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The assembling of the "temple of God"...but where?

TATII

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Ok…there appears to be many who see the scriptural authority for the building another temple predominantly in Israel. These folks cite verses as constituting a plan, command, vision, instruction, concept, as inspiration of some type…for Israel and its constituency to build another temple.

While I can agree that the prospect of building a modern day temple (3rd) is plausible…I have not actually seen that laid out in scripture…though it may actually be there…no one has shown me the “Christ ordained order” to do it.

Typically from what I have seen there is only “inference” to the building of a temple in Israel drawn out from ones interpretation of the given texts…most references given are no different as I see it. Let’s look deeper into the idea of temple.

First we need to consider the word “temple” in the New Testament as it has been translated…almost exclusively…into “two” words in the Greek…I am working out of the KJV here as a note.

Additionally, these are really the only two references to “temple” found in the New Testament…with the latter word…the only word for “temple” found in the book Revelation…this matters.

G2411 “hieron”…a temple, either the whole building, or specifically the outer courts, open to worshippers. The entire Temple complex, i.e. all its enclosures (precincts, courtyards) and the central sanctuary.

G3485 “naos” that part of the temple where God himself resides. Properly…divine dwelling-place…the place of divine manifestation. With just its two inner compartments (rooms). Consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies.

If the difference between specific definitions of the word “temple” means nothing to someone studying the bible…well then…they are able to frame their interpretation in any manner that suits them…and that may leave one with an incomplete or inaccurate interpretation…if that really matters.

Now let’s consider the a couple references that help us define what is meant by “temple” in reference to the “temple of God.”All would do well to follow this out…there is a simplicity to these passages that many have overlooked…I have taken the time to open up to you in a greater light…some understanding…hope you grasp it. 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-4

“Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,

2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 3 & 4…this is in regard to the “Lords coming”first in the progression here is the “apostasy”…this is a “falling away”…one cannot “fall away” from a thing…unless they were once “a part” of…the thing.

What is it that Paul is referring to as “that” from which there will be a “falling away…from?” Clearly it is from the “Kingdom of God and the Lord”…so prior to the Lord’s return…Paul is telling us that the “first” thing we will see…is people once formerly in the “house of God or the Body of Christ…departing the faith”…in other words they will be leaving via deception…thinking the Lord Yahshua is leading them in this.

Interestingly enough Paul is the one who teaches us…if the Spirit of God dwells in us…”we are a temple of God”…for further clarification on the matter…Paul wrote…”do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?” That is very clear and straight forward…only the deceived trip on this definition of “temple.”

He does not stop there…in Ephesians he writes this…”you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household…in the “house of God.” Which house…has been “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone”…the “house of God” also known as “the temple of God”…is on a firm foundation…in Christ.

Paul continues here in Ephesians 2 by writing…”in whom the whole building [the house/temple of God] being fitted together [the temple of God that is being built] is growing into a holy temple in the Lord The “Body of Christ”…is being built into the holy temple of God and because Paul is referring to humanity living on the earth in his day and up to today and yet future…the Lord is yet building “His Holy Temple.”

This is the only “temple” we need to concern ourselves with ever
…do not be deceived beloved.

He does not stop there in Ephesians however…Paul concludes in verse 22 in this fashion…”in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.” This “temple of God” is such because…wherever the “Spirit of God dwells”…is “His Holy Temple.”

This is the term “naos” G3485… the place of divine manifestation…and this is the word Paul is using here. He is not referencing a “physical temple” that is the word “hieron” G2411 look for yourself.

Tatwo...:)
 
Ok…so it should be clear to the maturing “sons of God” that today…that the “only…temple in which God has interest is…His own”…that is the “dwelling place of His Holy Spirit”…which is “His people”…the “temple of God” on earth and in heaven is in “His people.”

It is this temple from which the “apostasy” takes place…it has to do with people “leaving the spiritual temple of God”…on earth…from Paul’s day up to today and in the future.

