Sermon on women in worship/fellowship hits intriguing snag in service wrap-up

[Hazelelponi]

Re self-determining but failed
I don’t know why but many people seem to miss the thing in these discussions which is truly an issue: that instead of actions or behavior , the main concern is a race identity.

You may know of someone like I do, who is against a race. They have a terrible time referring to specific actions that are poor decisions, and complain of the race.

This can be done for the race too, so that the race is immune from criticism. No matter what. It is really the same problem in two forms.

Everyone has a racial identity. We don't consider having a racial identity to be bad.

Scottish people have a racial identity and a history that is pretty cool, Arabs have a racial identity and a history, Jewish people have a racial identity and a history.

Recognizing our respective cultures, even having some amount of pride in who you are as a people isn't bad.

That what things like the Olympics are about, x country pits their best athletes against x countries best athletes to see who's the best country... Lol.

It's just silliness but it's fun, and you get to have a moment of happiness for your own people.

Having countries with multiple races where all the races are equals in that society is a distinctly modern invention, and is a direct result of influence from the Christian faith.

Go to Saudi Arabia and see how many white Christian Europeans are allowed to immigrate there and have the same right as everyone else.. including the right to proselytize their faith and dress the way they would like.

Having a single society with all races having the same rights is still not universal everywhere, just here, and it exists because our faith does. It will leave when our faith does too, because it's not mans natural state.

When we talk about racism and bigotry, it's when people want to kill everyone - or otherwise look down upon those of - certain ethnic group(s) because they think the ethnic group is not as evolved, or are in some way a lower life form - not just a people from a different culture.

We are made to recognize God in each other .. not to hide what God made to be or otherwise stomp on ethnicities.

It's cool to learn not just about other people groups, but about your own people group as well. This is what God made. And we all have our own beauty and there's no wrong in living around ones own racial and faith groups in community together. That's the way most of the world operates. God's not opposed.

Do we think it's odd to go to a wedding and see the wedding between people from the same ethnic group? No... It's normal. What's abnormal is people from different ethnicities having enough faith and culture in common to live together and even intermary

That's brand new, and doesn't work unless the people share enough in common.

 

[Arial]

Everyone has a racial identity. We don't consider having a racial identity to be bad.

Scottish people have a racial identity and a history that is pretty cool, Arabs have a racial identity and a history, Jewish people have a racial identity and a history.

Recognizing our respective cultures, even having some amount of pride in who you are as a people isn't bad.

That what things like the Olympics are about, x country pits their best athletes against x countries best athletes to see who's the best country... Lol.

It's just silliness but it's fun, and you get to have a moment of happiness for your own people.

Having countries with multiple races where all the races are equals in that society is a distinctly modern invention, and is a direct result of influence from the Christian faith.

Go to Saudi Arabia and see how many white Christian Europeans are allowed to immigrate there and have the same right as everyone else.. including the right to proselytize their faith and dress the way they would like.

Having a single society with all races having the same rights is still not universal everywhere, just here, and it exists because our faith does. It will leave when our faith does too, because it's not mans natural state.

When we talk about racism and bigotry, it's when people want to kill everyone - or otherwise look down upon those of - certain ethnic group(s) because they think the ethnic group is not as evolved, or are in some way a lower life form - not just a people from a different culture.

We are made to recognize God in each other .. not to hide what God made to be or otherwise stomp on ethnicities.

It's cool to learn not just about other people groups, but about your own people group as well. This is what God made. And we all have our own beauty and there's no wrong in living around ones own racial and faith groups in community together. That's the way most of the world operates. God's not opposed.

Do we think it's odd to go to a wedding and see the wedding between people from the same ethnic group? No... It's normal. What's abnormal is people from different ethnicities having enough faith and culture in common to live together and even intermary

That's brand new, and doesn't work unless the people share enough in common.

