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ENTHUSIASTS on "CLIMATE CHANGE"

Buff Scott Jr.

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Erratic Enthusiasts on
“Climate Change”

[Please see below “The Bride of Christ”]
World leaders have frequently congregated to concoct a solution to so-called “Climate Change” or “Global Warming.” I suggest we not be hoodwinked by these leaders, most of whom are radical environmentalists.

Dry periods and wet periods have occurred throughout the history of humankind. Even now, in 2025, we are experiencing another dosage of it. Our modern times reveal a series of dry and wet stages. One does not need to be a meteorologist to be a student of history. History entails three long drought episodes in the U.S., which occurred in the 1930s, the 1950s, and the early 21st century. The Dust Bowl era of the 1930s remains one of the benchmark droughts and extreme heat events in the U.S. historical record.

The dry period lasted in the United States from 1920 to 1933. There was a major dry period in California from 1946 to 1977. The period between 1978-1998 experienced a wet trend. It is not unnatural for the world’s temperature to fluctuate—as well as dry, wet, and hot seasons every few decades. It has always been so. It is my persistent judgment that climate change enthusiasts are resisting and striving to change an ordinary phenomenon or natural cycle. And for what reason? They say their goal is to clean up the environment. That may be one of their reasons, but I suspect ulterior motives, considering the history of radical environmentalists.

History is history, wherever it is found. Biblical history chronicles a drought period for seven years in Egypt and surrounding nations in 1718 B. C. (Genesis, chapters 41 & 42). Another biblical drought or famine occurred in the Middle East in 891 B. C. and recorded in 2 Kings 8:1.

My point is, whether we examine biblical history or other sources of history, the narratives are the same—namely, throughout the history of humankind there have been wet and dry periods. Consequently, I classify these happenings as natural, terrestrial, or progressive cycles.

Let it be understood that I offer no objections to a clean environment. I promote a clean Earth and atmosphere. I object to the excuses these “enlightened” liberals are using to clean it up. Environmental extremists must contrive reasons for their radical agenda, so they blame pollution as one cause for the world’s temperature change and dry and wet seasons. No doubt pollution has its affect, but dry and wet stages of history, all the way back as far as we can go, is chronicled.

Common sense and history inform us of these cycles, including our current heat and wet wave, and they will continue off and on until time is no more. The hot weather, plus excessive moisture a big part of the world is now experiencing, may last for weeks—or longer. But it will end when the Higher Power above decides to end it, regardless of our efforts to explain it—or to struggle with it.
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The Bride Of Christ
One of my readers inquired, “Where is the bride of Christ today?” Good question. It is interesting that one of the seven angels in Revelation said to John, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb” (Rev. 21:9). Jesus’ bride is not a sect or faction or denomination. Jesus’ bride is composed of those who have accepted Him as Lord and King and are striving, as best they can, to respond to His grace, wherever they are found. This is the bride of Christ!

“Then where is she? She is scattered throughout most sects and churches and denominations. She’s in exile, just as old Israel was. Because old Israel was incessantly rebellious, most of her days were spent in exile. And so it is with New Israel, the redeemed community. She’s in exile, but God is functioning through prophets/reformers to extricate her, as He did Old Israel on numerous occasions.​
 
Erratic Enthusiasts on
“Climate Change”

[Please see below “The Bride of Christ”]
World leaders have frequently congregated to concoct a solution to so-called “Climate Change” or “Global Warming.” I suggest we not be hoodwinked by these leaders, most of whom are radical environmentalists...............​
So....:unsure: climate change is not a real thing, and not something about which dread should occur? (josh asks rhetorically)



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Jesus’ bride is composed of those who have accepted Him as Lord and King and are striving, as best they can, to respond to His grace, wherever they are found. This is the bride of Christ!​
Do you mean, "...those who have accepted Him as Lord and King [and Savior] and are striving...."???

Everyone will one day profess Jesus as Lord and King. That does not make them his bride. Not everyone will profess Jesus as Lord, King, and Savior. It's that part about his being Savior that constitutes brideship (see the parable of the wedding feast).
 
Common sense and history inform us of these cycles, including our current heat and wet wave, and they will continue off and on until time is no more. The hot weather, plus excessive moisture a big part of the world is now experiencing, may last for weeks—or longer. But it will end when the Higher Power above decides to end it, regardless of our efforts to explain it—or to struggle with it.
Much of our current climate is a product of geoengineering....that is man manipulating the weather.
 
