LET ME TELL YOU WHY I’M DISGRUNTLED

[Josheb]

You had posted;

This is akin to," can God create a rock so heavy that He cannot lift?"

No, it is not. This is just another completely ignorant, baseless, non-sensical statement that stinks up the discussion. The inconsistency between the modern futurist's disgruntlement with current events he has long hoped is not akin to God's omnipotence at all. Really, really foolish thing to say.

How you apply my words to mean in a mocking manner does not necessarily align with what I am actually sharing.

First, trying to turn the tables onto me will not in any way shape or form resolve the inconsistency on your end. I could be 100% wrong but that would not make you correct or consistent. Second, sound words cannot be mocked. The fact is I am not mocking you but if I were it would only be because your posts are mockable. It is completely inconsistent to hope for things and then claim they disgruntle you. Fix that problem and do it without ever mentioning me.

Signs of the times will be increasing worse and worse and not just by evil men and seducers, but the due diligence is to be always ready in being found abiding in Him & His words, trusting Jesus Christ to help you to do this.

And you should be overjoyed, not disgruntled, your expectations have come to fruition. Posts 14 and 16 prove an internal inconsistency in your own beliefs. There's no internal inconsistency in my posts. You could complain about me all day every day for a week, a month, or a year, but that would do absolutely nothing to address and resolve the internal inconsistency in your own posts.

Only Jesus can prove that to you.

He has. He has proved to me you are eschatologically incorrect, and your thinking is internally irrational and self-conflicting.

And no goal posts has been moved.

The posts prove otherwise.

You said it moved, but I disagree for how you are applying my words to mean as I disagree with how you apply His words to mean.

That has nothing to do with the moving of the goal posts.


The matter is singular: If you, Christ4us, truly believe the world is supposed to go to hell in a handbasket, thereby indicating the soon return of Jesus, then you should be exuberantly excited and joyous.

Not disgruntled.

Therefore, if you are disgruntled that means there is some inconsistency within you. Not within me. Not me at all. The problem has nothing to do with me. It has nothing to do with my view on end times, nothing to do with my view of Jesus, of history, of scripture - NOTHING TO DO WITH ME AT ALL!!!! It does not have anything to do with Fred, Burt, Ethel, Lucy, or Ricky, either. The problem is solely and exclusively ONLY about the premise you have what you expect but you are not excited and happy but are, instead, disgruntled. If you want to be genuine, if you want to be sincere and/or authentic with your own self-claimed beliefs then be happy when what you believe comes true. When you are not consistent with your beliefs it means only that there is some kind of inconsistency within you. It has nothing to do with anyone else. There is some inconsistency between what you believe and what you say, some inconsistency between what you think and how you feel, some inconsistency between what is said and what is done or some inconsistency between one of those areas within you and another one of those areas within you. It has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else.

And this has always been the case with modern futurism.

I just happen to be exploiting the opportunity you provide because you go around telling everyone to look forward to things like the problems cited in the op. I might have done this with any Dispensationalist in the forum but you just happened to be the guy who showed up. The solution is very simple and readily available: either 1) be happy Biden is a morally corrupt personality because it confirms your end times view(s), 2) acknowledge the possibility Biden's corrupt personality has nothing to do with end times, or 3) change your end times view.

1) be happy Biden is a morally corrupt personality because it confirms your end times view(s),
2) acknowledge the possibility Biden's corrupt personality has nothing to do with end times,
3) change your end times view.

Any one of the three will make you a better Christian and demonstrate to everyone else there is some internal consistency within your beliefs.




Under no circumstance are you to make another attempt to make this about me because that is another move of the goal posts AND another failure to be internally consistent. Do not hate me because I hold you accountable to your own words. Ask Jesus how you can be more consistent.

 

[Josheb]

There is no point to encourage laborers to suffer grief wrongfully and then refer to Jesus as that example to follow after if they were not related.

None of which has anything to do with the problem to be solved. The problem to be solved is feelings of disgruntlement when what you hope for happens. Nothing more. Nothing else.

I disagree. One can be affected by the actions and the course of direction our country is taking but at the same time, we now have more knowledge about what to pray for and not just who to pray for as well as help to not be overcharged for the cares of this life to leave all this behind when the Bridegroom comes.

You can disagree all you like but reason is the measure, not your personal opinion or mine.

