KING JAMES' BLUNDERS

[Buff Scott Jr.]

I agree that baptism is an outward sign. I certainly do not believe that baptism in water makes a sinner into a Christian, as some teach. Rather, it is a sign of what Jesus Christ has already done in saving that sinner.

And I say that immersion in water reflects our faith and trust. If one refuses to be immersed in water, for whatever reason, he most likely is lacking faith and trust in Jesus.​

 

[Josheb]

I hear you, brother. I, too, link my sentiments to the Greek.

Then the question asked should not have been asked and we can discuss the Greek to note the KJV blunder in agreement.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Mr Glee, you posted above, "The word baptize is simply 'wash' like wash dishes it's never about the procedure dip, sprinkle, immerse, spray."

It is apparent the early believers understood and practiced baptizo as immersion—or complete covering. "And he (Philip) commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized (immersed) him. And when they both came out of the water..." (Acts 8:38-40).

"Going down into the water" and "coming out of the water" entails far more than dipping, sprinkling, or spraying. See also Acts 10:47. It is interesting that when Jesus was immersed—covered over or overwhelmed—"He went up from the water..." - a strong indication He went down into the water, for one cannot come out of the water without first going down into the water. Again, sprinkling, spraying, or dipping are not implied.

Believers are "baptized" with the Holy Spirit. If "baptizo" can be translated dipped, sprinklered, or sprayed, which of these did you receive when you gave your life to the Lord? I could share more and more, but this is enough again to counter King James.​

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I was "Placed into union with Christ."

As the children of Israel were "placed into union" with Moses..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

But baptism in water is a command in Scripture:

“"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (Mt 28:19 NKJV)

We find several examples of people being baptized in water when they had become Christians. The Ethiopian whom Philip baptized, the jailer at Philippi, Cornelius, and others.

So why do we read in Scripture of people being baptized in water, if water baptism is merely a carnal ordinance, and no different to the Jewish special way of washing before meals:

“For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash [their] hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders.” (Mr 7:3 NKJV)

baptism is to the church as circumcision was to Israel.

the physical acts are symbols of the very things God himself done. as seen in Col 2. as the ones done not by the hands of men but by the hand of God.

 

[David Lamb]

baptism is to the church as circumcision was to Israel.

the physical acts are symbols of the very things God himself done. as seen in Col 2. as the ones done not by the hands of men but by the hand of God.

To an extent, but not entirely. Circumcision was only for males. Baptism is not. Circumcision was to be performed on babies at 8 days old. Baptism is a sign for people who already have come to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. That is why Philip, when the Ethiopian asked if he could be baptised, answered:

“If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."” (Ac 8:37 NKJV)

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

To an extent, but not entirely. Circumcision was only for males. Baptism is not. Circumcision was to be performed on babies at 8 days old. Baptism is a sign for people who already have come to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. That is why Philip, when the Ethiopian asked if he could be baptised, answered:

“If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."” (Ac 8:37 NKJV)

yes

but what I mean is the both represented cleansing.

the circumcized represented a nation cleansed by God as apposed to the uncircumcized gentile filth

water baptism does the same.. it represents what God did to those who are sanctified from the lost.. through the washing of the Holy SPirit (titus 3)

 

[David Lamb]

yes

but what I mean is the both represented cleansing.

the circumcized represented a nation cleansed by God as apposed to the uncircumcized gentile filth

water baptism does the same.. it represents what God did to those who are sanctified from the lost.. through the washing of the Holy SPirit (titus 3)

In that case, I agree. Thanks for the reply.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

In that case, I agree. Thanks for the reply.

sorry it took me awhile to explain it ..

 

[David Lamb]

sorry it took me awhile to explain it ..

Don't worry about it - no need to apologise, but thanks anyway!