Gen 6:1-5 The Historical Views

[CrowCross]

Those who disobey God are NOT His sons. Those who carry out the devil's desires are called sons of the devil (John 8:44). Stop calling fallen angels sons of God. They are not sons of God.

Keep in mind...I didn't. The bible calls them sons of God.

In fact the bible calls Adam a son of God...Adam fell just as the fallen Angels fell.

Once again by your false assumptions...Adam should not be called a son of God.

 

[Arial]

I have presented direct evidence from the bible that angels are called the sons of God. That is indisputable evidence taken from scripture.

You quoted the Bible. Your evidence that fallen angels are sons of God was from Enoch, not the Bible. The dispute is not that angels are called the sons of God. The dispute is that you say fallen angels are called the sons of God.

Yup, and Satan has tried and pretty much tried and succeeded in usurping authority over earth via proxy

Whose proxy, is he? Keep in mind that one of the attributes of God is that he is sovereign over all creation. That makes God the authority over earth. It strikes me that God is almost completely absent from your posts and Christ is completely absent from this as though none of this had anything to do with them.

The ones who are front and center in these posts are fallen angels and Satan and hybrid giants. It reminds me of a passage from 1 Tim 1:3-7 As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, nor to devoted themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, desiring to be teachers of the law without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions

Og was ruling for Satan legally via proxy.

You replied to a post that explicitly stated a comment was not made about Og, by saying something more about Og. Why?

You never explained how it wasn't.

You never explained how it was. The definition I gave for "proxy" should have explained it to you. But there is no point in now going off topic in order to avoid the topic.

That argument fails as the bible is speaking of a very large individual.

I wasn't using it as an argument. I do hope at some point you begin posting about things that matter.

Secondly the name Rephaim in the bible is mentioned as individuals who were gifts, tall in stature. From what I read the ancient Jews certainly considered them to be giants. They are described generally as being between 7 and 10 feet tall and are called “mighty men.”

Not any different from what I said except for the unverified qualification you give of seven to ten feet. But that is irrelevant. What is noteworthy is that it does not ever describe them as fallen angel/human hybrids.

Gen 6 tells us...The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward,

No one is disputing that the Bible says that. I even quoted it at one point.
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[Arial]

the sons of God are a direct creation of God. Those created directly into the family of God. This would include the angels as having no "parents" as well as Adam not having a physical mother and father. That is no procreation involved.

Sons of God applied to heavenly beings.

• Direct creation by God (they are not born through natural process — cf. Luke 20:36: angels “neither marry nor are given in marriage”);
• Likeness to God’s nature in that they are spiritual, immortal beings;
• Subordination and service — they are part of God’s heavenly administration or council, not equals to Him;
• Intimate relationship — they belong to His “household” (cf. Job 1–2, 1 Kings 22:19–23).

God would not have a fallen angel in his heavenly administration or council, as we see them in Job.

A human can now be considered as a "son of God"...through adoption. Through the saving work of Christ Jesus.
John 1:12 tells us....But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God.

Would Noah, Seth, Abraham, Jacob, David etc. be sons of God?

Would Cain be a son of God?

 

[Arial]

Sons of God applies to all angels. fallen or not.

If you are not going to provide biblical proof of that, you need to stop saying it. We heard you the first time.

 

[Josheb]

I simply pointed out Joel QUOTED Enoch. See Enoch 1:9
I also pointed out that it looks like Moses also QUOTED Enoch 6.

Josheb...think out of your indoctrinated

So what? Enoch is not a measure of scripture! The book of Enoch we have today is NOT the Enoch referenced in the pages of scripture, either.

Stop being deceptive.

That's laughable. I just dealt with that false accusation by proving Paul quoted the Greeks (but di not treat them as equal to scripture). You are the one trying to have scripture measured by a pseudepigraphic source. You are the one trying to persuade others of the veracity of that method and practice the same. You are the one ignoring what scripture states, preferring instead to measure scripture by an extra-biblical source. You're the one arguing ad nauseam. You're the one with a huge contradiction right at the foundation of your case because scripture states those who do not follow God are not His sons and you've got disobedient angles being calls sons. You're the one being deceptive.

 

[Josheb]

Keep in mind...I didn't. The bible calls them sons of God.

The Bible does not call fallen angels sons of God. You call fallen angels sons of God. Scripture plainly states it those who obey God that are called His children and scripture is just as explicit in its statements those who disobey God are not His children. They are sons of the devil, not God.

In fact the bible calls Adam a son of God...Adam fell just as the fallen Angels fell.