Much of our current climate is a product of geoengineering....that is man manipulating the weather.
Well, man was not manipulating the weather in 1920-1935. Man's "products" do affect the weather to a small degree, but the God above is the Creator of Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter and their results.​
 
Well, man was not manipulating the weather in 1920-1935. Man's "products" do affect the weather to a small degree, but the God above is the Creator of Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter and their results.​
I believe it started with operation popeye during the Vietnam war.

Keep in mind this isn't due to coal plants or cows.
 
Why then do Dispensational Premillennialists and other modern futurists make a ruckus about the environment being evidence the rapture is soon coming? :unsure::unsure::unsure:
I've never heard that as a claim for a soon to be rapture. Do you have a reference?
 
The "heat" mentioned in the references point to the time of jacobs trouble also know as the tribulation.

I didn't look at all the links but they didn't seem to indicate a link between the pre-trib rapture and the "heat".

Also the "heat"mentioned in the book of Revelation seems to be "supernatural" events rather than a man made problem.
 
The "heat" mentioned in the references point to the time of jacobs trouble also know as the tribulation.

I didn't look at all the links but they didn't seem to indicate a link between the pre-trib rapture and the "heat".

Also the "heat" mentioned in the book of Revelation seems to be "supernatural" events rather than a man made problem.
Nice dodge.

The salient point is that many modern futurists/Dispensationalists claim climate change is a sign foreboding the soon coming rapture and/or the return of Christ and even though you claimed you were unaware of such a thing you, yourself, are culpable of the very thing for which you claim you've never heard. You are constantly arguing for the soon-occurring and separately-occurring rapture and, on occasion, you couch your views on climate change in that context. What's most alarming about Post 11, is the claim such a thing has never been heard. Were I to do a more detailed investigation I suspect I might even be able to find your buddy Thomas Ice making a connection between changes in the "climate" and his belief the rapture and second coming are to soon happen.

Technically, (are you paying attention @Buff Scott Jr.?), the label "climate change" is a misnomer, and always has been. There are five major climates: Tropical, Dry, Temperate, Continental, and Polar. Climates do not change. The geographic polar regions of this planet are not going to turn into tropical or dry climates anytime soon, not even any time in the next millennium. It's just stupid. It is propaganda. It is the secular version of apocalypticism. It has no place among the godly.
 
Very true, brother.
Very much appreciate that. However. will you then please clarify something for me because I thought you were a modern futurist or Dispensational Premillennialist. Am I mistaken, perhaps confusing you with someone else?


If you are a subscriber to modern futurism, then how do you reconcile the falsity of climate change with the fact climate change is often used as proof of modern futurism? Are your peers misguided to make such an argument?
 
Nice dodge.

The salient point is that many modern futurists/Dispensationalists claim climate change is a sign foreboding the soon coming rapture and/or the return of Christ and even though you claimed you were unaware of such a thing you, yourself, are culpable of the very thing for which you claim you've never heard. You are constantly arguing for the soon-occurring and separately-occurring rapture and, on occasion, you couch your views on climate change in that context. What's most alarming about Post 11, is the claim such a thing has never been heard. Were I to do a more detailed investigation I suspect I might even be able to find your buddy Thomas Ice making a connection between changes in the "climate" and his belief the rapture and second coming are to soon happen.

Technically, (are you paying attention @Buff Scott Jr.?), the label "climate change" is a misnomer, and always has been. There are five major climates: Tropical, Dry, Temperate, Continental, and Polar. Climates do not change. The geographic polar regions of this planet are not going to turn into tropical or dry climates anytime soon, not even any time in the next millennium. It's just stupid. It is propaganda. It is the secular version of apocalypticism. It has no place among the godly.
Better dodge....you didn't address the what I was saying.

Man made climate change isn't a prerequisite for the rapture. It is my belief the 'climate change" spoken about in the book of Rev is supernatural or even perhaps completely natural.

Events such as the following in which I saw today may be a depiction, a glimpse of Revelation.

As far as what other christians say about man made climate change and rapture predictions....I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find someone. My point is your list of links (the ones I looked at) didn't say that.
 
