Parable of the Talents: The harvest of the weeds

[Matt5]

My methodology for end-time events: Real world to Bible. Which independent real world scenarios seem to match up with Bible end-time events?

I believe the return of Jesus is near. Probably before 2050. Before 2045. Somewhere around 2040 maybe. That's just 17 years. Do you think we can see at least some end-time scenarios forming out in the distance? I think yes.

A problem for Christians:

We already know that half the virgins screw up something and get rejected by Jesus. That means a lot of so-called Christians aren't good enough for Jesus.

We know from Noah's Ark that everybody is allowed to make the right choice. Even bad people are given the chance to make the right choice one last time. A test.

One test would be the mark of the beast. Interestingly, in this test the Christians are not supernaturally saved. They have to die to pass the test. So here is a case where the test is life or death, just like with Noah's test.

Why do you get a freebie but quite a few other Christians get in serious trouble which includes death?

Answer: You don't get a freebie. You'll pay like everybody else.

Because we live in the West, we get the privilege of a couple of big wars. One such war involves America, Russia and China. If you live in America then you're toast if you don't get out of the way. There are threats surrounding this war now.

If you are a Christian in America when that war comes, then you will pay along with everybody else. Or get out of the way. This is a test.

Parable of the talents:
You are a weed unless you get out of the way.

Why won't you get out of the way? Fear and/or laziness.

It's not easy to get out of the way. Plus, how will you survive somewhere else? Better to just die.

Did you notice how it doesn't matter if the parable of the talents applies to events in the past? That's because you still have to get out of the way when war comes. Unless you believe in the pre-nuke rapture.

Pre-trib really means pre-nuke. Before the nukes start falling, the rapture hits. This applies even if the nukes start falling well before the tribulation hits. If you're wrong then you're in trouble.

 

[Josheb]

My methodology for end-time events: Real world to Bible......

I believe the return of Jesus is near......

Those two sentences contradict one another AND the first sentence implies the "real world" is something you correctly and adequately know and understand. It also implies you put the "real world" before the Bible, instead of the other way around. If that's not what was intended then clarify it because, as written, it is irrational.

 

[Josheb]

I believe the return of Jesus is near. Probably before 2050.

So, for you, the word "near" means "approximately 27 years, maybe more a less."

What does God mean when He uses the word "near"?

 

[Josheb]

A problem for Christians:

We already know that half the virgins screw up something and get rejected by Jesus.

No, we do not know that.

Parables are literary devices used for illustrative purposes. They are not literal teaching. Parables are also veiled and abstract forms of communication. Jesus made this explicitly clear when he explained the parable of the sower to the twelve. The parable does say five of the ten were foolish but you just got done saying your "method for end-times events" is "real world to Bible."

In the real world there are a lot more than ten virgins.

In the real world the brides to the Groom are not all sexual virgins.

I am NOT trying to be disrespectful or unjustly confrontational with you, but right from the very beginning of your thinking, your beliefs, your "methodology" you have a plethora of inconsistencies and contradictions.





This is why I asked you to examine the Matthew narrative and make not of the timestamps JESUS, not the modern newscast, provided.

My methodology for end-time events............

It has not yet been established the Matthew 25 parables are end times events!!!

I know that may be alarming to your sensibilities, but incredulity is not a rational response to anything. Jesus did not say the parables of Matthew 25 were end times events. The belief those parables are modern end-times events is largely a product of an eschatology that was invented in the 19th century. Rather than get into a debate over competing post-canonical doctrines with you, is it not best to examine scripture and scripture alone, looking at what is actually explicitly states, accepting what is stated as written?

Or do you think it is better to change what is stated to fit a doctrine that was invented 1900 years later?

Jesus gave a number of "timestamps" in the Matthew 21:18-26:5 narrative. They should NOT be ignored, especially if you (and I) believe Jesus meant exactly what he said. It will mean you are going to walk away from this conversation with me with a very different view then when you posted this op but I will offer you the witness of my own experience because I was taught the same things you now believe and I used to believe and think and study and teach very similarly as you have in this thread. A friend of mine did what I am now attempting to do with you.

With you, not to you.

