How old is the earth?

[prism]

@prism Re: Post 639
Me too. I was just going to hybridize some Irises, simple cross polination. Yeah right!
Wham! Diploid, Tetraploid, Hexaploid, Polyploid.
It means different varieties within the same species have different numbers of chromosome.
Humans are diploid, 2 complete sets of chromosomes, one from each parent.
Plants can be polyploid, Tetraploid, 4 sets chromosomes, Hexaploid 6 sets of chromosomes.
Hybridizing polyploidal plants get complicated as it is difficult to cross breed the polyploids (Tetraploid with Hexaploid, for example)

As I noted earlier, simple cross pollination of Polyploid plants, Diploid, Tetraploids, Hexaploids results in mostly sterile seeds or very weak plants because of the problems of matching all those chromosomes.
This is now greatly facilitated by irradiation which was replaced by chemical colchicine.
It became easy, abt 1920-1930 to hybridize the polyploids using those tools
It revolutionized plant breeding, resulting in an explosion of new variations.

But for me, without access to radiation equipment or colchicine, it meant I had to know the Ploidal state of the Iris I was attempting to cross and the problems associated with same. Applied genetics.

Thanks, very informative @QVQ , but I'm still trying to figure out how all that relates to the age of this terrestrial ball?

 

[QVQ]

Thanks, very informative @QVQ , but I'm still trying to figure out how all that relates to the age of this terrestrial ball?

It has wandered a bit off topic
But granted, the age of the earth and how old the earth must be to have evolved is basically the premise of the evolution arguments.
No Evolution, then the age of the earth could be anywhere from 6,000 to 200,000 yrs old, based on other scientific facts.
It is Darwinian Evolution that needs Old Earth for the mechanisms of evolution to be plausible

 

[prism]

It has wandered a bit off topic
But granted, the age of the earth and how old the earth must be to have evolved is basically the premise of the evolution arguments.
No Evolution, then the age of the earth could be anywhere from 6,000 to 200,000 yrs old, based on other scientific facts.
It is Darwinian Evolution that needs Old Earth for the mechanisms of evolution to be plausible

I won't even go near 200,000 years, at least as far as mankind on this earth goes. There would be too much genealogy gaps to in to fit the biblical record. Even 20,000 would be stretching things.

 

[Rella]

It has wandered a bit off topic
But granted, the age of the earth and how old the earth must be to have evolved is basically the premise of the evolution arguments.
No Evolution, then the age of the earth could be anywhere from 6,000 to 200,000 yrs old, based on other scientific facts.
It is Darwinian Evolution that needs Old Earth for the mechanisms of evolution to be plausible

What matters as I see it, is not so much what the potential age of this ball of mud we walk on is but of the quasi-verifiable
fact that from us here today , going backwards we can fairly well know the age of ... I wont say the earth but of life... to Adam.

I refuse to believe in straight out evolution. I do believe in the science of crossbreeding.

And not necessarily man making it happen but certain animals who may be together when the female comes into heat.

In my own mind I cannot rationalize actual physical life before Adam, but believe it was there because scripturally we are not told of
Neanderthals nor Denosivians into Adam and forweard.

AI says
Neanderthals and Denisovans are both extinct archaic human species that interbred with modern humans (Homo sapiens) during the Paleolithic era. Genetic evidence shows that many contemporary populations carry a small percentage of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA, influencing various traits in modern humans.

Now, I had my DNA done at 3 different sources. 23 and Me, Ancestry.com, and through the Smithsonian.

I was specifically looking for me having traces of Jewish blood in me. I DONT, but I want it..... Some day I will explain. But

All 3 of them told me I had trace variants of Neanderthal. 23 and me said, at the time about 6 or so years ago, that I had more trace variants
then 92$ of their current members.

I only say that because that carries my blood tracing before Adam because only in the bible do we read of the Sons of God marrying the Daughters of man and producing Nephilim.

But certainly they could not have come from 200,000 years ago.

 

[prism]

All 3 of them told me I had trace variants of Neanderthal. 23 and me said, at the time about 6 or so years ago, that I had more trace variants
then 92$ of their current members

SMH, would that be surprising, seeing the majority of mankind, according to evolutionary theory, came from Neanderthals?

 

[Rella]

SMH, would that be surprising, seeing the majority of mankind, according to evolutionary theory, came from Neanderthals?

But that is not evolution, that is sex.

As in a mama and a daddy got together....................

You do not believe in Gen 6: 1-4 do you?

Or, Dont you believe in the Neanderthals or Denisovans ?

Here is a write up from the Natural History Museum

Neanderthals, or Homo neanderthalensis, were an extinct group of archaic humans who lived in Europe and parts of Asia from about 400,000 to 40,000 years ago. They are our closest known relatives and are characterized by their robust build, prominent brow ridges, and sophisticated tool use.

Natural History Museum​

Wikipedia​

Overview of Neanderthals​

Neanderthals, scientifically known as Homo neanderthalensis, are an extinct group of archaic humans. They lived in Europe and parts of Western and Central Asia during the Middle to Late Pleistocene, approximately 400,000 to 40,000 years ago. Their extinction coincided with the arrival of modern humans, Homo sapiens.

