How old is the earth?

[Carbon]

Why would it be impossible? Serious question. (especially when the bible said it was)

The bible never says dinosaurs entered the Ark. We can assume they did, but you have no real proof.

 

[Carbon]

Where does the bible speak of a pre-Adamic world with dinosaurs?

Curious, what do you think was happening outside the Garden of Eden? Do you believe there may have been dinosaurs?

 

[CrowCross]

I wouldn't say impossible.

I would say a global flood was possible.

If you had a big old bulldozer...you could push all the dry land into the water.

 

[miss managed]

I wouldn't say impossible.

Well, God and His ways are beyond me; I cannot see into His secret council. I am not 100% convinced of a young earth, nor am I 100% convinced of an old earth. Though I do lean towards an old earth.

I find it interesting how young earthers can say the first six days were a literal 24-hour period, and I heard it said by some, we are not through the seventh day yet, so the only day that isn't a 24-hour period is the 7th day? There is a problem with the 7th day, I suppose. If God made everything in six days (periods of time), then the seventh day, if it we are still in it, fits right in as a period of time. Old Earth would make sense.
Is there an 8th day?

Personally, I do not believe we can read Genesis and come to a positive conclusion that the six days were literally 24-hour periods. An old earth does no damage to Genesis whatsoever.

Does it make a difference? Some reformers like John Owen, whom I admire greatly, say it does matter, and he believes in a young earth.
I just do not see how.

Well said Brother.

 

[Carbon]

I would say a global flood was possible. View attachment 1172

If you had a big old bulldozer...you could push all the dry land into the water.

I believe a global flood is possible also. With the firmament above the earth and the water on the earth, it was quite possible.

 

[Carbon]

Well said Brother.

Thank you

 

[CrowCross]

The bible never says dinosaurs entered the Ark. We can assume they did, but you have no real proof.

Yes it does.

2You are to take with you seven pairs ofa every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate; a pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate;

I believe the Behemoth of Job 40:15 was a dino.

 

[miss managed]

I believe a global flood is possible also. With the firmament above the earth and the water on the earth, it was quite possible.

That is believed by many to be the pre-Adamite flood... 'The spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters....

 

[Carbon]

Yes it does.

2You are to take with you seven pairs ofa every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate; a pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate;

Well, if dinosaurs were walking then, then yes, you're right. But outside the garden, a lot of time passed on Earth. And that could really change things.

 

[CrowCross]

That is believed by many to be the pre-Adamite flood... 'The spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

There are better verses to use.

Some use this verse...But I don't think it explain a pre-Adamic earth that was destroyed.

23I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and void;....sounds like Gen 1
I looked to the heavens,
and they had no light.
24I looked at the mountains,
and behold, they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.
25I looked, and no man was left;
all the birds of the air had fled.
26I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert.
All its cities were torn down
before the LORD,
before His fierce anger.

 

[CrowCross]

Well, if dinosaurs were walking then, then yes, you're right. But outside the garden, a lot of time passed on Earth. And that could really change things.

You'll need to explain what a lot of time passed outside the garden means.

 

[Carbon]

You'll need to explain what a lot of time passed outside the garden means.

Well, I believe Eden was paradise. It was a type of heaven. Probably no time passed.
Outside the garden, it was not paradise. Time passed. I think you can pick it up from there?

 

[CrowCross]

Well, I believe Eden was paradise. It was a type of heaven. Probably no time passed.
Outside the garden, it was not paradise. Time passed. I think you can pick it up from there?

Gen 3:8 seems to mention time...
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

The cool of the day seems to indicate there were other portions of the day...which required time to move.

I think you can pick it up from there.

 

[Carbon]

Gen 3:8 seems to mention time...
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

The cool of the day seems to indicate there were other portions of the day...which required time to move.

I think you can pick it up from there.

Brother, you might be right. There is a lot about creation.

 

[John Bauer]

It's possible

No, it's not. Noah's ark wasn't 65 million years ago.

 

[Carbon]

No, it's not. Noah's ark wasn't 65 million years ago.

Well that’s true, it wasn’t 65 million yeas ago.

 

[QVQ]

OP is How old is the earth
Webb Telescope is finding mature spiral Galxies at 200 million years from the Big Bang
I watched a video of scientists discussing that yesterday
The scientist all agreed that those Galaxies could Not Evolve in that amount of time
They had theories, Pre Big Bang, Multiple Big Bangs, Embedded Universes, or Galaxies were actually less formed according to the theory evolution.
What none of them stated was all those Galaxies were created fully formed within the time, 200 m yrs of the Big Bang
No evolution

If we then strip the time out of the cosmos and simply say Distance, then we are not billions of years from those Galaxies We are only so many miles from them.
The time parameter the scientist set for the formation of those Galaxies is 200 million years.
Therefore Earth, if the Milky Way were fully formed, must be within that original 200 million years

But, but, but..there wasn't time for those galaxies to evolve within that time
There was certainly time for God to create those Galaxies.

So, my two cents is Minus 200 million years.

 

[CrowCross]

They had theories, Pre Big Bang, Multiple Big Bangs, Embedded Universes, Universes were actually less formed and within the parameters of evolution theory.

I'm still going with God said it and spread it.

 

[EarlyActs]

The OP is How old is the earth
Webb Telescope is finding mature spiral universes at 200 million years from the Big Bang
I watched a video of scientists discussing that yesterday
The scientist all agreed that those universes could Not Evolve in that amount of time
They had theories, Pre Big Bang, Multiple Big Bangs, Embedded Universes, Universes were actually less formed according to the theory evolution.
What none of them stated all those universes were created fully formed within the time, 200 m yrs of the Big Bang
No evolution
If we then strip the time out of the cosmos and simply say Distance, then we are not billions of years from those universes. We are only so many miles from them.
The time parameter the scientist set for the formation of those universes is 200 million years.
Therefore Earth, in man time, must be within that original 200 million years

But, but, but..there wasn't time for those universes to evolve within that time
There was certainly time for God to create those univeres.

So, my two cents is Minus 200 million years.

My view is that some time before Day 1, so long as it is lifeless, is not an issue. The 'spreading out' of Job/Psalms/Isaiah is not Gen 1's careful placement of objects and systems. Some of the factors limiting time before Day 1 would be the travel of starlight, since I think Day 1 light is general starlight arriving (not local objects), and the duration of the traceability of C14. It appears that the samples being read about these questions can only signal for 56K years at the most.

 

[QVQ]

Gen 1's careful placement of objects and systems.

Genesis 1 is the careful placement of objects and systems
The Big Bang is an explosion and was first proposed by Hawkings in 1988

Here is the formula for the Hubble Constant
equation: speed = distance divided by time.
The Hubble constant tells us the speed of an object at any distance, and since the distance between all objects in the universe before any expansion must have been zero, the time in this equation must be the age of the universe."

Big Bang Explosion
At the time of the Big Bang, a tremendous explosion, a formless ooze was hurled into space, the distance between objects would be zero.

Creation
In Genesis, the objects and systems were carefully placed, the distance would be wherever the Creator placed them.

This is information from an article in Phy Org.
The Big Surprise From Webb Telescope, Map of Early Universe (University of California, Santa Barbara)
"The best measurements from Hubble suggested that galaxies within the first 500 million years would be incredibly rare,"
Webb Telescope "we see roughly 10 times more galaxies than expected at these incredible distances. We're also seeing supermassive black holes that are not even visible with Hubble." And they're not just seeing more, they're seeing different types of galaxies and black holes."

That means the distance of objects and systems 500 million years after the theoretical Big Bang could not have been 0.