Now to finish 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 3 & 4…“and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship”

Now that we are armed with a more “complete understanding” of exactly what constitutes “God’s Holy Temple”…which is described as what one is “apostatizing or falling away” from…then brings into view according to brother Paul…the cause of the “falling away”…it is…the “revealing” of one “who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship.” The liar…remember this is all upon the church.

So…is it too much a stretch for me to say…that this character…the “man of lawlessness” exults…opposes…deems himself as greater than God and His dwelling place or “His Holy Temple?”

No…no it is not a stretch at all…in fact…that…among other things…is exactly what Paul is telling us. This “lawless one” attempts to exult himself above “all other gods”…this includes the God and Father of our Lord Yahshua Christ and His creation.

What does this do for the “apostasy” but continuously inspire it all the greater? Once it gets to the fullness of its appearance…for those who are falling away…he…the “man of lawlessness” appears as “god.” This is exactly what Paul is revealing to us…and thus…this understanding will give a greater understanding of the following passage from…2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 4b.

“So that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”

We have already understood the “temple of God” as “His Spirit dwelling in and among His household and people.”

We also understand that it is the “temple of God” from which one can “fall away” that constitutes the “apostasy” that Paul reveals to us.

We understand that it is the “deceptive” work…“as God”…of this “man of lawlessness” that causes people formerly in the “temple of God” to reject God leave the temple and follow him all the while “thinking” they are obeying Christ…massive deception in play here.

So…”a people” who were once “the temple of God”…who “fall away” from or leave the only “temple of God” there is…which is the dwelling place of Gods Holy Spirit…are deceived by this “man of lawlessness”…into believing that…“he is God”…thereby completing the transition from actually being in the “temple of God” into the “temple of the false god”…as God…in their minds…without their realizing this…which is what Paul has communicated here in 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-4

It is in this…that we see the “man of lawlessness…taking his seat in the temple of God””displaying himself as being God.” Of course at some point this one is no longer in “temple of God” in Christ.

This “man of lawlessness” precipitates the ”falling away…the apostasy”…which causes people who were “formerly” in the Kingdom of God…to acquiesce to the belief that he…this “man of lawlessness” is God…and this happens in “their minds”…their thoughts are co-opted through an invisible spiritual deception…that by definition…is completely unbeknownst to the apostate…think about that for just a moment.

They go on believing and living like they are “in Christ”…as members of His body…and are now tragically and unaware that they are trapped in an inverse reality…and in darkness as they see this “man of lawlessness” as their God.

I will say this…for those multitudes who are in some form or fashion yet watching for this “man of lawlessness” to be revealed or appear…by the time…you…“see” him as he is…your deception will be complete…and you will obey his rule in your life in the form of worship to your god.

If you have not yet seen this one the “man of lawlessness”…brother, sister…you are being deceived by him…simply because he has you looking forward in time to his appearance…as though he has not yet arrived…that is the power of his covert nature and operation. Few ever say…”oh hey…I am deceived.”

Clearly the Lord Yahshua would have absolutely no need to ever authorize another temple and has not done this…so if it was a god who has authorized it…look at the “man of lawlessness.”

Understand that believing in the word of the “man of lawlessness”...which is really nothing less than a manipulation of scripture to suit “his deceptive desire” which is “pleasing to his followers” they love his voice…it makes them feel like god. Same ploy worked on Adam and Eve…he has been at it since the Garden of Eden.

Do not be deceived…

Tatwo...:)
 
Ok…so it should be clear to the maturing “sons of God” that today…that the “only…temple in which God has interest is…His own”…that is the “dwelling place of His Holy Spirit”…which is “His people”…the “temple of God” on earth and in heaven is in “His people.”

It is this temple from which the “apostasy” takes place…it has to do with people “leaving the spiritual temple of God”…on earth…from Paul’s day up to today and in the future.

Now to finish 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 3 & 4…“and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship”

Now that we are armed with a more “complete understanding” of exactly what constitutes “God’s Holy Temple”…which is described as what one is “apostatizing or falling away” from…then brings into view according to brother Paul…the cause of the “falling away”…it is…the “revealing” of one “who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship.” The liar…remember this is all upon the church.

