Still Sinning After Becoming Born Again.

[Ritajanice]

Please explain this summary that I found online, ?

Which by the way, makes perfect sense to me?

Do Born Again Christians Have a Sinful Nature?​

Jesus said, “If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.” Mark 3:25
Do born again Christians have a sinful nature? Absolutely not! The Bible is very straightforward on this. Yet many Christians mistakenly think they have two natures within them, a new nature and a sin nature, which war against each other. They believe that their new nature loves God and wants to practice righteousness but that their old sinful nature loves sin and wants to practice lawlessness. They think that their Christian life reflects whichever of their two natures they yield themselves to the most. This lie is one of the greatest deceptions the devil has “sold” to the church and many Christians have bought this lie. Tragically, these Christians are then overcome by sin because they do not understand or believe the truth about Christ’s triumph on the cross.
Jesus Christ said if you know the truth of His Word, He will free you from slavery to sin (John 8:31-36). With this in mind, let us look at three Scriptures that plainly state we no longer have a sinful nature after we are born of the Spirit. Here is the first one: “We know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be removed so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died has been freed from sin (Romans 6:6-7).” Here is the second one: “You are not in the flesh (the sinful nature) but inthe Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you (Romans 8:9). And here is the third one: “In Him you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of flesh (the sinful nature), by the circumcision of Christ (Colossians 2:11).” In all three verses, the apostle Paul teaches that we no longer have a sinful nature after we are born again of God’s Spirit.
The Bible contains two powerful pictures to show us that our sinful nature was removed from us when we were born again. Circumcision was the seal of righteousness in the Old Covenant. In circumcision, the foreskin was removed. Paul taught that this portrayed that our sinful nature was removed from us in Christ (Colossians 2:11). Water baptism is a seal of righteousness in the New Covenant. In baptism, the old man is given a water “burial.” Again Paul taught that this portrayed that our sinful nature was removed from us in Christ (Romans 6:3-6). Thus both the Old Covenant and New Covenant clearly portray what happened to our sinful nature when we were born again. Our sinful nature died and God completely removed it from our being.
This is what Paul called the mystery of the gospel (Colossians 1:27). How could Christ, who is God’s Holy One, spiritually live in a people who were born with a sinful nature? God solved this dilemma by performing a divine heart transplant so that we would be born again. When Christ died on the cross, He not only bore our sins on the cross; He also bore our sinful nature on the cross with Him. Therefore, when Christ died, God exchanged our terminally sin-sick heart with His Son’s divine heart to deliver us from the power of sin and death (2 Corinthians 13:5; Galatians 4:6). This divine operation of the cross, by which God removed our sinful nature and replaced it with Christ’s nature, is the promise of the New Covenant, the purpose of Christ’s Atonement and the power of Christ’s gospel. It was also foretold by the Old Testament prophets: “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove your heart of stone from your flesh (Ezekiel 36:26-27; see also Jeremiah 31:31-33).”
Some Christians are confused when they read Romans Chapter 7, and think perhaps the person described in this passage is a Christian. But Paul wrote this particular chapter to his fellow Jews (see Romans 7:1) to convince them that in Christ, they died not only to sin; they also died to the Mosaic Law. Paul describes the frustration and anguish of a person who is not yet born again and wants to obey God but who cannot do so because of his sinful nature. That person finally cries out, “I am a wretched man! Who will set me free from this body of death (this sinful nature)? (Romans 7:24)” Paul then provides the answer based on his own personal experience, “Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! (Romans 7:25)” God knew that man’s sinful nature was his Achilles heel, which Satan would use to continually snare him in sin. This is why the Old Covenant could not accomplish God’s eternal purpose since man’s sinful nature prevented him from truly obeying God’s commandments. Therefore, what the Law was powerless to do because of our sinful nature; God did in the New Covenant by sending His Son who perfectly fulfilled the Law and then become sin on our behalf so that we might become the righteousness of God in Christ (Romans 8:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
When God completed His divine heart transplant, He did not leave us with two natures. If God had left a sinful nature in us, we would be divided in heart and mind. We could never stand up to Satan’s attacks and accusations. If we still had a sinful nature, the devil would always have a spiritual foothold of sin within us to defeat us. This would have been a woefully incomplete and pitiful salvation. But thank God that Christ’s death on the cross has given us complete victory over sin! By the cross, God delivered us not only from the penalty of sin; He also delivered us from the power of sin by destroying and removing our sinful nature. We are now a holy new creation in Christ. But if our sinful nature is dead and gone, then why do we still sin? Because our spiritual mind needs to be renewed and transformed by God’s Word to the point that we act on the truth that we have died and been freed from sin (Romans 12:2; Ephesians 4:23). This is the whole gospel that Paul practiced: “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in the Son of God (Galatians 2:20).”
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” 2 Corinth 5:17

