Hello folks

[miss managed]

See you around the forum. Retired and enjoying life.

 

[Arial]

See you around the forum. Retired and enjoying life.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[makesends]

See you around the forum. Retired and enjoying life.

Hello, miss managed. Please tell us a little about yourself. What you believe, what your inclinations are etc. Why you believe what you do.

 

[miss managed]

Hello, miss managed. Please tell us a little about yourself. What you believe, what your inclinations are etc. Why you believe what you do.

I've been retired for 9 years yet work on one of the oldest farms on the outskirts of my city. I retired from the mechanics field specializing on diesels trucks and equipment. I went to West coast Bible College which no longer exist.

My beliefs have progressively changed over the years. I'm not a literal 6-day creationist, not a pre-tribber, not a Preterist, not a Trinitarian. Neither do I believe that Rome is the end time culprit. People are moving away from these in droves.

 

[makesends]

I've been retired for 9 years yet work on one of the oldest farms on the outskirts of my city. I retired from the mechanics field specializing on diesels trucks and equipment. I went to West coast Bible College which no longer exist.

My beliefs have progressively changed over the years. I'm not a literal 6-day creationist, not a pre-tribber, not a Preterist, not a Trinitarian. Neither do I believe that Rome is the end time culprit. People are moving away from these in droves.

Thanks. Do you have a cogent description of the nature/being/function/etc of the Son of God and of the Spirit of God as not divinity, or do you just say that you don't know? Is it just that orthodoxy doesn't make sense on that? Start a discussion thread on that if you like. Might be interesting.

 

[miss managed]

Thanks. Do you have a cogent description of the nature/being/function/etc of the Son of God and of the Spirit of God as not divinity, or do you just say that you don't know? Is it just that orthodoxy doesn't make sense on that? Start a discussion thread on that if you like. Might be interesting.

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

This is my opinion...

The 'hypostatic union' destroys the atonement. If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

The bible says Jesus was tempted IN EVERY WAY AND THAT HE KNEW TEMPTATION. It also says that "God cannot be tempted and therefore cannot sin."

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway - ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax and the atonement for sin a complete hoax - think about it.

 

[EarlyActs]

I've been retired for 9 years yet work on one of the oldest farms on the outskirts of my city. I retired from the mechanics field specializing on diesels trucks and equipment. I went to West coast Bible College which no longer exist.

My beliefs have progressively changed over the years. I'm not a literal 6-day creationist, not a pre-tribber, not a Preterist, not a Trinitarian. Neither do I believe that Rome is the end time culprit. People are moving away from these in droves.

Welcome Miss Managed,
I would be interested in hearing about the 6 day problem, because my research is that the distant universe may be older, because the text was only referring to local things. (This is due to operating in English, and not seeing things in Hebrew even if it is just by transliteration).

Also my impression is that people are moving toward more preterism than ever, because we now know more about the Jewish War conflict and its comparative background to late Acts. But if you know an article, please let me know. I don't mean the 'silly' kind of Preterism which is just as hardened as Futurism, but I do mean those paying attention, for ex., to how historical Mt 24 etc actually is. They also move this direction because so many modern claims are stuck in failure or misguidednesss; for ex., the rabbi who said he found a chunk of the Cornerstone in the rubble of the King David Hotel in 1947 or so. There's a bit of a NT conflict there.

 

[Fred]

not a Trinitarian.

I know some Unitarians believe it is okay to pray to Jesus, while others say it is not to be done.

What's your position on this?

 

[miss managed]

I know some Unitarians believe it is okay to pray to Jesus, while others say it is not to be done.

What's your position on this?

A trinitarian believes Jesus is the same person as God the Father - yet that Jesus is the same person and NOT God . So a trinity is a complicated, contradictory mess. That's the craziness of the trinity triangle

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

We are told to pray to the Father in Jesus' name.

 

[miss managed]

I agree, but does that mean prayer is to be only to the Father?

I believe God hears our prayers anyway. I don't care how it works - I do know it works.

 

[makesends]

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

This is my opinion...

The 'hypostatic union' destroys the atonement. If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

The bible says Jesus was tempted IN EVERY WAY AND THAT HE KNEW TEMPTATION. It also says that "God cannot be tempted and therefore cannot sin."