Better dodge....you didn't address the what I was saying.
Because it is not relevant to my inquiry.
Man made climate change isn't a prerequisite for the rapture.
I completely agree but that fact conflicts with some of your earlier posts in other threads.
It is my belief the 'climate change" spoken about in the book of Rev is supernatural or even perhaps completely natural.
Climate change is not spoken of in Revelation. Changes in weather may be mentioned but changes in weather are not climate change.
Events such as the following in which I saw today may be a depiction, a glimpse of Revelation.
Nope.
As far as what other christians say about man made climate change and rapture predictions....I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find someone. My point is your list of links (the ones I looked at) didn't say that.
That is immaterial to the fact people do make that claim and you said you'd never heard of such a thing even though you yourself have argued thusly.



Climate change is a hoax. Secularly, it is nothing more than secular apocalypticism. The religious version is no different.
 
My brother (and I do sincerely hold you as a brother in Christ), some of this has to be reconciled,
It is my belief the 'climate change" spoken about in the book of Rev is supernatural or even perhaps completely natural.
Climate change is not spoken of in Revelation.
Because as the posts are written, they contradict each other. If you believe there is "climate change" spoken of in Revelation, then you cannot later agree with me climate change is not spoken of in Revelation. That particular contradiction has nothing to do with whether the changes in weather are due to man or God. There is no climate change in Revelation. Maybe Post 16 is poorly worded. If so, then clarify that specific point of contradiction. If there is genuine agreement climate change is NOT spoken of in Revelation, then make sure Post 16's statement is clarified so you don't look delusional.

If @Buff Scott Jr. is also a modern futurist then he needs to make sure he is consistent with 1) his own posts and 2) the facts of scripture and 3) objective reality. Not because I say so but because scripture expects us to handle God's word and the gifts of reason responsibly. Think about how either of you would respond if I posted two blatantly contradictory claims. Would you ask for clarification and reconciliation, or would I be reading ad hominem about me?

The question is not whether or not climate change is man-made or God-made because both could be evidence of prophecy pending fulfillment if God had said the climates (plural) would change. The fundamental problem is God never said climates would change. He's not going to do so, either. If the tropical and polar regions suddenly changed placed that would be enormously destructive to the planet. Ten or twenty years would be sudden. One year would be suddenly catastrophic.

Neither God nor the Bible is irrational.

Men, and their interpretations, on the other hand, are often irrational.

Now, the three of us all seem to agree climate change is not a real thing and it's not, therefore, spoken of in Revelation.
Very true, brother.
So I am going to put one of those proverbial pins in this portion of the conversation for the time being and ask the two of you to address another relevant concern.
One of my readers inquired, “Where is the bride of Christ today?” Good question. It is interesting that one of the seven angels in Revelation said to John, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb” (Rev. 21:9). Jesus’ bride is not a sect or faction or denomination. Jesus’ bride is composed of those who have accepted Him as Lord and King [and Savior] and are striving, as best they can, to respond to His grace, wherever they are found. This is the bride of Christ!​
Because modern futurism holds to, or subscribes to, or asserts, and teaches a completely different ecclesiology than the rest of Christendom. The mention of the Church is a curious way to end the op. Everything written in the op could have been posted without the last two paragraphs. The place of the Church is irrelevant to the hoax of climate change. The op says the Church, the bride of Christ, is in exile!

Are you in exile, @Buff Scott Jr.? How about you, @CrowCross? I am not in exile and nothing in scripture states the Church of the 21st century is in exile. So that has to be clarified before we can discuss this op's position on climate change rationally.

A few of the websites to which I linked everyone contain portions about the Christian's obligation to be good stewards of the planet, to be environmentalist as a function of the divinely mandated stewardship. I completely agree and have spent a fair portion of my life being a good steward of the small portion of the planet with which I have been provided ;). So don't think I am suggesting we abandon the problem of climate change or lack thereof due to its being a apocalyptic lie.

How do modern futurists NOT use climate change propaganda eschatologically and do either of you, assuming you are both futurists (and I concede I may be wrong about you, Buff) handle your fellow futurists when they mistakenly buy into that propaganda*?










