them into another grave mistake. Not only did they misrepresent the ways of God, but they also slandered Job. Rather than sympathizing with him in his suffering, they accused him of hidden sin. Eliphaz, in his increasing hostility, went so far as to suggest that Job had exploited the poor, withheld food from the hungry, and mistreated widows and orphans (Job 22:5-10). There was no evidence for these charges. They were fabrications, born out of the false assumption that suffering is always the direct result of personal wrongdoing. This is the danger of bad theology—it does not merely lead to error in thought, but to cruelty in practice. When men speak falsely about God, they inevitably treat others unjustly.

Furthermore, Job’s friends spoke with an arrogance that made them blind to the limitations of their own understanding. They claimed to defend the honor of God, but they were, in reality, speaking out of their own ignorance. This is why the Lord declares that Job had spoken rightly about Him, while they had not (Job 42:7). This does not mean that Job had perfect understanding—far from it. He wrestled with God, he lamented, he even questioned divine justice. But Job was honest before God. He did not misrepresent Him. He did not distort His character. In contrast, his friends presumed to speak on God’s behalf with unwarranted confidence. They saw themselves as teachers when they should have been students. They acted as judges when they should have been silent.

This rebuke is reinforced by the fact that God required them to bring a sacrifice and have Job pray for them. Their error was not minor—it was a serious offense against the Lord. Their failure was not merely one of misguided comfort, but of theological misrepresentation. They had presented a distorted picture of God, and for this, they stood condemned. It is a fearful thing to speak falsely in the name of the Lord. One might say that Job’s friends were orthodox in many ways—they believed in God’s justice, they upheld His righteousness, they warned against sin—but they misapplied these truths. They weaponized doctrine rather than using it to bring comfort and hope.

The lesson here is profound. God’s justice is not mechanical, nor is it to be understood in simplistic terms. His ways are higher than ours, and His providence is often inscrutable. Suffering is not always a result of personal sin. To assume so is to fall into the same grievous error as Job’s friends. We must be careful, therefore, not to speak where God has not spoken, and not to claim certainty where He has left mystery. There is a humility that must accompany all true knowledge of God, a recognition that His purposes are beyond our grasp.

Above all, the book of Job reminds us that God alone is the rightful interpreter of His own actions. The human mind, no matter how learned or sophisticated, cannot grasp the fullness of divine wisdom. Job’s friends sought to defend God's justice, but in their efforts, they became guilty of falsehood. Job, despite all his questions and struggles, ultimately submitted to the wisdom of God. He repented in dust and ashes, recognizing his own limitations. This is the posture that every believer must take—a posture of reverent submission, acknowledging that God is sovereign and that His ways are good, even when they are beyond our understanding.

In the end, it is better to suffer in honest perplexity, as Job did, than to speak with false confidence, as his friends did. True wisdom begins with humility. The Lord does not ask us to have all the answers, but He does demand that we trust Him. The failure of Job’s friends is a warning to all who would presume to speak in God's name: let us take care, for we will be held accountable for every word.
 
I worry about this myself some. It freezes some people I have met in some kind of terror of sharing the Gospel lest their words be misunderstood, I'm actually surprised some people share with anyone because they seem too worried.

But I don't have this fear.. is that just because I'm stupid? Maybe...

I just think at some point we have to trust God to preserve His Word and go forth and speaking anyway yes?

I learn the most, most quickly by engaging with others because Scriptures come to my mind. I often learn from my own words in the moment of speaking. (It works best when I'm not taking anything for pain).

But the fear of others gives me some pause too I hate to offend God, and I worry because my language is often lacking.

But perhaps this is a conundrum we all face, it is scary to be on the wrong side of God. I just don't suppose I know how we know we are supposed to speak to others about our faith.

God definitely wants us speaking. I would say wait for God to call us but I think he calls all of us the day we are saved, doesn't He? That does seem universal.

I think some people are just afraid. If you bring it up they go straight to explaining the judgement of God and millstones.

But I just trust God to preserve His Word. I mean wow... 2,000 years and it's still here and living and breathing. Too cool to listen to a pastor speak from hundreds of years ago and know they know your God, unchanged. It's a miracle in itself.

But maybe I'm just thinking about it incorrectly.
 
