Gen 6:1-5 The Historical Views

[Arial]

From what I understand the last 2 books of Enoch were written later. The first two are believed to have been written by the hand of Enoch.

Back to the DNA....will you ever tell me where the giants came from?
How did humans procreated and make giants?
In a previous post you told me the biblical giants were real....so, where did they come from?

I don't use your definition of "giant" which is a definition found nowhere. Here is the defintion of "giant".

an imaginary creature like a man but extremely tall, strong, and usually very cruel, appearing especially in children's stories

someone who is taller or larger than usual
a very successful and powerful person or organization:

Synonyms:



astronomical (LARGE) informal
big (LARGE)
colossal
enormous
gargantuan
gigantic
ginormous informal
great (BIG)
hefty
huge
immense
jumbo
large
mammoth

 

[Arial]

Are you now saying Jude was foolish when he quoted from it? How about Moses?

Did you not read post 57?

Moses didn't quote Enoch. Enoch the seventh from Adam didn't even write Enoch 6.

 

[Arial]

@CrowCross

Can we stop talking about giants now? Imma gittin' skeert.

 

[Arial]

Not at that time. The fall came later. Then again you already knew that.

But you have them as fallen angels in Gen 6.

OK, you can try to explain it away if you like...but Angels were directly created by Jesus. That is Angels have no parents such as we do.

because they are a direct creation they would be considered as "sons of God". Fallen or not.

Is that the identifyer of "sons of God"? Is Satan a son of God? I ask in order to try and get you to see the holes in your reasoning so you can not leave them there.

I said I don't know if the "sons of God" fell at Gen 6 or prior to it.

You speculated that they might have. Another big hole in speculative reasoning.

No. It's relevant. The Prince of Persia is one of the rulers, one of the authorities, a part of the cosmic powers over this present darkness. One of the the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.....working for Satan.

These directly control certain humans....through proxy...and control certain events around the world.

Again. For the third time. Who gave Satan proxy?

 

[CrowCross]

an imaginary creature like a man but extremely tall, strong, and usually very cruel, appearing especially in children's stories

Here lies your problem....you claim the Nephillim mentioned in the bible who are also identified as Giants ...are imaginary.

Once again....where did the nephilim come from? Will you ever answer the question?

Again. For the third time. Who gave Satan proxy?

Once again...Satan uses proxy.

 

[John Bauer]

If Goliath was only a 6' 9" tall, then why would the biggest, baddest Israelite not want to fight him—especially when Goliath was weighed down with all of his heavy armor?

What I gather from the text, it's because they didn't trust God. I think David diagnosed the real issue as a failure to view this Philistine champion covenantally—as an uncircumcised defier of the living God of Israel. The army, including Saul, saw only an imposing physical threat and were terrified. David saw things differently, giving him a courage the Israelite army lacked. "You are coming against me with sword and spear and javelin," David yelled defiantly, "but I am coming against you in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel's armies, whom you have defied! This very day the LORD will deliver you into my hand!"

On the other hand, if Goliath was 9' 9" tall—four feet taller than some of them—I could see where they would back down.

I could see that, too.

But my imagination often runs against the guard rails of reality, where belief is more careful than imagination. (For example, I can imagine all kinds of things about Santa Claus, but at the end of the day I don't believe such a person exists.) And what I believe in this case is informed and shaped by textual exegesis, the manuscript evidence, and the laws of physics.

Do you understand the point yet?

I have understood the point all along.

 

[Arial]

Here lies your problem....you claim the Nephillim mentioned in the bible who are also identified as Giants ...are imaginary.

I didn't claim that at all. I gave the dictionary def of "giant". Copy/paste right out of it. That should have shown you that your definition was a bit messed up.

Once again...Satan uses proxy.

That is not at all how you have worded it previously. But I am not going back through the posts to quote it for you. But---- doesn't Satan have to have authority over something before he can assign a proxy?