Romans 11:26a.... And so all Israel will be saved.

[makesends]

Think that the Second Coming can Happen at any time, but that timing could be at end of Great tribulation

He said he hopes for Pre-Trib, could most easily prove Mid-Trib, and expects Post-Trib. Myself, I don't even know even if the Great Trib has already happened. I'm skeptical of anyone who has this figured out.

 

[prism]

Think that the Second Coming can Happen at any time, but that timing could be at end of Great tribulation

As the old saying goes, 'In a contingent universe, anything is possible except putting toothpaste back in its tube.

 

[prism]

I don't even know even if the Great Trib has already happened.

If there is a GT, you will know it (if you are here when it happens).

 

[makesends]

If there is a GT, you will know it (if you are here when it happens).

No doubt

 

[JesusFan]

As the old saying goes, 'In a contingent universe, anything is possible except putting toothpaste back in its tube.

or keeping Jesus in His grave

 

[JesusFan]

No doubt

many have claimed that happened in the past or even right now, but Jesus made it very clear would be sometime that never has happened before, WW II like a forerunner for it when it does finally come

 

[brightfame52]

To be honest, since the death of Christ national israel lost its covenant distinction as the people of God, no longer being the physical descendant of national israel was representative of Gods people, this foretold by Jesus Himself Matt 21:43

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

This nation the Kingdom of God is given to is the Church, the Body of Christ which is comprised of all ethnic groups to include jews, africans, germans, hispanics and so forth, so Israel is being saved during the times of the gentiles when racial distinctions have been done away with in Christ. The Kingdom of God distinction that national israel had is gone, permanently and given permanently to the Church Matt 16:18

. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Again the Church Christ is building is that Spiritual Nation bringing forth the fruits thereof of the Kingdom of God taken from national ethnic israel. 15

 

[makesends]

many have claimed that happened in the past or even right now, but Jesus made it very clear would be sometime that never has happened before, WW II like a forerunner for it when it does finally come

Jury's still out.

 

[prism]

Jury's still out.

You mean that 'hung jury'? lol

 

[makesends]

You mean that 'hung jury'? lol

Ha! No, but the more I study it the less sure I am. Of one thing I am [relatively] sure. God is more interested in me getting to know him than he is in me getting my eschatology all lined up.

 

[brightfame52]

The Church with the Gentiles in it, is Israel Elect, the Mystery revealed, for Isaiah foretold of this, even calling the Gentiles Gods chosen, a People formed for Himself, observe this Prophecy depicting the Gentiles Isa 43:19-21

19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.

21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.

The New Thing is the Mystery of the Gentiles Eph 2:15

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The wilderness is the gentile nations of the world, also the beast of the field, dragons and owls refer to gentiles people

Acts 10:12

12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

These are His special Chosen ones for Himself from the gentiles Acts 15:14-19

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

God said this people[Gentiles] He formed for Himself

Look what God said earlier in Isa 43:1

But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. 15

 

[brightfame52]

Being a Jew!

What is a Jew ? I know the first thing that naturally comes to mind, is that a jew is a natural physical descendant of Abraham, then through Jacob. That is correct, however also a Jew is and has a Spiritual definition which stretches beyond ethnic boundaries. Paul brings this truth to light here Rom 2:28-29

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

A jew is anyone who God gives circumcision of the heart, no matter their ethnicity

Circumcision of heart is the New Birth God spoke of it earlier through Moses Deut 30:6

And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Paul writing to gentiles who believed wrote Phil 3:3

Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.

2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

As you can see another element in being a jew spiritually, being in Christ!

Paul was telling these gentile converts, beware of the concision, jewish false converts, for we are the jews, the circumcision in Christ who in Him we rejoice.

The Mystery revealed here is that being a jew is being in Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

The Church is Spiritual Israel now as it was under the OT since both Paul and Peter acknowledge the Grace that would come upon the Gentiles as being promises fulfilled that were made to Spiritual Israel 1 Pet 1:10-12

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Notice Vs 10 The Prophets prophesied of the Grace that should come unto you. Now this is the same dispensation of Grace Paul preached and declared to be unto the Gentiles Eph 3:1-6

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

See Peter was speaking of Salvation Grace proclaimed in the Gospel, and so was Paul. The Gospel Peter referred to in 1 Pet 1:12

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Is the same Gospel Paul refers to in Eph 3:6

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Again the Grace Peter refers to in 1 Pet 1:10

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Is the same Grace Paul writes of in Eph 3:2

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 16

 

[Paul]

Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?

The Father has set that date according to His own authority.

As shown in Zach 14 God gathers all nations to attack Jerusalem and those armies are defeated by a coming of the Lord not man.

The Spiritual reality never changes people are saved the same way we were saved. They become members of the body of Christ.

As I read the signs given in Rev 11 seem to lift the veil for many in Israel. But the nation will survive because God Himself defends it.

At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

 

[brightfame52]

Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?

The Father has set that date according to His own authority.

As shown in Zach 14 God gathers all nations to attack Jerusalem and those armies are defeated by a coming of the Lord not man.

The Spiritual reality never changes people are saved the same way we were saved. They become members of the body of Christ.

As I read the signs given in Rev 11 seem to lift the veil for many in Israel. But the nation will survive because God Himself defends it.

At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Post 193 did u understand it ?

 

[JesusFan]

Ha! No, but the more I study it the less sure I am. Of one thing I am [relatively] sure. God is more interested in me getting to know him than he is in me getting my eschatology all lined up.

True, as MANY cultists have their maps and diagrams as exposed by their false teachers, and yet when the Lord Jesus returns, whenever that is, he will not be bringing them back with him

 

[brightfame52]

Also the same Gospel Grace and Salvation Peter preached with the Holy Ghost sent down from Heaven, he says the Angels desired to look into 1 Pet 1:12

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Paul wrote of the same thing, Gospel Grace and Salvation being that under the interest of the Angels, yet he calls them principalities and powers

Eph 3:8-10

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 16

 

[brightfame52]

The Old Testament Saints and the New Testament Saints are all part of the Body of Christ, the Church, because they are the Heirs, Heirs of God, Joint Heirs with Jesus Christ their Head Heb 11:9

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

The same heirs as in Rom 8 when discussing the Church Rom 8:16-17

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Also Rom 4:13-14

13 For the promise, that he[Abraham] should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Now Abraham could be heir of the world, only as He is in union with his Head and Joint heir with Jesus Christ Rom 8:17

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