So…is it too much a stretch for me to say…that this character…the “man of lawlessness” exults…opposes…deems himself as greater than God and His dwelling place or “His Holy Temple?”

No…no it is not a stretch at all…in fact…that…among other things…is exactly what Paul is telling us. This “lawless one” attempts to exult himself above “all other gods”…this includes the God and Father of our Lord Yahshua Christ and His creation.

What does this do for the “apostasy” but continuously inspire it all the greater? Once it gets to the fullness of its appearance…for those who are falling away…he…the “man of lawlessness” appears as “god.” This is exactly what Paul is revealing to us…and thus…this understanding will give a greater understanding of the following passage from…2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 4b.

“So that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”

We have already understood the “temple of God” as “His Spirit dwelling in and among His household and people.”

We also understand that it is the “temple of God” from which one can “fall away” that constitutes the “apostasy” that Paul reveals to us.

We understand that it is the “deceptive” work…“as God”…of this “man of lawlessness” that causes people formerly in the “temple of God” to reject God leave the temple and follow him all the while “thinking” they are obeying Christ…massive deception in play here.

So…”a people” who were once “the temple of God”…who “fall away” from or leave the only “temple of God” there is…which is the dwelling place of Gods Holy Spirit…are deceived by this “man of lawlessness”…into believing that…“he is God”…thereby completing the transition from actually being in the “temple of God” into the “temple of the false god”…as God…in their minds…without their realizing this…which is what Paul has communicated here in 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-4

It is in this…that we see the “man of lawlessness…taking his seat in the temple of God””displaying himself as being God.” Of course at some point this one is no longer in “temple of God” in Christ.

This “man of lawlessness” precipitates the ”falling away…the apostasy”…which causes people who were “formerly” in the Kingdom of God…to acquiesce to the belief that he…this “man of lawlessness” is God…and this happens in “their minds”…their thoughts are co-opted through an invisible spiritual deception…that by definition…is completely unbeknownst to the apostate…think about that for just a moment.

They go on believing and living like they are “in Christ”…as members of His body…and are now tragically and unaware that they are trapped in an inverse reality…and in darkness as they see this “man of lawlessness” as their God.

I will say this…for those multitudes who are in some form or fashion yet watching for this “man of lawlessness” to be revealed or appear…by the time…you…“see” him as he is…your deception will be complete…and you will obey his rule in your life in the form of worship to your god.

If you have not yet seen this one the “man of lawlessness”…brother, sister…you are being deceived by him…simply because he has you looking forward in time to his appearance…as though he has not yet arrived…that is the power of his covert nature and operation. Few ever say…”oh hey…I am deceived.”

Clearly the Lord Yahshua would have absolutely no need to ever authorize another temple and has not done this…so if it was a god who has authorized it…look at the “man of lawlessness.”

Understand that believing in the word of the “man of lawlessness”...which is really nothing less than a manipulation of scripture to suit “his deceptive desire” which is “pleasing to his followers” they love his voice…it makes them feel like god. Same ploy worked on Adam and Eve…he has been at it since the Garden of Eden.

Do not be deceived…

Tatwo...:)

There is prob no need to do this to 2Th2. There was an event in the 1st cent Judea and Dan 8 set it up. It was a major revolt from what Israel was meant to do and they were crushed for it.

It helps to listen for how directly Paul or etc is speaking. He simply wanted to answer the concern about their friends or family believers who might die before Christs return.

This means 2 things: the return was expected soon and 2nd, the horrible person mentioned was as well. It is not truly a description of our age or its ending.
 
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I have studied this question for 5 years. Here is were the Temple belongs, not on the so-called Temple Mount.
The Jewish Sanhedrin returned from exile for over a 1000 years, in 1212 AD, no one knew for sure, were the
Temple should be Placed. So the had 4 places that they thought might be the place, so they had an election,
and chose the wrong place.
 
Ok…there appears to be many who see the scriptural authority for the building another temple predominantly in Israel. These folks cite verses as constituting a plan, command, vision, instruction, concept, as inspiration of some type…for Israel and its constituency to build another temple.