 

[makesends]

Please explain this summary that I found online, ?

Which by the way, makes perfect sense to me?

Do Born Again Christians Have a Sinful Nature?​

Jesus said, “If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.” Mark 3:25
Do born again Christians have a sinful nature? Absolutely not! The Bible is very straightforward on this. Yet many Christians mistakenly think they have two natures within them, a new nature and a sin nature, which war against each other. They believe that their new nature loves God and wants to practice righteousness but that their old sinful nature loves sin and wants to practice lawlessness. They think that their Christian life reflects whichever of their two natures they yield themselves to the most. This lie is one of the greatest deceptions the devil has “sold” to the church and many Christians have bought this lie. Tragically, these Christians are then overcome by sin because they do not understand or believe the truth about Christ’s triumph on the cross.
Jesus Christ said if you know the truth of His Word, He will free you from slavery to sin (John 8:31-36). With this in mind, let us look at three Scriptures that plainly state we no longer have a sinful nature after we are born of the Spirit. Here is the first one: “We know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be removed so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died has been freed from sin (Romans 6:6-7).” Here is the second one: “You are not in the flesh (the sinful nature) but inthe Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you (Romans 8:9). And here is the third one: “In Him you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of flesh (the sinful nature), by the circumcision of Christ (Colossians 2:11).” In all three verses, the apostle Paul teaches that we no longer have a sinful nature after we are born again of God’s Spirit.
The Bible contains two powerful pictures to show us that our sinful nature was removed from us when we were born again. Circumcision was the seal of righteousness in the Old Covenant. In circumcision, the foreskin was removed. Paul taught that this portrayed that our sinful nature was removed from us in Christ (Colossians 2:11). Water baptism is a seal of righteousness in the New Covenant. In baptism, the old man is given a water “burial.” Again Paul taught that this portrayed that our sinful nature was removed from us in Christ (Romans 6:3-6). Thus both the Old Covenant and New Covenant clearly portray what happened to our sinful nature when we were born again. Our sinful nature died and God completely removed it from our being.
This is what Paul called the mystery of the gospel (Colossians 1:27). How could Christ, who is God’s Holy One, spiritually live in a people who were born with a sinful nature? God solved this dilemma by performing a divine heart transplant so that we would be born again. When Christ died on the cross, He not only bore our sins on the cross; He also bore our sinful nature on the cross with Him. Therefore, when Christ died, God exchanged our terminally sin-sick heart with His Son’s divine heart to deliver us from the power of sin and death (2 Corinthians 13:5; Galatians 4:6). This divine operation of the cross, by which God removed our sinful nature and replaced it with Christ’s nature, is the promise of the New Covenant, the purpose of Christ’s Atonement and the power of Christ’s gospel. It was also foretold by the Old Testament prophets: “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove your heart of stone from your flesh (Ezekiel 36:26-27; see also Jeremiah 31:31-33).”
Some Christians are confused when they read Romans Chapter 7, and think perhaps the person described in this passage is a Christian. But Paul wrote this particular chapter to his fellow Jews (see Romans 7:1) to convince them that in Christ, they died not only to sin; they also died to the Mosaic Law. Paul describes the frustration and anguish of a person who is not yet born again and wants to obey God but who cannot do so because of his sinful nature. That person finally cries out, “I am a wretched man! Who will set me free from this body of death (this sinful nature)? (Romans 7:24)” Paul then provides the answer based on his own personal experience, “Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! (Romans 7:25)” God knew that man’s sinful nature was his Achilles heel, which Satan would use to continually snare him in sin. This is why the Old Covenant could not accomplish God’s eternal purpose since man’s sinful nature prevented him from truly obeying God’s commandments. Therefore, what the Law was powerless to do because of our sinful nature; God did in the New Covenant by sending His Son who perfectly fulfilled the Law and then become sin on our behalf so that we might become the righteousness of God in Christ (Romans 8:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
When God completed His divine heart transplant, He did not leave us with two natures. If God had left a sinful nature in us, we would be divided in heart and mind. We could never stand up to Satan’s attacks and accusations. If we still had a sinful nature, the devil would always have a spiritual foothold of sin within us to defeat us. This would have been a woefully incomplete and pitiful salvation. But thank God that Christ’s death on the cross has given us complete victory over sin! By the cross, God delivered us not only from the penalty of sin; He also delivered us from the power of sin by destroying and removing our sinful nature. We are now a holy new creation in Christ. But if our sinful nature is dead and gone, then why do we still sin? Because our spiritual mind needs to be renewed and transformed by God’s Word to the point that we act on the truth that we have died and been freed from sin (Romans 12:2; Ephesians 4:23). This is the whole gospel that Paul practiced: “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in the Son of God (Galatians 2:20).”
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” 2 Corinth 5:17