Thanks for mentioning the Scots. I have a couple of other "people groups" in me but it is that Scottish heritage that most forms my core in a way of personality and pride of nation and heritage. That fighting warrior spirit and wild and stormy land. I will post a video I think encompasses it I think you will enjoy.

 

[EarlyActs]

Everyone has a racial identity. We don't consider having a racial identity to be bad.

Scottish people have a racial identity and a history that is pretty cool, Arabs have a racial identity and a history, Jewish people have a racial identity and a history.

Recognizing our respective cultures, even having some amount of pride in who you are as a people isn't bad.

That what things like the Olympics are about, x country pits their best athletes against x countries best athletes to see who's the best country... Lol.

It's just silliness but it's fun, and you get to have a moment of happiness for your own people.

Having countries with multiple races where all the races are equals in that society is a distinctly modern invention, and is a direct result of influence from the Christian faith.

Go to Saudi Arabia and see how many white Christian Europeans are allowed to immigrate there and have the same right as everyone else.. including the right to proselytize their faith and dress the way they would like.

Having a single society with all races having the same rights is still not universal everywhere, just here, and it exists because our faith does. It will leave when our faith does too, because it's not mans natural state.

When we talk about racism and bigotry, it's when people want to kill everyone - or otherwise look down upon those of - certain ethnic group(s) because they think the ethnic group is not as evolved, or are in some way a lower life form - not just a people from a different culture.

We are made to recognize God in each other .. not to hide what God made to be or otherwise stomp on ethnicities.

It's cool to learn not just about other people groups, but about your own people group as well. This is what God made. And we all have our own beauty and there's no wrong in living around ones own racial and faith groups in community together. That's the way most of the world operates. God's not opposed.

Do we think it's odd to go to a wedding and see the wedding between people from the same ethnic group? No... It's normal. What's abnormal is people from different ethnicities having enough faith and culture in common to live together and even intermary

That's brand new, and doesn't work unless the people share enough in common.

It’s not a racial identity that’s bad. It’s making decisions and policies based on them. Hence the term identity politics. Like the Olympics there should just be the question of merit.

It started to enter modern thinking with class hatred in the French Revolution.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It’s not a racial identity that’s bad. It’s making decisions and policies based on them. Hence the term identity politics. Like the Olympics there should just be the question of merit.

It started to enter modern thinking with class hatred in the French Revolution.

I definitely believe in judging people based on who they are, not what they are.

 

[EarlyActs]

This is a little ironic. This same principle applies within the group we call the church, though some are only professors of truth.

They are Jesus' blood indeed, and that is no small thing.

There is, I think, at some level a real and particular love of God for the descendants of Jacob. I don't think that is only in my mind. But I suppose that could be just leftover thinking from my younger years steeped in Dispensationalism. Still, my heart yearns for them.

Regardless, unless someone can prove to me why not, I say that antisemitism is of the devil, a horror of an attitude, and not just some odd phenomenon, but a driven, creepy, hatred for all things belonging to God. I find the divide between the world and the church there. I am on their side, even if Israel is not ostensibly on God's side, because, the devil and his slaves hate them.

FWIW I read the book when I was a teenager, haven't seen the movie. I don't recall any Israelis cast as terrorists or Marxists. I was shocked at the pagan attitudes of those struggling for freedom from outsiders, when all I had heard about at the point was Israel as more or less Orthodox Jew. I would maybe characterize them as wild, though not quite uncontrolled, fierce, unabashed, unapologetic, clannish.

Uh, I think commandeering a ship and falsifying its manifesto is typically known as terrorism. The Irgun also bombed the King David Hotel in 47? killing British and American tourists as well as enemies.

The lead commando was pretty sure it was worthless to pray to or seek God about anything he was doing. It was up to them to survive; God was out of the picture.

The Rothschilds hired Scofield and funded the high quality publication of his reference Bible which spelled out the 2 program approach to the Bible. It has no way of unifying the Bible.