While I can agree that the prospect of building a modern day temple (3rd) is plausible…I have not actually seen that laid out in scripture…though it may actually be there…no one has shown me the “Christ ordained order” to do it.

Typically from what I have seen there is only “inference” to the building of a temple in Israel drawn out from ones interpretation of the given texts…most references given are no different as I see it. Let’s look deeper into the idea of temple.

First we need to consider the word “temple” in the New Testament as it has been translated…almost exclusively…into “two” words in the Greek…I am working out of the KJV here as a note.

Additionally, these are really the only two references to “temple” found in the New Testament…with the latter word…the only word for “temple” found in the book Revelation…this matters.

G2411 “hieron”…a temple, either the whole building, or specifically the outer courts, open to worshippers. The entire Temple complex, i.e. all its enclosures (precincts, courtyards) and the central sanctuary.

G3485 “naos” that part of the temple where God himself resides. Properly…divine dwelling-place…the place of divine manifestation. With just its two inner compartments (rooms). Consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies.

If the difference between specific definitions of the word “temple” means nothing to someone studying the bible…well then…they are able to frame their interpretation in any manner that suits them…and that may leave one with an incomplete or inaccurate interpretation…if that really matters.

Now let’s consider the a couple references that help us define what is meant by “temple” in reference to the “temple of God.”All would do well to follow this out…there is a simplicity to these passages that many have overlooked…I have taken the time to open up to you in a greater light…some understanding…hope you grasp it. 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-4

“Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,

2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 3 & 4…this is in regard to the “Lords coming”first in the progression here is the “apostasy”…this is a “falling away”…one cannot “fall away” from a thing…unless they were once “a part” of…the thing.

What is it that Paul is referring to as “that” from which there will be a “falling away…from?” Clearly it is from the “Kingdom of God and the Lord”…so prior to the Lord’s return…Paul is telling us that the “first” thing we will see…is people once formerly in the “house of God or the Body of Christ…departing the faith”…in other words they will be leaving via deception…thinking the Lord Yahshua is leading them in this.

Interestingly enough Paul is the one who teaches us…if the Spirit of God dwells in us…”we are a temple of God”…for further clarification on the matter…Paul wrote…”do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?” That is very clear and straight forward…only the deceived trip on this definition of “temple.”

He does not stop there…in Ephesians he writes this…”you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household…in the “house of God.” Which house…has been “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone”…the “house of God” also known as “the temple of God”…is on a firm foundation…in Christ.

Paul continues here in Ephesians 2 by writing…”in whom the whole building [the house/temple of God] being fitted together [the temple of God that is being built] is growing into a holy temple in the Lord The “Body of Christ”…is being built into the holy temple of God and because Paul is referring to humanity living on the earth in his day and up to today and yet future…the Lord is yet building “His Holy Temple.”

This is the only “temple” we need to concern ourselves with ever
…do not be deceived beloved.

He does not stop there in Ephesians however…Paul concludes in verse 22 in this fashion…”in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.” This “temple of God” is such because…wherever the “Spirit of God dwells”…is “His Holy Temple.”

This is the term “naos” G3485… the place of divine manifestation…and this is the word Paul is using here. He is not referencing a “physical temple” that is the word “hieron” G2411 look for yourself.

Tatwo...:)
You might find this interesting. The original explanation heard was much better than what I can present...but,

The verse has been translated like this:
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

The word in question is rebellion....some translations use "apostasy". Some use "falling away" while others use "revolt".

What's interesting is that the Geneva Bible 1587 translated it as follows...
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

2nd Thes 2 starts out with "1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, "

What is meant by "gathered together"?....Is this the rapture spoken about in 1 Thes 4 and Paul was telling them that event hasn't happened yet? Then Paul goes on to say in verse 3 that the departing (rapture) will occur prior to the anti-christ being revealed and takes his seat in the (rebuilt) temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

From what I have been told is that the RC Church assigned the meaning of the word "apostasia" to represent some sort of rebellion then claimed that represented the Protestant movement of that time.
 