The "old man", as Paul puts it, is dead, in the life given to the regenerated, but must still continue to be be put to death, until the day of our physical death. James says temptation comes from inside the person, from their desires. So it is not as though we become perfect and all our sin comes from outside us. This is why renewing our minds, and increasing maturity, is necessary.

Romans 7, I believe, is about this struggle against the "old man".

 

[Ritajanice]

The "old man", as Paul puts it, is dead, in the life given to the regenerated, but must still continue to be be put to death, until the day of our physical death. James says temptation comes from inside the person, from their desires. So it is not as though we become perfect and all our sin comes from outside us. This is why renewing our minds, and increasing maturity, is necessary.

Romans 7, I believe, is about this struggle against the "old man".

We have that new nature, where sin cannot reign..as it’s been put to death, through being birthed in the spirit...it’s the renewing of our minds that need to be changed, from those thoughts of our old carnal nature that we once had.

My thoughts are nothing like they used to be...because i came to a place of understanding what the renewing of our minds mean..imo/ belief.
It’s not inside my heart my sin..it is in my mind.....and I will probably never be fully free from the sinful mind..

 

[fastfredy0]

Do Born Again Christians Have a Sinful Nature?

Yes.
The AMP Bible even has the section of Roman 7:14-25 labeled:

The Conflict of Two Natures​

15 For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled and bewildered by them]. I do not practice what I want to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate [and yielding to my human nature, my worldliness—my sinful capacity]. 16 Now if I habitually do what I do not want to do, [that means] I agree with the Law, confessing that it is good (morally excellent). 17 So now [if that is the case, then] it is no longer I who do it [the disobedient thing which I despise], but the sin [nature] which lives in me.

When a Christian dies he loses his sin nature.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes.
The AMP Bible even has the section of Roman 7:14-25 labeled:

The Conflict of Two Natures​

15 For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled and bewildered by them]. I do not practice what I want to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate [and yielding to my human nature, my worldliness—my sinful capacity]. 16 Now if I habitually do what I do not want to do, [that means] I agree with the Law, confessing that it is good (morally excellent). 17 So now [if that is the case, then] it is no longer I who do it [the disobedient thing which I despise], but the sin [nature] which lives in me.

When a Christian dies he loses his sin nature.

Go read my thread about sinning after we become born again...how can we have two natures, when we have been birthed in the spirit..impossible..imo/ belief.

We have a new nature..not 2 natures..the old nature is dead to sin.

 

[fastfredy0]

Go read my thread about sinning after we become born again...how can we have two natures, when we have been birthed in the spirit..impossible..imo/ belief.

Premise 1: God's nature never sin
Premise 2: After we are saved we still sin
Premise 3: The Spirit dwells in a Christian for benefit
Conclusion: I have two natures: the Spirit's nature and mine

The doctrine of sanctification is all about the Christian's life on earth, about his slip ups, his hopefully becoming better and better.

