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Jimmy Carter

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Jimmy Carter was the first president to openly support LGBTQ rights. He was the first to meet with gay rights activists and opposed the homophobic California Briggs Initiative. He also endorsed a gay rights plank in the democratic party's platform in 1980 when running for reelection.​

Carter has stated that he supports same-sex marriage in civil ceremonies. He said: "I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture ... I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief.
Gee, and Carter was protestant Baptist Sunday school teacher for decades.

Hypothetical: I wonder what the content of the epistle John or Paul would write to the Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains Georgia when referring to Jimmy.
 

Jimmy Carter was the first president to openly support LGBTQ rights. He was the first to meet with gay rights activists and opposed the homophobic California Briggs Initiative. He also endorsed a gay rights plank in the democratic party's platform in 1980 when running for reelection.​

Carter has stated that he supports same-sex marriage in civil ceremonies. He said: "I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture ... I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief.
Gee, and Carter was protestant Baptist Sunday school teacher for decades.

Hypothetical: I wonder what the content of the epistle John or Paul would write to the Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains Georgia when referring to Jimmy.
That’s surprising since he claimed to be a born again Christian.
 
That’s surprising since he claimed to be a born again Christian.
I had the same reaction. I double checked after my son texted me on the matter.
My dad always voted republican save for when Jimmy ran because of Jimmy's Christian resume. Later dad regretted his vote as he didn't care of Jimmy's politics, though I doubt very much dad knew of this trait of Jimmy's. Jimmy has gone several notches in my impression of the man. If he's in heaven he may be sitting in the very back row with me.
 

Jimmy Carter was the first president to openly support LGBTQ rights. He was the first to meet with gay rights activists and opposed the homophobic California Briggs Initiative. He also endorsed a gay rights plank in the democratic party's platform in 1980 when running for reelection.​

Carter has stated that he supports same-sex marriage in civil ceremonies. He said: "I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture ... I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief.
Gee, and Carter was protestant Baptist Sunday school teacher for decades.
"Support" is too strong of a word.
However I can believe that Jesus might not condemn it but view it as a hardness of man's heart as He did with letting the law accept divorce even thought that was not what Jesus "supported".

Hypothetical: I wonder what the content of the epistle John or Paul would write to the Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains Georgia when referring to Jimmy.
I hope they would still call sin a sin while teaching that all are sinners in need of the Savior's mercy.
 
Did he really? I didn't know that. Good grief.

 

Jimmy Carter was the first president to openly support LGBTQ rights. He was the first to meet with gay rights activists and opposed the homophobic California Briggs Initiative. He also endorsed a gay rights plank in the democratic party's platform in 1980 when running for reelection.​

Carter has stated that he supports same-sex marriage in civil ceremonies. He said: "I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture ... I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief.
Gee, and Carter was protestant Baptist Sunday school teacher for decades.

Hypothetical: I wonder what the content of the epistle John or Paul would write to the Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains Georgia when referring to Jimmy.
This is mostly correct but one or two important details deserve mention.

What Carter did had context, and he was very much an unwitting victim of the time in which he lived. That, therefore, means his example can be understood as a warning to us all and everyone in the generation in which they live. The Civil Rights Movement managed to win its victories with conservative support, NOT liberals (they now re-write history to say otherwise). Many in my experience do not know the first Civil Rights Act was in 1959, not 1954, under the Eisenhower administration and when the '64 rights act and the '65 Voting Rights Acts come to the legislative floor it was Goldberg Republicans that passed the bill, NOT Gore, Sr. and Russell Democrats (the Senate office building is named after the racist Richard Russell). Russell attempted to filibuster the vote to prevent the legislation from becoming law. When MLK, jr. met with LBJ he was told that the Democrat Party would never wholly support any legislation and King's efforts were best spent working the Republican ranks (this is recorded in the biographies of both King and Johnson). Liberals get away misrepresenting this because numerically more Dems voted for the legislation than Repubs, but it was a smaller proportion among Dems than Repubs (60% Dems; 78% Repubs). On top of this was the Viet Nam Conflict, the tragedy at Altamont, left-of-center killers murdering JFK, RFK, and MLK, and the chaos of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in which leftists rioted the leftist convention. It wasn't just chaos for the country; it was internal rejection of the Democratic Party and its policies. The New Deal did not work. That swept Nixon into office and Nixon had to resign under the pressures of Watergate malfeasance and corruption. What the media told us we needed was an upstanding moral man as POTUS.