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Why did the JEWS eliminate the 600 foot Colonnades ? ? ? Because it was reported by Josephus and he was considered to be a traitor by the Jews. At the age of 14, he was a Councilor to the King of Israel. Probably around 30 years of age, he took a job as Jewish Historian, and proceeded to work that job diligently. Shortly after taking that job as Jewish Historian, he became a Christian, and that is why they almost all turned against him. Josephus was a total outcast and almost every Jew would not read his History.

I also put Picture to the bottom left. They are the most common pictures of the X Legion banners. But look at this Picture with NO Wild Boar, or a Picture of a Steer, NOT AT ALL. It is a Saddle and a Horse:

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This would have been the perfect decoration for the wall going up to the Second Floor, as there were 300 horses stabled, on the southeast corner of the First Floor of the So-Called Temple Mount. Yes, I found an order from the Emperor were he ordered that 300 horses were part of every Legion.
 
I forgot to mention, the Josephus was employed as Jewish Historian for the ROMAN LEGION X.
 
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I put a great deal of info on this picture, and then went back and put more on it. ALL OF IT IS AS TRUE AS I COULD MAKE IT.
Notice the Colonnades (covered walkways, with two each for foot traffic, Top and Next Floor below that). That is how it can
it can be 600 Feet, with the angle. After 70 AD, they would have been Obsolete, as there was nothing their, they were dismantled.
Here is what they may have Looked like:
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Ok…there appears to be many who see the scriptural authority for the building another temple predominantly in Israel. These folks cite verses as constituting a plan, command, vision, instruction, concept, as inspiration of some type…for Israel and its constituency to build another temple.

While I can agree that the prospect of building a modern day temple (3rd) is plausible…I have not actually seen that laid out in scripture…though it may actually be there…no one has shown me the “Christ ordained order” to do it.

Typically from what I have seen there is only “inference” to the building of a temple in Israel drawn out from ones interpretation of the given texts…most references given are no different as I see it. Let’s look deeper into the idea of temple.

First we need to consider the word “temple” in the New Testament as it has been translated…almost exclusively…into “two” words in the Greek…I am working out of the KJV here as a note.

Additionally, these are really the only two references to “temple” found in the New Testament…with the latter word…the only word for “temple” found in the book Revelation…this matters.

G2411 “hieron”…a temple, either the whole building, or specifically the outer courts, open to worshippers. The entire Temple complex, i.e. all its enclosures (precincts, courtyards) and the central sanctuary.

G3485 “naos” that part of the temple where God himself resides. Properly…divine dwelling-place…the place of divine manifestation. With just its two inner compartments (rooms). Consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies.

If the difference between specific definitions of the word “temple” means nothing to someone studying the bible…well then…they are able to frame their interpretation in any manner that suits them…and that may leave one with an incomplete or inaccurate interpretation…if that really matters.

Now let’s consider the a couple references that help us define what is meant by “temple” in reference to the “temple of God.”All would do well to follow this out…there is a simplicity to these passages that many have overlooked…I have taken the time to open up to you in a greater light…some understanding…hope you grasp it. 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-4

“Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,

2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 3 & 4…this is in regard to the “Lords coming”first in the progression here is the “apostasy”…this is a “falling away”…one cannot “fall away” from a thing…unless they were once “a part” of…the thing.

What is it that Paul is referring to as “that” from which there will be a “falling away…from?” Clearly it is from the “Kingdom of God and the Lord”…so prior to the Lord’s return…Paul is telling us that the “first” thing we will see…is people once formerly in the “house of God or the Body of Christ…departing the faith”…in other words they will be leaving via deception…thinking the Lord Yahshua is leading them in this.

Interestingly enough Paul is the one who teaches us…if the Spirit of God dwells in us…”we are a temple of God”…for further clarification on the matter…Paul wrote…”do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?” That is very clear and straight forward…only the deceived trip on this definition of “temple.”

He does not stop there…in Ephesians he writes this…”you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household…in the “house of God.” Which house…has been “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone”…the “house of God” also known as “the temple of God”…is on a firm foundation…in Christ.