* There is secular propaganda, and there is religious propaganda. I do not know if either of you are familiar with the so-called "Valdez prophecy, but it's making the rounds among futurists in other forums. I hesitate to even mention the "prophecy" because it is a pile of dross, but I recently suggested to a modern futurist that the prophecy might be an example of the false teachers Jesus said would increase in the latter days. The idea being that if a person is a futurist and they are still looking for the evidence of pending fulfillment then one of the things to look for is false teachers...... in the ranks of modern futurism!!! How then does a futurist discern what is valid and correct teaching within futurism, and what is not. There is no mention of climate change in Revelation. That kind of stuff has to be sorted out BOTH internally and externally. In-house religious propaganda is no more godly than external secular propaganda.

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My brother (and I do sincerely hold you as a brother in Christ), some of this has to be reconciled,

Because as the posts are written, they contradict each other. If you believe there is "climate change" spoken of in Revelation, then you cannot later agree with me climate change is not spoken of in Revelation. That particular contradiction has nothing to do with whether the changes in weather are due to man or God. There is no climate change in Revelation. Maybe Post 16 is poorly worded. If so, then clarify that specific point of contradiction. If there is genuine agreement climate change is NOT spoken of in Revelation, then make sure Post 16's statement is clarified so you don't look delusional.
I beg to differ...as I said the climate change will not be caused by man made industry or cows farting...Rev tells us

Rev 16 8Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was given power to scorch the people with fire. 9And the people were scorched by intense heat, and they cursed the name of God, who had authority over these plagues. Yet they did not repent and give Him glory.

The above is a supernatural climate change.
If @Buff Scott Jr. is also a modern futurist then he needs to make sure he is consistent with 1) his own posts and 2) the facts of scripture and 3) objective reality. Not because I say so but because scripture expects us to handle God's word and the gifts of reason responsibly. Think about how either of you would respond if I posted two blatantly contradictory claims. Would you ask for clarification and reconciliation, or would I be reading ad hominem about me?

The question is not whether or not climate change is man-made or God-made because both could be evidence of prophecy pending fulfillment if God had said the climates (plural) would change. The fundamental problem is God never said climates would change. He's not going to do so, either. If the tropical and polar regions suddenly changed placed that would be enormously destructive to the planet. Ten or twenty years would be sudden. One year would be suddenly catastrophic.

Neither God nor the Bible is irrational.

Men, and their interpretations, on the other hand, are often irrational.

Now, the three of us all seem to agree climate change is not a real thing and it's not, therefore, spoken of in Revelation.


So I am going to put one of those proverbial pins in this portion of the conversation for the time being and ask the two of you to address another relevant concern.

Because modern futurism holds to, or subscribes to, or asserts, and teaches a completely different ecclesiology than the rest of Christendom. The mention of the Church is a curious way to end the op. Everything written in the op could have been posted without the last two paragraphs. The place of the Church is irrelevant to the hoax of climate change. The op says the Church, the bride of Christ, is in exile!

Are you in exile, @Buff Scott Jr.? How about you, @CrowCross? I am not in exile and nothing in scripture states the Church of the 21st century is in exile. So that has to be clarified before we can discuss this op's position on climate change rationally.

A few of the websites to which I linked everyone contain portions about the Christian's obligation to be good stewards of the planet, to be environmentalist as a function of the divinely mandated stewardship. I completely agree and have spent a fair portion of my life being a good steward of the small portion of the planet with which I have been provided ;). So don't think I am suggesting we abandon the problem of climate change or lack thereof due to its being a apocalyptic lie.

How do modern futurists NOT use climate change propaganda eschatologically and do either of you, assuming you are both futurists (and I concede I may be wrong about you, Buff) handle your fellow futurists when they mistakenly buy into that propaganda*?










* There is secular propaganda, and there is religious propaganda. I do not know if either of you are familiar with the so-called "Valdez prophecy, but it's making the rounds among futurists in other forums. I hesitate to even mention the "prophecy" because it is a pile of dross, but I recently suggested to a modern futurist that the prophecy might be an example of the false teachers Jesus said would increase in the latter days. The idea being that if a person is a futurist and they are still looking for the evidence of pending fulfillment then one of the things to look for is false teachers...... in the ranks of modern futurism!!! How then does a futurist discern what is valid and correct teaching within futurism, and what is not. There is no mention of climate change in Revelation. That kind of stuff has to be sorted out BOTH internally and externally. In-house religious propaganda is no more godly than external secular propaganda.

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