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There are times with me, and in forums especially, that I wonder how we dare to even speak of God, declaring what he is saying. And yet that is the means by which we expound of Scripture and learn and even teach. All means God gives.

But we must all be careful to think about what we are saying and how we are saying, checking it in our mind and with the scriptures, before we speak or write. Making sure we are in no way offending him or presenting unsupported and unsupportable opinions. Or attacking another in what amounts to "in his name". It is possible to grow calluses in this area and we must be careful to not let that happen. By the grace of God and for his namesake, the Holy Spirit is always standing beside us, if we but listen and humble ourselves in obedience.
 
There are times with me, and in forums especially, that I wonder how we dare to even speak of God, declaring what he is saying. And yet that is the means by which we expound of Scripture and learn and even teach. All means God gives.

But we must all be careful to think about what we are saying and how we are saying, checking it in our mind and with the scriptures, before we speak or write. Making sure we are in no way offending him or presenting unsupported and unsupportable opinions. Or attacking another in what amounts to "in his name". It is possible to grow calluses in this area and we must be careful to not let that happen. By the grace of God and for his namesake, the Holy Spirit is always standing beside us, if we but listen and humble ourselves in obedience.

This is an excellent reminder, probably something to pin to the wall here..

I did similar when I was saved, I sticky noted Bible verses everywhere - even on the bathroom mirror - about Christ's strength (all things are possible; those I have set free are free etc).

I guess I can sticky note helpful speaking online tips until they are natural...
 
I worry about this myself some. It freezes some people I have met in some kind of terror of sharing the gospel, lest their words be misunderstood. I'm actually surprised some people share with anyone because they seem too worried.

But I don't have this fear. Is that just because I'm stupid? Maybe.

I just think, at some point, we have to trust God to preserve his word and go forth and speaking anyway. Yes?

This is why I never fear in sharing the gospel. This passage was pivotal for me, particularly the last sentence.

1 Corinthians 2:1-5 When I came to you, brothers and sisters, I did not come with superior eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed the testimony of God. For I decided to be concerned about nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and with much trembling. My conversation and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not be based on human wisdom but on the power of God.
 
This is why I never fear in sharing the gospel. This passage was pivotal for me, particularly the last sentence.
1 Corinthians 2:1-5 When I came to you, brothers and sisters, I did not come with superior eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed the testimony of God. For I decided to be concerned about nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and with much trembling. My conversation and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not be based on human wisdom but on the power of God.​


Ahhh.... Excellent point! Excellent indeed.
 
To me, the error of Job's friends was that they should have come and " 🤗 comforted 🤗 " Job for the troubles that had befallen him but instead they 😡 condemned 😡 him of a sin they had no knowledge of him doing (accusing him with no proof).
They couldn't tell Job of any sin he had committed but told him he "deserved" what he was getting because of a sin he must have committed.
They assumed that since trouble had befallen Job then it could only be for a sin he had committed.
The key word being "only", for they could certainly find scriptures that showed troubles befalling a person for a sin they committed.
The problem was they based their theology on cherry picked scriptures because one could just as easily find scriptures of one of which no trouble befell them for a sin they committed.
"It rains upon the just and unjust alike, and the sun shines on the just and unjust alike."
 
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As Christians, we are called to be partakers in Christ's suffering. It can cost us everything that matters from the worlds perspective. Like material things, reputations, and even our lives. I've found that to be the norm, nowadays. Reputations go easy in this world. That's the cost that Jesus said we should count before we come to Him in faith. The retirement plan is excellent, though. :) Job was an example of that. Jesus said that a light doesn't hide under the table, right? It's easy to point a finger at someone from under the table while they are taking all the hits.


The world is going to be offended no matter what we do. If we preach, or even show what the world wants to suppress, the truth, then there's going to be problems. I think that's the blessing, if we really want to be used for the Kingdom. The modern day way of thinking, like unity at the expense of truth, or even the prosperity Gospel, really paints 'a God blesses those who obey and have a pure faith' idea, but maybe in the wrong way. Which was the exact mentality that Jobs friends had.