Paul continues here in Ephesians 2 by writing…”in whom the whole building [the house/temple of God] being fitted together [the temple of God that is being built] is growing into a holy temple in the Lord The “Body of Christ”…is being built into the holy temple of God and because Paul is referring to humanity living on the earth in his day and up to today and yet future…the Lord is yet building “His Holy Temple.”

This is the only “temple” we need to concern ourselves with ever
…do not be deceived beloved.

He does not stop there in Ephesians however…Paul concludes in verse 22 in this fashion…”in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.” This “temple of God” is such because…wherever the “Spirit of God dwells”…is “His Holy Temple.”

This is the term “naos” G3485… the place of divine manifestation…and this is the word Paul is using here. He is not referencing a “physical temple” that is the word “hieron” G2411 look for yourself.

Tatwo...:)

But Thess is not about our future. He was telling them what would happen in the desolating revolt of Dan 8:13. That place would be ruined.

This confirms the wide belief by the apostles that the worldwide judgement would take place right after the destruction of Jerusalem, stated most clearly in Mt 24:29.

But 2 Peter 3 answer why it did not, and a few other passages do as well.

‘Only the Father knows’ means the DofJ could have happened as early as the early years of the church (the last half of the 70th week) or that the world judgement could have happened right after the actual date of the DofJ.

Either way Gods redemptive patience has extended.
 
While I can agree that the prospect of building a modern day temple (3rd) is plausible…
Especially if the Israelis control the site to build it on.

I have not actually seen that laid out in scripture…though it may actually be there…
No, not at all. The temple of God in Rev 11 is the body of Christ on earth, and in heaven to be seen when heaven is opened with the Lord's return.

The assembling og tyhe temple of God on earth, is wheresoever two or three are gathered together in His name Jesus Christ.

no one has shown me the “Christ ordained order” to do it.

Jesus Christ does not order any man to build a temple to and for Him, much less unbelieving Jews, Arabs, nor any other gentile from God.

That temple would be an abomination for sure, but nothing holy about it to stand in.

First we need to consider the word “temple” in the New Testament as it has been translated…almost exclusively…into “two” words in the Greek…I am working out of the KJV here as a note.

Additionally, these are really the only two references to “temple” found in the New Testament…with the latter word…the only word for “temple” found in the book Revelation…this matters.

G2411 “hieron”…a temple, either the whole building, or specifically the outer courts, open to worshippers. The entire Temple complex, i.e. all its enclosures (precincts, courtyards) and the central sanctuary.

G3485 “naos” that part of the temple where God himself resides. Properly…divine dwelling-place…the place of divine manifestation. With just its two inner compartments (rooms). Consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies.

If the difference between specific definitions of the word “temple” means nothing to someone studying the bible…well then…they are able to frame their interpretation in any manner that suits them…and that may leave one with an incomplete or inaccurate interpretation…if that really matters.

Now let’s consider the a couple references that help us define what is meant by “temple” in reference to the “temple of God.”All would do well to follow this out…there is a simplicity to these passages that many have overlooked…I have taken the time to open up to you in a greater light…some understanding…hope you grasp it. 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-4

“Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,

2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 3 & 4…this is in regard to the “Lords coming”first in the progression here is the “apostasy”…this is a “falling away”…one cannot “fall away” from a thing…unless they were once “a part” of…the thing.

What is it that Paul is referring to as “that” from which there will be a “falling away…from?” Clearly it is from the “Kingdom of God and the Lord”…so prior to the Lord’s return…Paul is telling us that the “first” thing we will see…is people once formerly in the “house of God or the Body of Christ…departing the faith”…in other words they will be leaving via deception…thinking the Lord Yahshua is leading them in this.

Interestingly enough Paul is the one who teaches us…if the Spirit of God dwells in us…”we are a temple of God”…for further clarification on the matter…Paul wrote…”do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?” That is very clear and straight forward…only the deceived trip on this definition of “temple.”

He does not stop there…in Ephesians he writes this…”you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household…in the “house of God.” Which house…has been “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone”…the “house of God” also known as “the temple of God”…is on a firm foundation…in Christ.

