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If it's True That Justification by Faith ...

Raised again for/because of our Justification !

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for/because of our justification.

Paul here reveals a profound Truth to believers that very few have the Grace to believe, and thats, all for whom Christ hath been delivered for or because of their sins, upon His Resurrection, the Free Gift of Justification has been applied to them, hence every sinner born into this world as His enemy, as a child of wrath by nature as others Eph 2:3, yet Christ has died for them and risen again for their Justification, they are born into this world discharged from every Sin, Transgression, Trespass, Offence they will ever commit in this world in their flesh through Adam; Their discharge has been APPLIED the millimeter second they enter this world by nature a child of wrath Eph 2:3, their Justification from all things is Just as Valid as Long as Christ Resurrection from the dead is Valid, which is forever, for it is written of Him following His Resurrection for them Rom 6:9

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Understand, He being raised from the dead [because of their Justification Rom 4:25] dieth no more, so they [whom He was raised for their Justification] can never be charged with any sins that brings forth death Rom 6:23, not even for sins they shall commit as children of wrath by nature as others !

Now this does not mean that they are in the flesh immune to feeling sinful, or confession of sin, for David was a Man who was Justified from all sin by non imputation, but did at times feel and confess his sinfulness Ps 32:1-5

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.

4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.

5 I acknowledge my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
However even with that, he and all for whom Christ died are Justified from and acquiited from any and all penalties of it, even from the penalty of unbelief, because ones unbelief and ignorance does not affect or reverse their Justification evidenced by His Resurrection, for its a valid immutable fact while they are unbelieves and enemies and ignorant to the fact of their Justification.

The Testimony of their acquittal by or because of Christ's Resurrection isny changed one iota because of ther unbelief, simply because their Justification is God's Faithfulness to His Son for His Work, not their faith, though it was His Work on their behalf ! The Mercy of Justification is showed to Christ, by applying it to His sinful Seed Ps 89:27-36

27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;

31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.

34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 13
 
Correct. . .justification is a declaration of "not guilty," a sentence of acquittal, a pronouncement of remission of sin because of faith, not before faith.
Incorrect, it [justification] is because of Jesus Christ, then its received by Faith, so Justification is before faith which receives it.
 
Wheras the LCMS Lutherans (whom I disagree on this point) have what they call 'objective justification' where the whole world is justified apart from faith. (Subjective justification involves faith-which I agree)
Interesting. . .

Do you have any clue where the think they find that in the NT?
 
Incorrect, it [justification] is because of Jesus Christ, then its received by Faith, so Justification is before faith which receives it.
Justification, like hydration for example, is not an abstract reality that exists somehwere out in space.
Justification is an action that occurs through faith, just as hydration is an action that occurs through embibement of liguid.
 
Justification, like hydration for example, is not an abstract reality that exists somehwere out in space.
Justification is an action that occurs through faith, just as hydration is an action that occurs through embibement of liguid.
Justification is in Christ, He was made of God unto the elect Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Righteousness and Justification are One ! Christ is our Righteousness b4 we believe, then in Gods time we receive Him as such by Faith
 
Justification is in Christ,
Justification is a declaration of "not guilty,' a sentence of acquittal, a pronounement of sinlessness (which is not righteousness, only sinlessness) through faith.
He was made of God unto the elect Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Righteousness and Justification are One ! Christ is our Righteousness b4 we believe, then in Gods time we receive Him as such by Faith
No justification is a declaration of sinlessness as a result of faith, followed by righteousness which is an acquisition of actual imputed righteousness of Christ.
They go together, like faith and salvation, but justification and righteousness are not the same, just as faith and salvation are not the same.
 
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Interesting. . .

Do you have any clue where the think they find that in the NT?
I believe they keep pointing to 2Corinthians chapter 5, especially v.19

2 Corinthians 5:14,18-19 ESV
For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; [18] All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
There is also,
Romans 5:18 ESV
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
 
Be careful with being Justified by Faith !

Rom 3:28

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 5:1

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Gal 2:16

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

To be Justified by Faith BEFORE GOD cannot mean and does not mean that a person is Justified BEFORE GOD by their own act of human faith or act of believing, simply because that would equate to being Justified by keeping the Law or by works man does !

Thats because Faith is a doing of the Law Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Faith is a weightier matter of the LAW that ought to have been DONE ! Thats a work, there is no escaping that !

The word done here , the greek word ποιέω (poieō) means works :

Matt 7:22

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done G4160 many wonderful works?

Matt 23:5

But all their works they do G4160 for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

So yes, ones own faith is works or doing the law, something required to have been done !

Now with this in mine, the only biblical and scriptural way for a person to be Justified by Faith[BEFORE GOD] apart from the deeds of the Law as in Rom 3:28

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Is when Faith equates/is regards to Christ's Faith / Faithfulness ! See if it be our Faith, then our Law keeping Justified us before God, but if it is His Faith/Faithfulness, then that is what Justified us before God, take your pick , for it cannot be both ! Either the sinners Law Keeping Justified us before God, or the Saviors Law keeping Justified us before God, because Faith is a work of the Law Matt 23:23 !
 
Justification is a declaration of "not guilty,' a sentence of acquittal, a pronounement of sinlessness (which is not righteousness, only sinlessness) through faith.

No justification is a declaration of sinlessness as a result of faith, followed by righteousness which is an acquisition of actual imputed righteousness of Christ.
They go together, like faith and salvation, but justification and righteousness are not the same, just as faith and salvation are not the same.
So are you saying Im wrong about Justification being in Christ ? The Prophet said Isa 45:24-25

24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

In the original the word ṣāḏaq is translated righteousness in Isa 45:24 and Justified in Isa 45:25 the same exact word. Can you explain that if they are not one and the same ?
 
I believe they keep pointing to 2Corinthians chapter 5, especially v.19

2 Corinthians 5:14,18-19 ESV
For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; [18] All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
There is also,
Romans 5:18 ESV
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
Ignoring v. 17. . ."those who receive. . .the gift of righteousness. . .reign in life," which gift is only through the gift (Php 1:29, 2 Pe 1:1, Ac 13:48, 18:27, Ro 12:3) of faith (Eph 2:8-9).
 
So are you saying Im wrong about Justification being in Christ ? The Prophet said Isa 45:24-25

24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

In the original the word ṣāḏaq is translated righteousness in Isa 45:24 and Justified in Isa 45:25 the same exact word. Can you explain that if they are not one and the same ?
I am speaking of the NT Greek, not the OT Hebrew.
 
Ignoring v. 17. . ."those who receive. . .the gift of righteousness. . .reign in life," which gift is only through the gift (Php 1:29, 2 Pe 1:1, Ac 13:48, 18:27, Ro 12:3) of faith (Eph 2:8-9).
Like I said, it is a point I disagreed with. The Bible doesn't use categories like objective and subjective justification, and as you say, ' justification is by faith.' I think OJ is the only way they can hold together their doctrine of Christ dying for all.
 
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