Anyways, I just wrote the word "nowadays" and got no red spell checker scribble. It must really be a word. I never knew....:D

Dave
 
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As Christians, we are called to be partakers in Christ's suffering. It can cost us everything that matters from the worlds perspective. Like material things, reputations, and even our lives. I've found that to be the norm, nowadays. Reputations go easy in this world. That's the cost that Jesus said we should count before we come to Him in faith. The retirement plan is excellent, though. :) Job was an example of that. Jesus said that a light doesn't hide under the table, right? It's easy to point a finger at someone from under the table while they are taking all the hits.


The world is going to be offended no matter what we do. If we preach, or even show what the world wants to suppress, the truth, then there's going to be problems. I think that's the blessing, if we really want to be used for the Kingdom. The modern day way of thinking, like unity at the expense of truth, or even the prosperity Gospel, really paints 'a God blesses those who obey and have a pure faith' idea, but maybe in the wrong way. Which was the exact mentality that Jobs friends had.

Anyways, I just wrote the word "nowadays" and got no red spell checker scribble. It must really be a word. I never knew....:D

Dave

Spell check is intuitive and predictive I believe, in other words it learns how you speak. If "nowadays" is something you say sometimes it will just add it to the dictionary for you so you don't have to fight with spell check every time you write it.

As for your post I would pray that Christ strengthen us for His good purpose when our hour is called upon that we may have peace in the call.

His promises are true.

God is a very rational God, it is that man is irrational and call good for evil and evil for good. I like what you said about materialism, totally true. We cling to temporal things when we truly only have that which is Eternal for a lifeline, because only that is Life. It sounds overly philosophical and kind of odd to say but it's true nonetheless. The Bible teaches it.

The elect are the elect and I don't want to make assumptions about anyone, but it's fair to say some ideologies trying to pass for Christian are clearly incorrect.

I think we can try to be the good example though, at least that. Since in life my super power was being a bad example, I am now FULL of cautionary tales .. hahaha

God uses us one way or the other, may as well make it something good for a change.
 
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Hi Hazelelponi

I didn't know that about the spell checker. Cool, I think I'll try to create a word by saying it over and over. "flibbertigibbet". That was fast. Oops, like, someone created that one already. :oops: Yep, it means "a frivolous, flighty, or excessively talkative person." But like, when we create a word, how does the spell checker know what it means? lol This is all so confusing.

I think that our enemy uses our desire to be kind and loving against us, though. We want to be kind, loving, and never go beyond what God has revealed. But Satan likes to plant doubt. And todays political correctness will call us unloving, etc. just to silence us, as Macarthur said, false doctrine cries the loudest about unity, love, and acceptance, because it cannot survive when it is scrutinized. Two sides to every coin, I suppose.

Dave
 
Hi Hazelelponi

I didn't know that about the spell checker. Cool, I think I'll try to create a word by saying it over and over. "flibbertigibbet". That was fast. Oops, like, someone created that one already. :oops: Yep, it means "a frivolous, flighty, or excessively talkative person." But like, when we create a word, how does the spell checker know what it means? lol This is all so confusing.

I think that our enemy uses our desire to be kind and loving against us, though. We want to be kind, loving, and never go beyond what God has revealed. But Satan likes to plant doubt. And todays political correctness will call us unloving, etc. just to silence us, as Macarthur said, false doctrine cries the loudest about unity, love, and acceptance, because it cannot survive when it is scrutinized. Two sides to every coin, I suppose.

Dave

At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book [.....] And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever."

We see the stars best in the darkness...

And the knowledge that leads to wisdom is the knowledge of God. Proverbs 9:10

It got dark out, and I can see the stars now.

Unity is good, if it's the right kind of unity and love is good when it's the right kind of love. It's when they are turned on their heads that it's bad, and the world is stood on it's head.

We stand in front of hell in an effort to hold it back until all God's people are saved. That's all.
 
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Without a doubt, Jobs three friends were mistaken as to the why of Jobs condition. And God chastized them for it. (Job 42:7-9) But none can doubt their friendship towards Job. Seven days and nights they sat with Job without speaking, not knowing what to say. (Job 2:11-13)

Something to consider: They had no Bible, no written revelation from God at this time. There is no mention of any Law of Moses or the Priesthood, etc. A time much like that of Abraham, and Melchizedek, and others.