He took me aside, opened the Bible, and asked me to read it exactly as written. When I challenged what is plainly written he held his ground and pointed back to the word of God and said, "Read what it actually states," and he did it over and over until I began trusting God's word as written. It was not my trusting my friend. It was trusting God's word - God's word exactly as written. When I broached various questions or points of view doctrinally twisting other scriptures, he did the same: look again at what that text actually states.

Bend your eschatology to scripture beginning with what it actually explicitly states, not the other way around.

 

[Josheb]

Did you notice how it doesn't matter if the parable of the talents applies to events in the past?

Not only did I notice it it, I explicitly stated if it was in the past then was should not look for it to happen again BUT should apply the lesson of what was for that audience a future event but for us is a past event to be applied in our era.

That's because you still have to get out of the way when war comes.

Uless you're a warrior.

Unless you believe in the pre-nuke rapture.

I do not.

Pre-trib really means pre-nuke.

Pre-trib is falsehood. Jesus explicitly stated the disciples would be handed over to tribulation and ALL of the seven letters in Revelation are about the Church persevering through the tribulation. If your comment is intended to communicate to me that you are not a subscriber of tribulationalism then that's good. I commend you. You're on the right track there but this op is about Matthew 25's parable of the talents and the harvest of the weeds.

Try to focus on that parable and not digress.

There is nothing in Matthew 25 about nuclear anything.

 

[ChristB4us]

How are you preparing for the return of Jesus?

Also;

The modified Nicene creed of 381 A,D, introduced the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son. This is the broadening of the way prophesied by Jesus Christ per Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 for why many will be found in iniquity and therefore left behind.

There is only one way to come to the Father and that is by the only way provided and that is His Son. John 14:6

To climb up any other way is a robber and a thief thus a worker of iniquity; John 10:1 Jesus is the actual gate John 10:7 Verily, verily...

The only way to honor the Father is by honoring the Son as the last part of John 5:23 testify that when one is not honoring the Son; then they are not honoring the Father and that standard of judgment is raised over every believer per John 5:22 which is the verse prior to how we will be judged.

The role of the Holy Spirit is to testify of the Son thru us; per John 15:26-27 to glorify the Son John 16:14 and that has to include worship.

Paul stressed this obedience for his absence to have that mind of Christ in worship for how God the Father is glorified by. Philippians 2:5-13

There are no scriptures teaching the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the father & the Son and this references above is why there isn't.

What do we see today when the focus is on the Holy Spirit in worship or honoring the Holy Spirit in worship or praying for the Holy Spirit to come to the worship place, we get reports of apostasy where believers are losing self control as there is chaos in the place like in holy laughter movement or being drunk in the spirit, tongues without interpretation and so they assume is for private use but really they are following a stranger's voice per John 10:1-5 for seeking that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues or by that sign of tongues yet Jesus rebukes this: Matthew 12:38-40.

So in spite of the miracles, the healings, the casting our of devils, the visions, and revelations and "prophesy" by them, they are workers of iniquity as it is sometimes evident when believers fall backwards when the "spirit" falls on them.

That is what they get for looking to the spirit & its visitations of signs & wonders as if that is the way to the Father when the Son is.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

When believers say the Holy Spirit is moving here or there, do not go there. That is the same thing as saying the Spirit of Christ is here or there.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

We do not need to go to any place to get near the Spirit of Christ when He is in us as our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

The word antichrist means "instead of Christ" as in "instead of the Son" as it is applied in scripture and so the Holy Spirit would never point to Himself in seeking His own glory in any movement whatsoever but always keep the spotlight on the Son every time in seeking the Son's glory and by Him, the glory of God the Father.

One has to be careful now because they are changing their words to saying stuff like "have an encounter with Jesus" or "experience the tenderness of Jesus" for sinners to come and get healings without needing Jesus Christ as their Saviour while they also say to believers seeking a healing, "Those who have a hunger for more of God... let the Spirit fill you" in order to get that healing.

May the Lord help you discern that whenever they preach a phenomenon as in an encounter with a spirit to get this healing or anything like that, that is what Matthew 24:23-26 is about as we are living in the latter days when the falling away of the faith is happening in droves now.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

May the Lord help you keep your eyes on the Son for the Bridegroom will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ.

 

[ChristB4us]

Suppose the two of you got into an argument with someone at home tonight and Jesus returned while you were in the midst of an angry outburst in which you were presuming to know the heart and mind of your perceived adversary and judging them with words lacking edification.

Would either of you be saved?