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway - ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax and the atonement for sin a complete hoax - think about it.

Do you mind if we take this to another thread/forum? It isn't the purpose of this forum "board".

 

[makesends]

Welcome Miss Managed,
I would be interested in hearing about the 6 day problem, because my research is that the distant universe may be older, because the text was only referring to local things. (This is due to operating in English, and not seeing things in Hebrew even if it is just by transliteration).

Also my impression is that people are moving toward more preterism than ever, because we now know more about the Jewish War conflict and its comparative background to late Acts. But if you know an article, please let me know. I don't mean the 'silly' kind of Preterism which is just as hardened as Futurism, but I do mean those paying attention, for ex., to how historical Mt 24 etc actually is. They also move this direction because so many modern claims are stuck in failure or misguidednesss; for ex., the rabbi who said he found a chunk of the Cornerstone in the rubble of the King David Hotel in 1947 or so. There's a bit of a NT conflict there.

Let's take this to another board, another thread. Would you do the honors? And keep it civil, please. Include the handle/avatar of your opponent — @miss managed , and I would appreciate mine there too, so I don't miss it.

 

[miss managed]

Do you mind if we take this to another thread/forum? It isn't the purpose of this forum "board".

Do what you like.

 

[Carbon]

See you around the forum. Retired and enjoying life.

Nice to have you here. Enjoy.


Blessings

 

[CrowCross]

A trinitarian believes Jesus is the same person as God the Father - yet that Jesus is the same person and NOT God . So a trinity is a complicated, contradictory mess. That's the craziness of the trinity triangle

By claiming Jesus isn't God...you claim that Jesus didn't come in the flesh and according to scripture that is the spirit of the antichrist.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Yes, the trinity is complicated...but the doesn't me it's not so.

Have you never read....John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning======> The Word became flesh?

 

[Rella]

A trinitarian believes Jesus is the same person as God the Father - yet that Jesus is the same person and NOT God . So a trinity is a complicated, contradictory mess. That's the craziness of the trinity triangle

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

We are told to pray to the Father in Jesus' name.

Pardon me @miss managed

A slight correction here on trinitarian beliefs. At least mine.

I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. NOT 3 separate Gods but 3 individuals within the God Head.

Hope that helps.

 

[miss managed]

Pardon me @miss managed

A slight correction here on trinitarian beliefs. At least mine.

I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. NOT 3 separate Gods but 3 individuals within the God Head.

Hope that helps.

That's what I mean by saying there's really no Trinitarian standard of belief. That's how messed up the doctrine is, however - the doctrine does state that Jesus is God, but that Jesus is not God.

 

[Hazelelponi]

That's what I mean by saying there's really no Trinitarian standard of belief. That's how messed up the doctrine is, however - the doctrine does state that Jesus is God, but that Jesus is not God.

Hello and welcome to the forum.

I thought you might like to know people aren't automatons, and each person might use their own words to describe the same thing.

For example there's no difference in 2025 between the word "person" and the word "individual". The two words are able to be used interchangeably.

Because we all speak with different accents and/or different cultural or linguistic backgrounds we might choose to use different words which mean the same thing, to explain the Trinity.

This is actually helpful because when you hear two or three different wordings most people can grasp what is being communicated regardless of their own cultural and linguistic background.

Don't you enjoy going to Bible Hub and seeing all the different translations? This can actually help us to better understand particularly difficult verses sometimes.

I hope you have a wonderful time learning here, it's a beautiful place to kick back and learn about how Scripture defines our Faith.

 

[Rella]

That's what I mean by saying there's really no Trinitarian standard of belief. That's how messed up the doctrine is, however - the doctrine does state that Jesus is God, but that Jesus is not God.

The doctrine is about 3. If Jesus was God the father then there would be only 2.

God in 3 persons ( three), blessed Trinity. Three persons in the Godhead.

 

[Arial]

That's what I mean by saying there's really no Trinitarian standard of belief. That's how messed up the doctrine is, however - the doctrine does state that Jesus is God, but that Jesus is not God.

You have been told and shown that that is not the case. So don't make the accusation again.