Luke 3:38 is not a reference to post-disobedient Adam. It is a reference to the lineage of men who followed God. Adam had several sons but only Seth is mentioned. Scripture states it was with Seth that men began to follow God: "To Seth also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then people began to call [p]upon the name of the LORD." Scripture then proceeds to recount that bloodline, the bloodline of God-followers. Thousands of other people were born and lived by the time Genesis 6 occurs. Only one ancestry is listed. That ancestry is the lineage of God-followers. This is one more example of scripture that has to be ignored to make Genesis 6:2 about fallen angels.

Since scripture calls Adam a son of God we can infer that it was either a reference to his creation (the most likely explanation) or a reference to his repenting after he disobeyed God he repented and followed God. Because of the scriptures already posted it is not reasonable or rational to interpret Adam's being called a son of God means unrepentant disobedient people are His sons. Otherwise, the labeling of Adam a son of God contradicts the verses posted in Post 40. Since scripture does not and cannot contradict itself, Adam cannot be deemed to be outside of God's sonship, adopted or otherwise.

Once again by your false assumptions...Adam should not be called a son of God.

Not a single statement I have posted has been disproven. Ever accusation thereof has been poorly reasoned, and scripture misused and abused to make it say things it does not state. Your logic is as faulty as your hermeneutic and your exegesis.

 

[makesends]

Gen 6.....how do you not know that?

Actually, it doesn't. Concurrence is not causation.

 

[makesends]

I can't help but wonder if the same logic that claims spirits interbred with flesh is by way of sensationalism. The tendency or habit of sensationalism would explain the overbalanced focus on last days, and DPism.

 

[John Bauer]

Excellent post. For the record: Is there an example in scripture where the phrase "sons of God" is applied to fallen angels?

As far as I know, there is no place in scripture where the phrase "sons of God" is explicitly applied to fallen angels. The phrase always denotes beings who, in their original or present state, stand in some derivative relation of sonship to God—never in rebellion against him.

 

[Josheb]

As far as I know, there is no place in scripture where the phrase "sons of God" is explicitly applied to fallen angels. The phrase always denotes beings who, in their original or present state, stand in some derivative relation of sonship to God—never in rebellion against him.

Yep

Are you paying attention @CrowCross?

 

[CrowCross]

You quoted the Bible. Your evidence that fallen angels are sons of God was from Enoch, not the Bible. The dispute is not that angels are called the sons of God. The dispute is that you say fallen angels are called the sons of God.

I am saying ALL ANGELS.

Where does the bible say the good angels who fell and became bad angels are now called the Sons of Satan?
Followers of Satan perhaps....

Keep in mind....I showed you in the book of Job where the angels who shouted for joy during creation were called the sons of God.

Now, to open your mind a bit more....who says the angels that procreated with the daughters of men....didn't actually fall until that moment?

Whose proxy, is he? Keep in mind that one of the attributes of God is that he is sovereign over all creation. That makes God the authority over earth. It strikes me that God is almost completely absent from your posts and Christ is completely absent from this as though none of this had anything to do with them.

Yes, God is sovereign over all of His creation....but God also tells us Satan.... Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.........but then again didn't I once read in one of your post that you believe Satan is currently lock up and is out of the picture?

Who controls the Prince of Persia? Who does the Prince of Persia control?

 

[JesusFan]

Gen 6:1-5 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to the, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

The thread is open to defense and rebuttals to the various views, but these need to be supported biblically and carefully.

The Fallen Angel View

• The "sons of God" are fallen angels who took human wives, producing the Nephilim (giant hybrid offspring).

The Sethite (godly line) View

• The "sons of God" are descendants of Seth; the "daughters of men" are descendants of Cain. (Their intermarriage led to moral corruption,)

The Royal or Tyrant Kings View

• The "sons of God" were ancient rulers or judges who took any women they wanted (polygamous or oppressive kings)

The Mythological/Polemical View

• 1-4 may demythologize pagan stories of divine-human unions, rejecting the idea of demigods by presenting them as part of human sin and divine judgment.

Hybrid or Composite Modern Views

• "Sons of God" as angelic powers working through human rulers (spiritual and political corruption).
• Nephilim as a class of violent warriors, not literal hybrids.
• Sees Gen 6 as describing spiritual corruption of human society under demonic influence.

Would ties this into the ones described in Bible in NT as lusting and going after strange flesh, and now being chained unto Judgement, so would be fallen angels

 

[CrowCross]

You quoted the Bible. Your evidence that fallen angels are sons of God was from Enoch, not the Bible. The dispute is not that angels are called the sons of God. The dispute is that you say fallen angels are called the sons of God.