All that paved the way for the unknown Jimmy Carter, a farmer who'd graduated from the US Naval Academy, and won his early elections riding on the influence of his active participation in his local Baptist congregation. Black got their rights by the time he took office, but other marginalized populations hadn't or, again, so the leftists of that day told everyone. Carter wasn't so much as a gay rights supporter as he was a supporter of applying civil rights to everyone (which is what the classic, mainstream, orthodox viewpoint of civil rights had been on both supporting sides of the political divide). Civil Rights was originally an off-shoot of the Declaration's Preamble declaring all men equal. Modern definitions of "Civil Rights" is far removed from that viewpoint so it's important not to define late-60s/early-70s thought with current practice. Marxists have abused all of this. Marxism is a Statist political philosophy that has no regard for Democrats or Republicans; it's the revolution (and overthrow of all class structures that matters). So, Carter, thinking that applying good civil rights to everyone is a good idea, was very much a victim of his times. Carter didn't wield much authority. Ted Kennedy and Carl Albert ruled the halls of legislation. What power, influence, and authority Carter did possess was inexperienced, and poorly informed by his Christianity. His decision to embargo the Soviet Union and later to boycott the Moscow Olympics seemed like a compassionate alternative to more aggressive responses (following Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba, Chile, Angola, Ethiopia - the Cold and Hot wars were fought globally) his predecessors tried, but they only exacerbated the problem. Lastly (because I know much of this is or seems digressive), Carter gained some commendable ground getting Begin and Sadat together for the Camp David Accords, which ended up killing Sadat but might have led to larger peace in the region had not Carter also tried to straddle the fence with the Shah and the Ayatollah. The loss of relations with Iran ended up undermining everything that might have been accomplished coming away from the Camp David Accords and eventually leading to the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, decades of war and terrorism in that region and abroad, the paradoxically named "Arab Spring," Obama's nonsensical policies and practices, and the current Middle East situation. I won't go into economics, but Carter's economy was a mess.

I voted for the man (before I learned about the history of Democrat politics and got some sense)!

My point being, "gay rights" exploiting civil rights didn't have its impetus in Carter and Carter was largely a victim of his times and that era's social politics, his inexperience and lack of influence, and the internal conflicts between his (one-sided) religious ideals and the demands of being POTUS during a time when the leadership ideals of that office were largely non-existent (which is how Reagan got elected - he took the reins). Think of Walter Mondale as a natural extension and consequence of Democratic thinking beginning with JFX through LBJ, Humphrey, RFK, and Carter.


Oops! One more thought: With the persecution and prosecution of Communists following WWII, culminating in the blacklists and McCarthy Hearings..... Hollywood switched from a largely capitalist and conservative institution to a Marxist one and conservatives have yet to regain a majority there. The same thing happened in Academia and the "news" media. By the time Carter took office these influences were substantive, but few understood them - especially not Carter. It's common knowledge nowadays but it wasn't back then.

I'll answer the question asked in a separate post but that answer begins with Paul understanding the whole problem, not just the singular aspect of "gay rights."
 
Hypothetical: I wonder what the content of the epistle John or Paul would write to the Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains Georgia when referring to Jimmy.
Based on the precedent of the epistolary, I suspect if Paul had visited the US and met with Christians and also separately with political leaders (like Mars Hill) he'd have had some decisive words and most of it would have been evangelistic and proselytizing, and he'd have followed that up with some doctrinal and administrative guidelines for the Church, the ecclesia, or congregations in the US. I suspect he'd been more upset about the sectarian nature of US Christianity and the influence of modern futurism than that of gay rights.

Taking cues from his letter to the Romans he would have reiterated the last half of chapter 1,

Romans 1:13-32
I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that often I have planned to come to you (and have been prevented so far) so that I may obtain some fruit among you also, even as among the rest of the Gentiles. I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish. So, for my part, I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "But the righteous man shall live by faith." For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

And so, the "gay rights" matter would have been seen and expressed as a symptom of a larger problem, not just a problem in and of itself. He would also have tailored that to a post-70 AD world in which the gospel was the prevailing worldview globally.

He then would have probably said something like chapter 12,

Romans 12:1-21
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness. Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor; not lagging behind in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer, contributing to the needs of the saints, practicing hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men. If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay,"* says the Lord. "But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for in doing so you will heap burning coals on his head."* Do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good.

When Christians are both just and loving then non-Christians change, and it has a positive effect outside the body of Christ in the larger culture and society. Simply put, "Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law" (Rom. 13:8). Our job is to love others justly and leave the (eventual and inevitable) wrath and vengeance to God. Or, as James put it, "Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world" (Jms. 1:27).