Many of the things Job's friends said were true, but they just didn't apply to Job. We should remember that Job too, though he knew he didn't sin, didn't understand why this was happening to him, and questioned God about it. Plus, how about that wife of Job. (Job 2:9) "Then said his wife unto him, Dost thu still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die." What a help meet. Makes you wonder why God didn't kill her also.

It's my opinion that had this occurred to one of Job's three friends instead, that Job would have come to the same conclusions the three friends did.

So I don't think Job's three friends should be used as a reason not to give advice concerning what we know about God. Nor should it be used as a reason not to witness to others about Christ, no matter where one is in their understanding. We give what we know. And if we need correcting, I trust God will do it. Remembering (2 Cor. 13:8) "For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth."

My opinion.

Lees
 
I think this should make any of us who post here pause for thought. Myself more than anyone.



The Failure of Job’s Friends: A Warning Against Misrepresenting God

One of the most striking elements of the book of Job is the way in which Job’s friends attempt to console him, only to earn the rebuke of God. Their words, though often clothed in the language of wisdom, ultimately misrepresented the nature of divine justice and providence. At the conclusion of the book, the Lord speaks directly to Eliphaz, one of the friends, and declares, “My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has” (Job 42:7). These are sobering words. They remind us that it is not enough to speak about God—we must speak rightly about Him. The failure of Job’s friends, therefore, stands as a warning against theological presumption, a call to humility, and a summons to a deeper reverence for the wisdom of God.

At the heart of their error was a rigid and simplistic understanding of God’s justice. Job’s friends assumed a strict system of retribution: the righteous are always blessed, and the wicked are always punished. In their minds, there was no room for mystery, no allowance for divine testing, no recognition that suffering could serve a greater purpose in God’s sovereign plan. Their argument was clear: if Job was suffering, he must have sinned. “Consider now: who, being innocent, has ever perished? Where were the upright ever destroyed?” (Job 4:7). This was the foundational assumption of their theology, and it was utterly false. They took a general principle—that God is just and that He opposes the wicked—and applied it in an absolute and immediate sense, failing to recognize that God's justice is often beyond human comprehension and that His ways cannot be reduced to simplistic formulas.

This error led them into another grave mistake. Not only did they misrepresent the ways of God, but they also slandered Job. Rather than sympathizing with him in his suffering, they accused him of hidden sin. Eliphaz, in his increasing hostility, went so far as to suggest that Job had exploited the poor, withheld food from the hungry, and mistreated widows and orphans (Job 22:5-10). There was no evidence for these charges. They were fabrications, born out of the false assumption that suffering is always the direct result of personal wrongdoing. This is the danger of bad theology—it does not merely lead to error in thought, but to cruelty in practice. When men speak falsely about God, they inevitably treat others unjustly.

Furthermore, Job’s friends spoke with an arrogance that made them blind to the limitations of their own understanding. They claimed to defend the honor of God, but they were, in reality, speaking out of their own ignorance. This is why the Lord declares that Job had spoken rightly about Him, while they had not (Job 42:7). This does not mean that Job had perfect understanding—far from it. He wrestled with God, he lamented, he even questioned divine justice. But Job was honest before God. He did not misrepresent Him. He did not distort His character. In contrast, his friends presumed to speak on God’s behalf with unwarranted confidence. They saw themselves as teachers when they should have been students. They acted as judges when they should have been silent.

This rebuke is reinforced by the fact that God required them to bring a sacrifice and have Job pray for them. Their error was not minor—it was a serious offense against the Lord. Their failure was not merely one of misguided comfort, but of theological misrepresentation. They had presented a distorted picture of God, and for this, they stood condemned. It is a fearful thing to speak falsely in the name of the Lord. One might say that Job’s friends were orthodox in many ways—they believed in God’s justice, they upheld His righteousness, they warned against sin—but they misapplied these truths. They weaponized doctrine rather than using it to bring comfort and hope.

The lesson here is profound. God’s justice is not mechanical, nor is it to be understood in simplistic terms. His ways are higher than ours, and His providence is often inscrutable. Suffering is not always a result of personal sin. To assume so is to fall into the same grievous error as Job’s friends. We must be careful, therefore, not to speak where God has not spoken, and not to claim certainty where He has left mystery. There is a humility that must accompany all true knowledge of God, a recognition that His purposes are beyond our grasp.