I am saying ALL ANGELS.

Where does the bible say the good angels who fell and became bad angels are now called the Sons of Satan?
Followers of Satan perhaps....

Keep in mind....I showed you in the book of Job where the angels who shouted for joy during creation were called the sons of God.

Now, to open your mind a bit more....who says the angels that procreated with the daughters of men....didn't actually fall until that moment?

Whose proxy, is he? Keep in mind that one of the attributes of God is that he is sovereign over all creation. That makes God the authority over earth. It strikes me that God is almost completely absent from your posts and Christ is completely absent from this as though none of this had anything to do with them.

Yes, God is sovereign over all of His creation....but God also tells us Satan.... Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.........but then again didn't I once read in one of your post that you believe Satan is currently lock up and is out of the picture?

Who controls the Prince of Persia? Who does the Prince of Persia control?

 

[CrowCross]

Sons of God applied to heavenly beings.

• Direct creation by God (they are not born through natural process — cf. Luke 20:36: angels “neither marry nor are given in marriage”);
• Likeness to God’s nature in that they are spiritual, immortal beings;
• Subordination and service — they are part of God’s heavenly administration or council, not equals to Him;
• Intimate relationship — they belong to His “household” (cf. Job 1–2, 1 Kings 22:19–23).

Thanks for the info.

God would not have a fallen angel in his heavenly administration or council, as we see them in Job.

I agree.

Would Noah, Seth, Abraham, Jacob, David etc. be sons of God?

Through adoption.

Would Cain be a son of God?

Cain would be a son of Adam.
Gen 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth

 

[CrowCross]

If you are not going to provide biblical proof of that, you need to stop saying it. We heard you the first time.

I have. You just don't accept the biblical truth. Job 38:7

 

[John Bauer]

If you would like, we can go over each instance of giants in the Bible and you can explain why they were not really giants.

Sure. But start a new thread on it because it's a sufficiently different topic from the one that this thread is exploring.

Numbers 13:32-33
So they gave the Israelites a bad report about the land that they had spied out: “The land we explored devours its inhabitants, and all the people we saw there are great in stature. We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim! We seemed like grasshoppers in our own sight, and we must have seemed the same to them!”
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Tell me where all the translations have also gotten this wrong.

I am not aware of anything they got wrong. The manuscript variants are minimal here.

Okay, back to Goliath: Why would your six-nine "giant" wear a 125.6 pounds bronze coat of mail into battle? Isn't that a bit heavy for a six-foot-nine-inch man?

1. I don't know why Goliath wore that.

2. Yes, it's a bit heavy—but not enough to elicit incredulity. The average medieval knight was five-foot-eight and wore 85 pounds of armor, which is a little over 50% of his body weight—heavy but feasible, and comparable to modern soldiers or firefighters in full gear. At six-foot-nine and weighing 280 pounds, Goliath's bronze scale body armor would have been just under 45% of his body weight—heavy but no less feasible.

Let's not forget about the armor of bronze on his legs. That complicates things immensely for your 6' 9'' warrior.

No, it really doesn't. Adding the helmet and greaves bumps it up to 50% of his body weight.

There's more. We can also add in Goliath's spear. You can check it out in 1 Samuel 17.

A five-foot-eight medieval knight at 170 lbs wearing 85 lbs of full armor and wielding a 5 lb sword is dealing with ~53% of his body weight.

A six-foot-nine Goliath at 280 lbs wearing 140 lbs of full armor (helmet, scale body armor, shin guards) and wielding a 15 lb polearm is dealing with ~55% of his body weight.

This is elite-level combat load, for sure, but notice that the two are comparable. There is no need to reduce the weight of his armor or spear.

My ruling: A 6' 9" Goliath doesn't fit the biblical description.

—a ruling that appears at odds with the biblical description, textually and scientifically.

 

[CrowCross]

So what? Enoch is not a measure of scripture! The book of Enoch we have today is NOT the Enoch referenced in the pages of scripture, either.

I would say...as well as scholars...would say that Enoch 1 is......not so sure about Enoch 3.

That's laughable. I just dealt with that false accusation by proving Paul quoted the Greeks (but di not treat them as equal to scripture). You are the one trying to have scripture measured by a pseudepigraphic source. You are the one trying to persuade others of the veracity of that method and practice the same. You are the one ignoring what scripture states, preferring instead to measure scripture by an extra-biblical source. You're the one arguing ad nauseam. You're the one with a huge contradiction right at the foundation of your case because scripture states those who do not follow God are not His sons and you've got disobedient angles being calls sons. You're the one being deceptive.

