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● Gen 17:3b-4 . . and God spoke to him further: As for Me, this is My covenant with
you: You shall be the father of a multitude of nations.
That announcement regards nations rather than individuals. Abram is well known as
the father of the Jews, but he is also father of more than just them. The majority of
Abram's progeny is Gentile and a very large number of those are Arabs.
Besides Ishmael and Isaac, Abraham also engendered Zimran, Jokshan, Medan,
Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Over the years millions of people have descended from
those eight men who are all Abram's blood kin; both Jew and Gentile.
● Gen 17:5 . . And you shall no longer be called Abram, but your name shall be
Abraham, for I make you the father of a multitude of nations.
Abraham's original name was 'Abram (ab-rawm') which means: high, or exalted
father. In other words: a daddy; as the respectable head of a single family unit.
Abram's new name 'Abraham (ab-raw-hawm') means: father of a multitude of
family units. In other words: not just the paterfamilias of a single family unit; but
the rootstock of entire communities.
* The title "father" isn't limited to parents; it also applies to strong spiritual
personages. (e.g. 2Kgs 2:12 & Isa 9:6)
● Gen 17:6 . . I will make you exceedingly fertile, and make nations of you; and
kings shall come forth from you.
The king who matters most is Messiah.
"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."
(Matt 1:1)
● Gen 17:7a . . I will maintain My covenant between me and you, and your
offspring to come,
The word for "maintain" is basically means: to rise (in various applications, literal,
figurative, intensive and causative). The very first instance of that word is Gen 4:8.
"Cain rose up against his brother Abel and killed him."
That's kind of negative. Here's a passage that really says what God meant.
"Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters. They came to draw water, and filled
the troughs to water their father's flock; but shepherds came and drove them off.
Moses rose to their defense, and he watered their flock. When they returned to
their father Reuel, he said: How is it that you have come back so soon today? They
answered: An Egyptian protected us from the shepherds; he even drew water for
us and watered the flock." (Ex 2:16-19)
The "offspring to come" was Isaac's and Jacob's rather than every last one of
Abraham's posterity.
● Gen 17:7b . . as an everlasting covenant throughout the ages,
Abraham's covenant is permanent; has never been annulled, deleted, made
obsolete, abrogated, set aside, given to another people, nor replaced by another
covenant. In point of fact, even Christians benefit from Abraham's covenant. (Eph
2:11-22 and Gal 3:26-28)
God promised Abraham He would guard the safety of this particular covenant
Himself personally. The covenant God made with Moses' people as per Deut 29:9
15 neither supersedes, amends, nor replaces the covenant God made with Abraham
in this chapter (Gal 3:17). Attempts been made to package all the covenants into a
single security like a Wall Street derivative similar to a collateralized debt obligation
(CDO). But that just creates a bubble and is really asking for trouble.
● Gen 17:7c . . to be a god to you and to your offspring to come.
This part of the covenant is somewhat conditional. It will only include those among
male Hebrews that undergo the circumcision coming up in the next few passages.
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● Gen 17:3b-4 . . and God spoke to him further: As for Me, this is My covenant with
you: You shall be the father of a multitude of nations.
That announcement regards nations rather than individuals. Abram is well known as
the father of the Jews, but he is also father of more than just them. The majority of
Abram's progeny is Gentile and a very large number of those are Arabs.
Besides Ishmael and Isaac, Abraham also engendered Zimran, Jokshan, Medan,
Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Over the years millions of people have descended from
those eight men who are all Abram's blood kin; both Jew and Gentile.
● Gen 17:5 . . And you shall no longer be called Abram, but your name shall be
Abraham, for I make you the father of a multitude of nations.
Abraham's original name was 'Abram (ab-rawm') which means: high, or exalted
father. In other words: a daddy; as the respectable head of a single family unit.
Abram's new name 'Abraham (ab-raw-hawm') means: father of a multitude of
family units. In other words: not just the paterfamilias of a single family unit; but
the rootstock of entire communities.
* The title "father" isn't limited to parents; it also applies to strong spiritual
personages. (e.g. 2Kgs 2:12 & Isa 9:6)
● Gen 17:6 . . I will make you exceedingly fertile, and make nations of you; and
kings shall come forth from you.
The king who matters most is Messiah.
"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."
(Matt 1:1)
● Gen 17:7a . . I will maintain My covenant between me and you, and your
offspring to come,
The word for "maintain" is basically means: to rise (in various applications, literal,
figurative, intensive and causative). The very first instance of that word is Gen 4:8.
"Cain rose up against his brother Abel and killed him."
That's kind of negative. Here's a passage that really says what God meant.
"Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters. They came to draw water, and filled
the troughs to water their father's flock; but shepherds came and drove them off.
Moses rose to their defense, and he watered their flock. When they returned to
their father Reuel, he said: How is it that you have come back so soon today? They
answered: An Egyptian protected us from the shepherds; he even drew water for
us and watered the flock." (Ex 2:16-19)
The "offspring to come" was Isaac's and Jacob's rather than every last one of
Abraham's posterity.
● Gen 17:7b . . as an everlasting covenant throughout the ages,
Abraham's covenant is permanent; has never been annulled, deleted, made
obsolete, abrogated, set aside, given to another people, nor replaced by another
covenant. In point of fact, even Christians benefit from Abraham's covenant. (Eph
2:11-22 and Gal 3:26-28)
God promised Abraham He would guard the safety of this particular covenant
Himself personally. The covenant God made with Moses' people as per Deut 29:9
15 neither supersedes, amends, nor replaces the covenant God made with Abraham
in this chapter (Gal 3:17). Attempts been made to package all the covenants into a
single security like a Wall Street derivative similar to a collateralized debt obligation
(CDO). But that just creates a bubble and is really asking for trouble.
● Gen 17:7c . . to be a god to you and to your offspring to come.
This part of the covenant is somewhat conditional. It will only include those among
male Hebrews that undergo the circumcision coming up in the next few passages.
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