Above all, the book of Job reminds us that God alone is the rightful interpreter of His own actions. The human mind, no matter how learned or sophisticated, cannot grasp the fullness of divine wisdom. Job’s friends sought to defend God's justice, but in their efforts, they became guilty of falsehood. Job, despite all his questions and struggles, ultimately submitted to the wisdom of God. He repented in dust and ashes, recognizing his own limitations. This is the posture that every believer must take—a posture of reverent submission, acknowledging that God is sovereign and that His ways are good, even when they are beyond our understanding.

In the end, it is better to suffer in honest perplexity, as Job did, than to speak with false confidence, as his friends did. True wisdom begins with humility. The Lord does not ask us to have all the answers, but He does demand that we trust Him. The failure of Job’s friends is a warning to all who would presume to speak in God's name: let us take care, for we will be held accountable for every word.
It's curious to me how, after reprimanding Job so severely for his rash (no pun intended) speech concerning God's dealing with him, that God reprimanded Job's friends, saying that they had not told the truth but that Job had —even when Job talked about what was happening to him was from the Lord (he did not say that it was from Satan).

I'm pretty sure that what God was talking about is something you mentioned, that life is not only karma and obedience>blessing, but all only according to the mercy of God and his sovereign purposes—life being about God, and not about self. Look at Job's deep desire for the very God to whom he attributed his suffering. "Though he slay me, yet will I trust him".

Job 19:

25 I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!
 
Is Karma just another way of saying that 'you reap what you sow'?

Dave
 
Is Karma just another way of saying that 'you reap what you sow'?

Dave
IMO it is a term that should never come from a Christian if they are giving any thought to what they say. I am sure he means it as you reap what you sow. But this is the definition of karma:



noun​

  1. The totality of a person's actions and conduct during successive incarnations, regarded as causally influencing his or her destiny.
  2. The law or principle through which such influence is believed to operate.
  3. Fate or destiny resulting from one's previous actions.
It is often used in casual conversation even when a person does not know of its association with reincarnation. But even then it is used in the sense of The Universe. You reap what you sow on the other hand is a principle of God and God causal. With seeds and harvest and actions of men.
 
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Is Karma just another way of saying that 'you reap what you sow'?

Dave
That's pretty much what most people mean by it, I think. Though their use of it generally tries to render it impersonal, yet moral.
 
IMO it is a term that should never come from a Christian if they are giving any thought to what they say. I am sure he means it as you reap what you sow. But this @Lees is the definition of karma:



noun​

  1. The totality of a person's actions and conduct during successive incarnations, regarded as causally influencing his or her destiny.
  2. The law or principle through which such influence is believed to operate.
  3. Fate or destiny resulting from one's previous actions.
It is often used in casual conversation even when a person does not know of its association with reincarnation. But even then it is used in the sense of The Universe. You reap what you sow on the other hand is a principle of God and God causal. With seeds and harvest and actions of men.
I used it to present the common notion of "you reap what you sow" as simply an impersonal universal, and specifically NOT a valid way of looking at a cause-and-effect relationship of Job's problems resulting from his sin, but only, rather, the way Job's friends seemed to think.

There is nothing wrong with the term coming from the mouth of a Christian, if they are referencing it in a disparaging way.

But perhaps I should have been more clear.
 
IMO it is a term that should never come from a Christian if they are giving any thought to what they say. I am sure he means it as you reap what you sow. But this is the definition of karma:



noun​

  1. The totality of a person's actions and conduct during successive incarnations, regarded as causally influencing his or her destiny.
  2. The law or principle through which such influence is believed to operate.
  3. Fate or destiny resulting from one's previous actions.
It is often used in casual conversation even when a person does not know of its association with reincarnation. But even then it is used in the sense of The Universe. You reap what you sow on the other hand is a principle of God and God causal. With seeds and harvest and actions of men.

You mentioned me in a post. Where? I don't see it save in @makesends quote in post #(17)

And there, I don't see why I am mentioned.

Lees
 
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You mentioned me in a post. Where? I don't see it save in @makesends quote in post #(17)

And there, I don't see why I am mentioned.

Lees
It was a case of me attributing a post to the wrong person in my response. Which is why I corrected it.
 
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