What i said is that because Joel as well as Moses quoted from the book of Enoch....even provided biblical reference...they are not to be taken lightly.
The apostles of Christ were influenced by the book of Enoch. In this thread I have provided about 2 dozen examples. If you disagree...so be it.

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Appendix A
Comparisons of Enoch with New Testament Scriptures (KJV)​

Enoch 64:4	And a voice was heard from heaven	Matthew 3:17	And lo, a voice from heaven, saying
Enoch 6:9	The elect shall possess light, joy, and peace, and they shall inherit the earth.	Matthew 5:5	Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
Enoch 50:2, 4, 5	He shall select the righteous and holy from among them; for the day of their salvation has approached. ...and they shall become angels in heaven. Their countenances shall be bright with joy...the earth shall rejoice; and the elect possess it.	Luke 21:28 Matthew 22:30 Matthew 13:43	Your redemption draweth nigh. In the resurrection...they are as the angels of God in heaven. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Enoch 93:7	Those, too, who acquire gold and silver, shall justly and suddenly perish. Woe to you who are rich, for in your riches have you trusted; but from your riches you shall be removed.	James 5:1 Luke 6:24	Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Woe unto you that are rich! For ye have received your consolation.
Enoch 96:6, 7, 25	Woe unto you, sinners, who say, ‘We are rich, possess wealth, and have acquired everything which we can desire. Now then will we do whatsoever we are disposed to do; for we have amassed silver; our barns are full’... They shall surely die suddenly.	Luke 12:19-20	Compare the parable of the rich man whose barns were full, and who said to himself, ‘Soul, thou has much goods laid up for many years, take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.’ But God said unto him, ‘Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee.’
Enoch 105:26	And I will place each of them on a throne of glory, of glory peculiarly his own	Matthew 19:28	Ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Enoch 62:11	In his judgments he pays no respect to persons.	Romans 2:11	For there is no respect of persons with God.
Enoch 38:2	Where will the habitation of sinners be...who have rejected the Lord of spirits. It would have been better for them, had they never been born.	Matthew 26:24	Woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would be good for that man if he had not been born.

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[CrowCross]