You - according to you - have what you hoped for! Be Happy. Yes, the course of "our" country" may be bad but that is exactly what you have always hoped for! Open your eyes! Start looking at what you have been doing for years. For years you have been telling everyone to look forward to bad things happening. May you did not realize that would mean your own country would become increasingly depraved but that does not change the fact this is what you have been preaching for years. It only means you did not realize the full content of your beliefs. You have been hoping the US would worsen and telling everyone it will happen, telling everyone to look forward to it, and arguing vigorously with anyone who disagreed, condescendingly telling them they need to talk to Jesus while never doing so yourself. My dissent is not about me or anyone else. Dispensationalism corrupts. It is the great irony of Dispensationalism. It creates the kind of Christians it says should be avoided. They do not genuinely practice what they preach. If they truly believed the end times are NOW upon us, then they would behave differently.


No matter how you argue this the plain, simple, singular, inescapable fact is if Biden's corruption is a sign of what you have been hoping for the you should not be disgruntled.

 

[ChristB4us]

No matter how you argue this the plain, simple, singular, inescapable fact is if Biden's corruption is a sign of what you have been hoping for the you should not be disgruntled.

That is a statement applied by you unto me that you had been arguing for, but my point is, you are only making that argument all by yourself.

My trying to state my position apart from your argument does seem to be futile and vain.

Have a blessed day.

 

[Josheb]

That is a statement applied by you unto me that you had been arguing for, but my point is, you are only making that argument all by yourself.

That is not in dispute. It is a non sequitur. It is, as a non sequitur, just another example among a growing number of posts where you've failed to address the specific concern brought to your attention with an attempt to make the matter about something - anything - other than what was brought to your attention.

You, not me, have an inconsistency in your own posts and if I am the only one bringing it to your attention that is immaterial to the inconsistency.

.... you are only making that argument all by yourself.

Would it matter if others agreed with me and asked you to address the problem? I'll gladly ask others to speak to you about this. How many do you need? One? Two? Three? Five? Ten? Let me know how many need to say something to you before you will address the inconsistency.

Or maybe just be honest and forthcoming and say it won't matter because you've no intent at acknowledging, examining, or correcting the inconsistency no matter how many people bring the inconsistency to your attention.

My trying to state my position apart from your argument does seem to be futile and vain.

Non sequiturs are always futile. So too is the failure to look at yourself and take responsibility (solely) for your own posts' contents. Stop dodging the question.

How do you explain feeling disgruntled when you should be happy, joyous, and excited that what you hoped for has finally come to happen?

Have a blessed day.

Thanks. I always do.

Another non sequitur. Another abject failure to answer the question asked. Another set of exchanges in which the problem to be solved is ignored and others are blamed.

I'll even broaden the concern so that it is not exclusively about you.

How can any modern futurist be inconsistent with what they claim to believe? How can they say one thing and also say something wholly irreconcilable with what they believe? How can the hope for bad things to happen (and tell everyone to do the same) and then not be happy when their hopes are fulfilled?

Do you not see the huge inconsistency?

Have a blessed day.

Thanks. I will, but this problem is not going away. It is evident in nearly every op you post. and your participation in nearly every thread shows a difficulty keeping your eschatology out of the discussion no matter the subject. Wish me a blessed day all you like but the problem of your own inconsistency is not going away this is not the last time I will bring it to your attention.

Psalm 37:4
Delight yourself in the LORD; And He will give you the desires of your heart.

John 15:11
These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.

Hebrews 9:28
So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

Delighted. Joyous. Eager.

Not disgruntled.


Modern futurists have no business being disgruntled without explanation when bad things happen to the US (like presidents morally corrupt personalities) because that is what they claim is to be expected, embraced, accepted, believed, hoped for, and trusted faithfully as the word of God. It is hugely inconsistent and there is absolutely nothing wrong with my bringing the inconsistency it to your attention (or asking for an explanation).

Have a blessed day.

You, too.

 

[Hobie]

Let Me Tell You Why I’m Disgruntled​

No need to “beat around the bush.” It is strongly observable and highly indicated that President Biden possesses a morally corrupted personality, and perhaps among the worst of American’s past Presidents. [If that affirmation “bugs you,” don’t stop reading at this point, for I have a message you may need to read.] Not only does Biden support the homosexual/Lesbian movements, publicly and otherwise, but he strongly denounces those of us who see same-sex relationships a despicable evil.

A few weeks ago, in one of Biden’s many questionable speeches, he called those of us who believe sexual abnormalities are denounced by God “homophobic.” This is not hear-say; nor is it a rumor. I sat in front of my TV at 5 p.m. on Friday, October 20, and listened as he identified some of the nation’s “jaundices.” Among the list was “homophobia”—meaning, according to Webster, “irrational hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality.”