Then Paul would have followed that up with some decisive words about what to do with the converts of homosexuality, liberalism, Marxism, free-love, and conservativism and legalism. Perhaps something along the lines of his letters to the congregations in Corinth and Galatia. America is a very diverse place. The pluralism is not inherently a problem, but it begets a variety of problems, like antinomianism, relativism, permissiveness, and licentiousness (all of which masquerade under the auspices of tolerance, or at least a degree of tolerance Paul would have repudiated).







* To "heap burning coals on the head" was not a reference to shaming. It was a colloquialism that mean "rekindle the person's warmth and sustenance."
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@Josheb
Gee, you have a vast data base of knowledge and great abilities to articulate thought. Glad your on the reformed side.
 
@Josheb
Gee, you have a vast data base of knowledge and great abilities to articulate thought. Glad your on the reformed side.
Thanks for the kind words.

Part of that knowledge is due to the fact I'm old enough to remember much of Carter's admin. I was a big lib back then. Some of it is due to my picking up a book on American history one day and feeling shocked the magnitude of Democratic politics with which I disagreed. That led to more reading and more shock and, eventually, the realization I wasn't who I thought I was (Oh, no, I'm conservative! 😧). Then I started reading conservative sources and found I thought as they thought (or vice versa, as the case may be). Along the way God called, and I was in for a boatload of more shock (and awe 😉). Had to leave Buddhism. I cut my teeth on Watchman Nee, Francis Schaeffer, and Oswald Chambers; all of whom helped establish in me a Christian worldview I could apply to all aspects of life. As far as the articulation goes, it took me several years to decide on an undergrad major (I used to jokingly refer to it as the 10/4 plan: ten years for a four-year degree 😬) and along the way I studied communication and journalism. I also spent several semesters studying philosophy and its history, wherein I learned my prior affinity with Marx was woefully misguided. It really is an insidious philosophy and its politics reprehensible. Then I quickly discovered the upper echelons of the social sciences, whether academic or professional, do not well tolerate the inarticulate. It looks really bad if you write a psyc eval and can't complete a sentence or don't know basic grammar. Then I married a grade-school teacher and all was lost. We have a magnet on our fridge that reads....

If you correct my grammar
I will think fewer of you
😆

My wife has enough to tolerate without her having to add my grammar to the list. I don't know why all this came as such a shock because when I was in the seventh grade my history teacher gave the class a questionnaire, the results of which supposedly informed which of the multiple political candidates you would be voting for if you were of voting age and my results said I'd be voting for Goldwater! I could have sworn I was rooting for Humphrey (who was really the brainchild of much of that era's Democrat policies). Turns out the quiz was right, and I didn't know my own mind.

Same circuitous route happened theologically. I've been all over the place and for years brought my lust for winning a debate to bear on the robot theologians 😉. Foolish pinheads who think God controls everything so much they're not even choosing the words they're saying in the argument. pffft! But that wretched little book called the Bible kept tripping me up. Aaaarrgh! The Holy Spirit wasn't helping any, or He was but I wasn't heeding any of it. At some point, though, we must come face to face with a single simple fact of reality: we are NOT in charge.

If
God exists
then certain things MUST be.
One of those musts
is
we are not in charge
of anything.​


That's really quite inconvenient :sneaky:, especially for a good, earnest, conscientious synergistic Dispensationalist. Heraclitus was apparently correct: change is the only constant in life.... aside from Jesus, that is :cool:.


Thanks, again, for the kind words.
Glad your on the reformed side.
I suppose, just for the fun of it, I could send a week on the other side and argue against everything you post, if you like 😉. The Lord knows they could use a helping hand 😮 🙂😊😀😃😆😅😂🤣🤣🤣🤣.
 
@Josheb
Gee, you have a vast data base of knowledge and great abilities to articulate thought. Glad your on the reformed side.
Sheesh. Put that cat back in the bag!
 

Jimmy Carter was the first president to openly support LGBTQ rights. He was the first to meet with gay rights activists and opposed the homophobic California Briggs Initiative. He also endorsed a gay rights plank in the democratic party's platform in 1980 when running for reelection.​

Carter has stated that he supports same-sex marriage in civil ceremonies. He said: "I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture ... I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief.
Gee, and Carter was protestant Baptist Sunday school teacher for decades.

Hypothetical: I wonder what the content of the epistle John or Paul would write to the Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains Georgia when referring to Jimmy.
"Homophobic"? I hope that's a quote and not you speaking!

Yeah, when Christians speak well of Carter, I ask them about that.
 
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