Those left behind are still saved. They were not ready to go as found abiding in Him & His words.

Look at 1 Corinthians 5th chapter in how the church is to excommunicate the unrepentant brother so as to not even eat with him.

That is what God will do at the pre great tribulation rapture event for the Marriage Supper in Heaven.

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
You can count on Him to finish His work even in those left behind. All that offends on that foundation will be burned off but the foundation will remain.
1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
That is why there are 2 kinds of vessels in His House for why not every saved believer will be ready and found in iniquity & left behind to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in heaven to await for ther resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

@Matt5

 

[Josheb]

Those left behind are still saved. They were not ready to go as found abiding in Him & His words.

Look at 1 Corinthians 5th chapter in how the church is to excommunicate the unrepentant brother so as to not even eat with him................

Would you please provide the verse in 1 Corinthians 5 that explicitly states saved people are "left behind"?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Matthew 25:14-30 - Parable of the Talents

I know you can read and understand, so line-by-line analysis seems unnecessary. I want to go next level.

In the parable of the talents, we find Christians caught up in the harvest of the weeds. One type of Christian (the 1-talent group) does not escape the harvest and is killed.

SO handle 1 Cor 3:15. Salvation doesn't depend on "Works".

 

[Josheb]

The modified Nicene creed of 381 A,D, introduced the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.

Nicea did not "introduce" anything. It formalized what was already occurring.

 

[Matt5]

SO handle 1 Cor 3:15. Salvation doesn't depend on "Works".

You're being tested. The mark of the beast is a test. Getting out of the way of harvests (big wars) is another series of tests.

In my opinion, the complete chapter of Matthew 25 is about tests:

1. Parable of the wise and foolish virgins: The fake Jesus (false prophet) comes and fools the people who take the mark.
2. Parable of the talents: Avoid the harvests (big wars) or be killed.
3. Sheep/Goat: A goat is anyone who took the mark.

 

[Josheb]

You're being tested. The mark of the beast is a test. Getting out of the way of harvests (big wars) is another series of tests.

In my opinion, the complete chapter of Matthew 25 is about tests:

1. Parable of the wise and foolish virgins: The fake Jesus (false prophet) comes and fools the people who take the mark.
2. Parable of the talents: Avoid the harvests (big wars) or be killed.
3. Sheep/Goat: A goat is anyone who took the mark.

"Big wars" are "harvests"?

Was that premise explained and proven somewhere in this thread?

 

[ChristB4us]

Would you please provide the verse in 1 Corinthians 5 that explicitly states saved people are "left behind"?

By how the church is to excommunicate the unrepentant brother is how the Lord will do it for the Marriage supper.

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

That is what the Lord will do when leaving unrepentant saints and former believers behind to be killed by the beast.

Now see below the same requirement for church fellowship is the same requirement for attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven.