In essence, this “President” is saying our God has an “irrational hatred” toward certain evils. In principle, he has called the God he claims to believe a “homophobic.” We’ve had a few filthy-mouthed, nonsensical Presidents, yes; but not one as deeply incapable of logical reasoning as Biden—unless it would Donald Trump. A huge number of liberal Democrats are loosely-minded and morally off-center—so much so that their “explanation” respecting mass shootings is that the shooters are mentally defective! Consequently, no one is “legally guilty” for mass shootings, including the recent one in Maine that killed 18 innocent people. “Remove the guns,” the loosely-minded liberals cry! Well, guns don’t kill. Evil hearts and minds kill.

How mentally sick was the shooter in Maine who recently erased the lives of 18 innocent people? Consider that prior to taking those lives, he fully understood the consequences of his planned action. Otherwise, he would not have been mentally able to compose a short “Last Will And Testament” to send his son, which he composed. True, he was not well-balanced and was logically flawed, but not so mentally off-balance that he was unable to realize what he intended to do and the results of it. Libertarians adopt the “excuse” factor to “pardon” killers and murderers.

Another example of liberalism is that Katie Hobbs, the new Governor of my State, Arizona, stood before an audience of homosexuals and lesbians and transgenders a week ago [October 2023] and “anointed” them with a sugar-coated political/social speech. I watched her on TV. She’s a Democrat. It is highly unlikely a Republican or Independent would confer such a favor upon an audience of this class. We, as a nation, have become tolerant of evil in the forms of immorality, same-sex relationships, unprincipled behavior, and depravity. These sinister vices no longer worry us, concern us, for we no longer consider them threatening, wrong, abnormal, or ugly, as we once did. However, the God who created morals still says:

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman, for it is an abomination” [Lev. 18:22]. “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable” [Lev. 20:13]. “Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality...will inherit the [eternal] kingdom of God” [I Cor. 6:9-11].

But let’s cover another base. Inflation under Biden has thrown our nation into a spin—so much so we are experiencing the worst financial rollercoaster ride we’ve seen under any previous President, unless it would be Jimmy Carter. Inflation under Biden has grown so rapidly that thousands and thousands of hard-working citizens have been evicted from their homes—including my City, Phoenix—because they can no longer afford the mortgage rates. And thousands of tenants and leasers, nationwide, are thrown out into the Streets because rent and leasing have tripled under Biden. Yes, Trump had his severe defects—deeply severe—but inflation under him was within the arena of rationale.

And before I crawl off of Biden’s back, mass shootings under him have tripled. Yes, there were a few mass shootings under Trump, but nothing compared to what has happened and happening under Biden. In my research, I uncovered the following:

“Trump vs Biden: Gun violence in Joe Biden’s US sees a sharp escalation...The Gun Violence Archive (GVA), a US gun violence monitoring group, reported that there were over 5,000 more fatal shootings during Joe Biden's first year in office compared to Donald Trump's first year as president.”

And there’s more under Google, if you wish to pursue further the diverse reports. The bottom line to all of this is easy to decipher. America’s once great moral features have heavily decayed under Obama, Trump, and Biden. The decline is open and observable to all. If the decline worsens, our once-great nation will crumble from within and from without. Banks will fail. Wealthy, greedy financial Institutions will collapse. Hunger will be on a rampage. All manner of crimes will swell. If we ever needed Heaven’s help, it is now.—Buff – Nov., 2023.​

The Bible says it will be a time such as never was before, and it is getting to that point.

 

[Josheb]

The Bible says it will be a time such as never was before, and it is getting to that point.

.....and that is hyperbole.

We know it is hyperbole because if it is worse than anything that has ever occurred before or after then it would have to be worse than the flood where only eight people survived worldwide. When people argue "The great tribulation has not happened because the worst possible thing ever has not happened," they are not only arguing a post hoc fallacy, they are ignoring biblical history and the Bible's own use of literary devices such as hyperbole. There have been hugely violent and destructive episodes in human history that would have to be eclipsed in a way that would make other prophecies nonsensical. When the atomic bombs went off, for example, the fatality rate ate ground zero was 100%. That would mean at ground zero for prophecy - Jerusalem - Everyone in the city would be annihilated and their existence erased quicker than in nuclear explosion. Everyone, including the elect would be eradicated and that contradicts the fact Christians survive the great tribulation. The great tribulation will be bad, very bad, but it will not be worse than the flood in which God killed everyone in the world except for eight people..... and Jesus did not intend his words to be heard as if God was going to kill everyone but seven (or fewer) people.

God expects us to reason through scripture, not follow teachers who fail to do so.