Paul continues here in Ephesians 2 by writing…”in whom the whole building [the house/temple of God] being fitted together [the temple of God that is being built] is growing into a holy temple in the Lord The “Body of Christ”…is being built into the holy temple of God and because Paul is referring to humanity living on the earth in his day and up to today and yet future…the Lord is yet building “His Holy Temple.”

This is the only “temple” we need to concern ourselves with ever
…do not be deceived beloved.

He does not stop there in Ephesians however…Paul concludes in verse 22 in this fashion…”in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.” This “temple of God” is such because…wherever the “Spirit of God dwells”…is “His Holy Temple.”

This is the term “naos” G3485… the place of divine manifestation…and this is the word Paul is using here. He is not referencing a “physical temple” that is the word “hieron” G2411 look for yourself.
Good research and teaching. Hieron is strictly used for a physical temple, including the one in Jersualem that Jesus offhandedly prophesied would be torn down.

Such temples made with hands ceased being any temple of God, when they crucified the Lord of the temple.

The only next holy temple of God made of stone on earth, will be the Lord's at His return to Jersusalem. It will be holy because the Lord Himself will sit in it with His glory, as prophesied by Ezekiel.
 
No, not at all. The temple of God in Rev 11 is the body of Christ on earth, and in heaven to be seen when heaven is opened with the Lord's return.
Greetings Ghada...

I have been on these forums for many years on and off...I really cannot remember anyone posting this prophetic truth before. I agree with you completely and I have posted it myself but none really get it and many think it is wrong...they just cannot see it.

Can you give me your feelings about the "Man Child" that is birthed forth in chapter 12?

Tatwo...:)
 
Greetings Ghada...

You too.
I have been on these forums for many years on and off...I really cannot remember anyone posting this prophetic truth before. I agree with you completely and I have posted it myself
And I have yet to see anyone agreeing. Good to see.

.but none really get it and many think it is wrong..they just cannot see it.
There are several factors why, but the two biggest ones have to do with tradition and pride. Tradition is hard to break from, and pride does not like correction. Pride also likes things to be more complicated than they are, so that 'figuring it out' is something to be proud of.

But truth is simple, and God does not write Scripture to make things confusing, especially a book of Revelation that is to reveal simple truth. Revelation is the uncovering of mysteries, not the covering them in even greater mystery.

Also, there is the error of interpreting prophecy of Christ, without applying His doctrine to the prophecy. Before Jesus Christ began to build His church on earth, the temple of God was always made with hands, but now we know His temple is made with souls of the saints. Therefore, any prophecy of the NT about His temple, must be the body of Christ on earth and in heaven.

By doctrine of Christ, the temple of God revealed in Rev 11 must be the body of Christ on earth. It certainly can't be made with hands of men, and especially not by wicked hands that would crucify the Son coming in the flesh today, even as their forefathers did.

And then there's the whole 'end times' fascination with seeing these things come to pass in their own generation, such as the unbelieving Jews building another stupid temple of their own. I mean, they're still wailing over a part of wall left over from Herod's temple.

It's not that they can't or even won't, but it certainly isn't going to be any temple God calls His own. Nor will it be any temple Jesus Christ 'converts' to His own at the beginning of His millennial reign on earth.

We know from prophecy in Ezekiel and Zech 6, that the Lord will build His millennial temple and house in Jersualem from rubble, and with the help of men coming from afar.


Can you give me your feelings about the "Man Child" that is birthed forth in chapter 12?
Rev 12:5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

It's obviously the birth of Jesus Christ, since He is the only One to inherit and rule all nations on earth. His resurrected saints will rule with Him, but only over cities of reward for serving Him faithfully today.

Satan not only had Herod kill children of Jews, in order to kill the child Jesus, but the devil also immediately tempted the Lord Jesus to defile Himself after the baptism of John.

What do you make of the temple in heaven opened with the ark seen in it?

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

This is after the Lord's return and first resurrection of His saints. And He inherits the nations of the earth, to make them His kingdom on earth.

You men tattoo?
 
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