1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

~~~Disclaimer.. not specifically addressing you, Brother Josheb, but for all readers that this may apply to;

So for any saved believer out there reading this, that is living in sin, thinking you will repent tomorrow, you best turn to Jesus Christ for help to repent today because death can strike at any moment and not just the rapture event that can happen at any moment.

 

[Matt5]

"Big wars" are "harvests"?

Was that premise explained and proven somewhere in this thread?

Yes, it was. You probably just didn't like it because it would be inconvenient if true.

There is a reason for parables (Matthew 13:10). To hide stuff. Hide what? Bad news. Why would anybody hide good news?

Most people refuse to see (Matthew 13:13), so the bad news in parables is withheld.

 

[ChristB4us]

Nicea did not "introduce" anything. It formalized what was already occurring.

Jesus did not teach it but declared the will of the Father in how the Father wants to be honored by as that standard of judgment has been raised over every believer.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Jesus said He is the only way to come to God the Father by and not by way of the holy Spirit or by way of the Trinity either if saved believers wish to be found abiding in Him and in the way they are to go to be raptured.
John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This is why He said this as a warning to saved believers not to doubt that commandment of John 14:6.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.... 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

It is a work of iniquity in climbing up to God the Father in honoring Him in any other way. That is why only a few find it now in these latter days.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

AND according to Paul as he had emphasized this mind of Christ in worship for the Philippians to be obedience to in his absence.;

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

This is why the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son is taught NOWHERE in scripture because the Holy Spirit is sent to testify of the Son thru us in order to glorify the Son in ministry and that has to include worship as well.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

What may happen when focus is on the Holy Spirit in worship? That is suffering a thief to break through where the spirits of the antichrist can come in and lead many astray in chasing after them to receive them for a sign.

The groundworks for apostasy is there and so you will have a very hard time telling believers that was not the Holy Spirit when they were honoring the Holy Spirit & addressing the Holy Spirit in worship.

The term "antichrist" as it is used in scripture means "instead of Christ" as in "instead of the Son". The real indwelling holy Spirit will always has the spotlight on the Son in worship in order to glorify God the Father. It is the spirit of the antichrist that would share & steal the spotlight from Jesus Christ in worship. So narrow the way back to the Son in worship or suffer a thief to break through for being in iniquity. @Matt5

 

[makesends]

As opposed to having already been prepared?

Can you see the problem in your question? It assumes some new or different form of preparation has to occur, and it does so in implied conflict with the many verses in scripture that tell us we already have everything we need in Christ. Take a look at how the word "prepare" is used in the New Testament. It is used more than a dozen times in the gospels but only three times in the epistolary and not a single one of the epistles' uses has anything to do specifically with preparing for Christ's return! There are repeated exhortations about the hope of Christ's return but not one admonition to "prepare." Why is the epistolary so silent on that matter? Why did the apostles NOT tell the converts to Christ to "prepare" for the return of Christ? How is it you think the question asked has any veracity? Was it something you were taught by others? Is it rooted in a pre-Calvary, gospel emphasizing reading of scripture that neglects the post-Calvary epistolary?

No one is going to be fully prepared when Jesus shows up. Every single person will have unconfessed sin on their ledger. No how diligently a person may look and look and look, s/he will never be adequately prepared - especially if the preparations being made are made in the flesh.

Yep! Reminds me of the focus on just what is the Mark of the Beast. —If a person even KNOWS AND RECOGNIZES it when it comes, what is there to make a person think he will be able to avoid it, if he has the habit of disobedience?

 

[Josheb]

By how the church is to excommunicate the unrepentant brother is how the Lord will do it for the Marriage supper.

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

That is what the Lord will do when leaving unrepentant saints and former believers behind to be killed by the beast.

Now see below the same requirement for church fellowship is the same requirement for attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven.

1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

~~~Disclaimer.. not specifically addressing you, Brother Josheb, but for all readers that this may apply to;

So for any saved believer out there reading this, that is living in sin, thinking you will repent tomorrow, you best turn to Jesus Christ for help to repent today because death can strike at any moment and not just the rapture event that can happen at any moment.

NONE of that answers the question asked!

I did not ask for a verse that you interpret to say saved people are left behind. I did not ask for any verse read to imply such a thing. Let's try it again.


Would you please provide the verse in 1 Corinthians 5 that explicitly states saved people are "left behind"?


.

 

[Josheb]

Yep! Reminds me of the focus on just what is the Mark of the Beast. —If a person even KNOWS AND RECOGNIZES it when it comes, what is there to make a person think he will be able to avoid it, if he has the habit of disobedience?

The fact that the book in which the "mark" is mentioned explicitly states the mark was going to happen near to the provision of the revelation . That would make me think I can avoid it .

Just saying.

 

[ChristB4us]

NONE of that answers the question asked!

I did not ask for a verse that you interpret to say saved people are left behind. I did not ask for any verse read to imply such a thing. Let's try it again.


Would you please provide the verse in 1 Corinthians 5 that explicitly states saved people are "left behind"?.

I did. You missed it as you are unable to see how what God commands of the church to do; to excommunicate and therefore not even to eat with those unrepentant brothers, so will God do for the Marriage Supper above.

Or do you believe God can be a hypocrite?

 

[makesends]

The fact that the book in which the "mark" is mentioned explicitly states the mark was going to happen near to the provision of the revelation . That would make me think I can avoid it .

Just saying.

Where I have heard it so focused on, is in Dispensationalist teaching. I'm working within their parameters; my remarks are concerning the fact that even if they are able to know it for what it is, what makes them think they have the will to avoid it, if the focus is all about prophecy and not about Christ, or at least, walking with Christ. These people who think they have the freedom of will to do such a thing remind of those who think they can sin all they want and plan to repent on their deathbed.