Physical Characteristics​

Neanderthals had distinct physical traits that set them apart from modern humans:

Skull Shape	Long and low	High and rounded
Brow Ridge	Prominent and heavy	Less pronounced
Body Structure	Stocky and robust	Generally taller and slimmer
Brain Size	1,200 to 1,750 cm³	Similar range
Average Height	1.50 to 1.75 m	Varies widely
Weight	64 to 82 kg	Varies widely

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Neanderthals​

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Modern Humans​

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Lifestyle and Culture​

Neanderthals were skilled hunters and gatherers. They primarily consumed large game, plants, and fungi. They created Mousterian stone tools and possibly wore clothing made from animal hides. Evidence suggests they may have used fire and engaged in burial practices, indicating some form of social structure.

Genetic Legacy​

Modern non-African humans carry about 1% to 2% Neanderthal DNA, a result of interbreeding that occurred when early modern humans migrated out of Africa and encountered Neanderthals. This genetic exchange has implications for understanding human health and evolution.
Neanderthals are our closest ancient relatives, and studying them helps us learn more about human evolution and the complexities of our shared history.

Natural History Museum​

 

[CrowCross]

Modern non-African humans carry about 1% to 2% Neanderthal DNA,

I'm not sure if I can trust that %. They tell us Humans and chimps are 98.8% the same....which we know is bogus.
from what i read it's more like 14%.

 

[Rella]

I'm not sure if I can trust that %. They tell us Humans and chimps are 98.8% the same....which we know is bogus.
from what i read it's more like 14%.

14% Neanderthal?

Gee, if true and I am showing more vairants then 92% of the members...

I must be ... well I dont know.

I do know that I feel pain much differently then regular folks, and
I feel cold just awful.

Of course those are traits a lot of redheads share... were Neanderthals' redheads? does anyone know?

Well, was gonna attach another file with a bag over my head but am only allowed 1 at a time

 

[prism]

Or, Dont you believe in the Neanderthals or Denisovans ?

Yes, I do, aren't they the ones pushing the evolutionary theories?

Neanderthals, or Homo neanderthalensis, were an extinct group of archaic humans who lived in Europe and parts of Asia from about 400,000 to 40,000 years ago. They are our closest known relatives and are characterized by their robust build, prominent brow ridges, and sophisticated tool use.

Like I said, 20,000 years is the max I would go, taking into account genealogical gaps in scripture. Unless you want to scratch the Bible and then no one is a Christian.

Overview of Neanderthals​

Neanderthals, scientifically known as Homo neanderthalensis, are an extinct group of archaic humans. They lived in Europe and parts of Western and Central Asia during the Middle to Late Pleistocene, approximately 400,000 to 40,000 years ago. Their extinction coincided with the arrival of modern humans, Homo sapiens.

They also live in upper academia.
Romans 1:22 KJV
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 

[Rella]

Yes, I do, aren't they the ones pushing the evolutionary theories?

Like I said, 20,000 years is the max I would go, taking into account genealogical gaps in scripture. Unless you want to scratch the Bible and then no one is a Christian.

They also live in upper academia.
Romans 1:22 KJV
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

I have to do a little investigating... In the meantime, thanks, I think

 

[EarlyActs]

I won't even go near 200,000 years, at least as far as mankind on this earth goes. There would be too much genealogy gaps to in to fit the biblical record. Even 20,000 would be stretching things.

There is also another possible reason to shorten the 6000 in current years.

The earth may have moved faster before the cataclysm than after, an annual trip around the sun may have been faster back then, but still called a year. Velikovsky, a pal of Einstein, mentions this. He predicted Jupiter would be found radioactively hot by Viking, and it was.

This would need to be factored into the longevity we find in ancient tables and genealogies.

 

[EarlyActs]

I won't even go near 200,000 years, at least as far as mankind on this earth goes. There would be too much genealogy gaps to in to fit the biblical record. Even 20,000 would be stretching things.

Do,you distinguish between the week of creation (and forward) from previous lifeless existence of the earth?

 

[CrowCross]

Of course those are traits a lot of redheads share... were Neanderthals' redheads? does anyone know?

Were some of the offspring of the Nephelim redheads?

 

[CrowCross]

I won't even go near 200,000 years, at least as far as mankind on this earth goes. There would be too much genealogy gaps to in to fit the biblical record. Even 20,000 would be stretching things.

I agree. Bishop Ussher may have been off a few years...but not 12,000 years.

Anyone can open their bible and do the math.

 

[CrowCross]

He predicted Jupiter would be found radioactively hot by Viking, and it was.

Russ Humphreys using the current magnetic field tells why the earth is young.
Using his biblical model he was able to predict the magnetic fields of Uranus and Neptune. If you're interested you can read more here.

 

[Rella]

Were some of the offspring of the Nephelim redheads?

Well now, that is a thought but at 5'-1 3/4 " tall a giant gene certainly is not in me

 

[CrowCross]

Well now, that is a thought but at 5'-1 3/4 " tall a giant gene certainly is not in me

LOL....I hope not. I trust you don't have six fingers and a double row of teeth.

 

[Rella]

LOL....I hope not. I trust you don't have six fingers and a double row of teeth.

Nope

 

[John Bauer]

SMH, would that be surprising, seeing the majority of mankind, according to evolutionary theory, came from Neanderthals?

That is incorrect. According to the theory (which explains the evidence), Neanderthals are cousins, not ancestors—we lived alongside them, we did not come from them.

One popular idea is that populations of Homo heidelbergensis diverged in the Middle Pleistocene epoch (~700,000 years ago), with some becoming Neanderthals (West Eurasia), others becoming Denisovans (East Eurasia), and still others becoming early modern Humans (Africa).

 

[John Bauer]

14% Neanderthal?

No, he was saying the difference between humans and chimpanzees is not 1 percent (99% similar) but more like 14 percent (86% similar).

And he doesn't seem to understand that both are true.