There are verses about 'abiding' in Christ ... saying we are to confess sins to abide in Him
Amos 3:3 “Two cannot walk together unless they are agreed.” Do you always agreed with God. Any sin suggest disagreement and another nature
1 John 7:9 If we [believers] confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins [personal sins] and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness .... it's not God's nature in us the screws up, it's our nature ... more proof of 2 natures IMO

That's my view point. Maybe the author is thinking of something else.

 

[Ritajanice]

Premise 1: God's nature never sin
Premise 2: After we are saved we still sin
Premise 3: The Spirit dwells in a Christian for benefit
Conclusion: I have two natures: the Spirit's nature and mine

The doctrine of sanctification is all about the Christian's life on earth, about his slip ups, his hopefully becoming better and better.

There are verses about 'abiding' in Christ ... saying we are to confess sins to abide in Him
Amos 3:3 “Two cannot walk together unless they are agreed.” Do you always agreed with God. Any sin suggest disagreement and another nature
1 John 7:9 If we [believers] confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins [personal sins] and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness .... it's not God's nature in us the screws up, it's our nature ... more proof of 2 natures IMO

That's my view point. Maybe the author is thinking of something else.

Disagree...there is no sin in the heart of a Born again...why...because we have received the rebirth/ birthed in the Holy Spirit...this is a living spiritual birth....

It’s the old carnal mind that sins..that’s why it’s important to understand what the renewing of our minds mean.

 

[fastfredy0]

Disagree...there is no sin in the heart of a Born again

So, you no longer sin ?????? That's hard to believe.
Why God give the verse: 1 John 7:9 If we [believers] confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins [personal sins] and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

 

[Ritajanice]

So, you no longer sin ?????? That's hard to believe.
Why God give the verse: 1 John 7:9 If we [believers] confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins [personal sins] and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

I didn’t say I didn’t sin.

You tell me how i can sin, if I have been birthed in the spirit?

How does that work....if I have a new nature...you can’t have two natures...sorry to me that would be impossible..his word already says that we are Born again...our sin Nature died when we received the new birth?

It’s the mind that sins as in...if I want to swear at my neighbour I will...not our new nature.....my mind needs to be renewed...to think and act in the spirit.

Would Jesus swear at my neighbour..of course not...neither do I now as my mind is in line with Christ’s?

My mind is being renewed daily...therefore doesn’t sin as much...if you think of committing adultery..that’s a sin is it not?

We still have that old mindset the old man...

 

[CrowCross]

How does that work....if I have a new nature

What is the new nature? Not debating, just questioning as I believe that enters into the "equation" so to speak.

 

[Ritajanice]

What is the new nature? Not debating, just questioning as I believe that enters into the "equation" so to speak.

The new nature, is when we have been birthed in the Spirit....the Holy Spirit births our spirit into his...therefore the new/ heart and spirit within.

I can’t explain how God births his children as you don’t know where it comes from....I just know that God’s word is very much Alive in Spirit.

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[fastfredy0]

I didn’t say I didn’t sin.

do you sin or not? Your other statements made me think that you think you don't sin.
If you sin then you must have a sin nature (which answers the question posed by the thread IMO)

You tell me how i can sin, if I have been birthed in the spirit?

By disobeying God. aside: being birthed in the Spirit doesn't mean one doesn't sin

 

[Ritajanice]

do you sin or not? Your other statements made me think that you think you don't sin.
If you sin then you must have a sin nature (which answers the question posed by the thread IMO)


By disobeying God. aside: being birthed in the Spirit doesn't mean one doesn't sin

Are you actually reading my posts?

I said I sin in the mind?

I only have one nature and that nature is in Christ..the rebirth/ Born Again/ Birthed in the Spirit.

The nature of Christ cannot indwell a sinner....he cannot birth a sinner in the Spirit...they are drawn to Jesus by God we must repent.etc.we are forgiven our sins by God.and only God, then we receive the rebirth, which is the Holy Spirit into or hearts/ spirit..the new nature.

My mind is the sinner not my heart.