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Enoch 19:2	So that they sacrifice to devils as to Gods.	1 Corinthians 10:20	The things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God.
Enoch 22:10, 12	(The angel Raphael addressing Enoch in the region of the dead)Here their souls are separated...by a chasm.	Luke 16:26	(Abraham addressing the rich man from the region of the blessed) Between us and you there is a great gulf fixed.
Enoch 39:3, 4, 7	A cloud then snatched me up...placing me at the extremity of the heavens. There I saw another vision. I saw the habitations and couches of the saints...with the angels...under the wings of the Lord of spirits. All the holy and the elect sung before him, in appearance like a blaze of fire, their mouths being full of blessings, and their lips glorifying the name of the Lord of spirits.	2 Corinthians 12:1-4 Revelation 19:1	I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ...caught up to the third heaven...whether in the bosdy or out of the body I cannot tell; God knoweth. How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia, salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
Enoch 46:2	This is the Son of man...who will reveal all the treasures that which is concealed.	Colossians 2:3	In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
Enoch 9:3,4	Then they said to their Lord, the King: Thou art Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings. The throne of thy glory is for ever and ever, and for ever and ever is thy name sanctified and glorified. Thou are blessed and glorified. Thou has made all things; thou possessest power over all things; and all things are open and manifest before thee. Thou beholdest all things, and nothing can be concealed from thee.	Revelation 17:14; 19:16 Revelation 4:11 Hebrews 4:13	King of kings, and Lord of lords. Thou art worthy O Lord, to receive glory, and honour, and power; for thou has created all things, and for thy pleasure they are, and were created. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight; but all things whcih are naked and opened unot the eyes of him with whom
Enoch 24:10, 11	I blessed the Lord of glory, the everlasting King, because he has prepared this tree for the saints, formed it, and declared that he would give it to them... The sweet odour shall enter into their bones; and they shall live a long life on the earth, as thy forefathers have lived; neither in their days shall sorrow, distress, and punishment afflict them.	Revelation 22:2 Revelation 2:7 Revelation 22:14	On either side of the river was a tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life.
Enoch 85:2	And behold a single star fell from heaven.	Revelation 9:1	I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth.
Enoch 10:15, 16	To Michael also, the Lord said, Go and announce his crime to Samyaza and to the others who are with him who have been associated with women... Bind them for seventy generations underneath the earth, even to the day of judgment, and of consumation , until the judgment, which shall last forever, be completed. Then shall they be taken away into the lowest depths of the fire in torments, and in confinement shall they be shut up forever.	Jude 6:1 2 Peter 2:4 Revelation 20:10	The angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness, unto the judgment of the great day. God spared not the angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. The devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone... and shall be tormented day and night forever.
Enoch 21:56	I beheld columns of fire struggling together to the end of the abyss, and deep was their descent. But neither its measurement nor magnitude was I able to discover... Uriel, one of the holy angels... said, This is the prison of the angels and here they are kept forever.	Revelation 20:1-3	And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit (abyss) and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the devil and... cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut it, and sealed it over him.
Enoch 79 Enoch 61:9	In the days of sinners the years shall be shortened... and everything done on the earth shall be subverted and disappear in its season... In those days the fruits of the earth shall not flourish in their season... heaven shall stand still. The moon shall change its laws, and not be seen at its proper period... and all the classes of the stars shall be shut up against sinners. And trouble shall seize them when they shall behold this Son of woman sitting upon the throne of his glory.	Matthew 24:7, 21-22, 29-30	There shall be famines and earthquakes in divers places... great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved... immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven... then shall the tribes of the earth mourn; as they see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great authority.
Enoch 47:3 Enoch 50 Enoch 54	He sat upon the throne of his glory, while the book of the living was opened in his presence, and while all the powers which were above the heavens stood around and before him. In those days shall the earth deliver up from her womb, and hell deliver up from hers, that which it has received, and destruction shall restore that which it owes He shall select the righteous and holy from among them. In those days shall the mouth of hell be opened into which they shall be immersed; hell shall destroy and swallow up sinners from the face of the elect.	Revelation 20:11-13; 15	I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it... and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before the throne; and the books were opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged out of those things that were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them... And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Enoch 40:1	After this I beheld thousands of thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand, and an infinite number of people, standing before the Lord of spirits.	Revelation 5:11	I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne... and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands.
Enoch 45:3	In that day shall the Elect One sit upon a throne of glory, and shall choose their conditions and countless habitations.	Matthew 25:31-32 John 14:2	Then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory; and before him shall be gather edall nations; and he shall separate them one from another. In my Father’s house are many mansions.
Enoch 44:4	In that day I will cause my Elect One to dwell in the midst of them. I will change the face of the heaven; I will bless it and cause those whom I have chosen to dwell upon it.	Revelation 7:15 2 Peter 3:13	He that sitteth upon the throne shall dwell among them. Nevertheless, we, according to his promise, look for a new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Enoch 92:117	The former heaven shall depart and pass away, a new heaven shall appear.	Revelation 22:1	I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away.
Enoch 61:4-9	The word of his mouth shall destroy all sinners, and all the ungodly who shall perish at his presence... Trouble shall come upon them, as upon a woman in travail. One portion of them shall look upon another; they shall be astonished, and shall abase their countenances; and trouble shall seize them, when they shall behold this Son of woman sitting upon the throne of His glory.	2 Thessalonians 1:9 1 Thessalonians 5:3 2 Thessalonians 2:8 Matthew 25:31	Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. Then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape. That wicked whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of His mouth. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.
Enoch 66:5-8	I beheld that valley in which... arose a strong smell of sulphur which became mixed with the waters; and the valley of the angels, who had been guilty of seduction, burned underneath its soil. Through that valley also rivers of fire were flowing, to which the angels shall be condemned who seduced the inhabitants of the earth.	Matthew 13:42 Mathew 25:41 Revelation 20:10 1 Timothy 4:12	And shall cast them into a furnace of fire. Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone. The Spirit saith expressly, that in the latter times some shall fall away from the faith... through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies.
Enoch 48:1-7	In that place I beheld a fountain of righteousness which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of these all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy.	John 4:14 Revelation 21:6	But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in hima well of water springing up into everlasting life. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Enoch 2 26:2b	Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done and committed against him... [who utter with their mouths unbecoming language against God, and speak harsh things of his glory.]	Jude 14, 15	Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these things, saying, ‘Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’

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[CrowCross]

Actually, it doesn't. Concurrence is not causation.

Actually your "concurrence" doesn't deny causation.

 

[CrowCross]

As far as I know, there is no place in scripture where the phrase "sons of God" is explicitly applied to fallen angels. The phrase always denotes beings who, in their original or present state, stand in some derivative relation of sonship to God—never in rebellion against him.

Job 38 calls the angels...sons of God. NOT ME.

You've simply added "fallen" to their title....then said it disqualifies them as being sons of God. If that's what you need to believe...so be it.