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Emotions vs God’s Word.

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The Calvinist has the better argument Scripturally speaking. The Arminian has the better argument emotionally speaking.


God'Word vs man's emotions, guess which I'll go with?
 
One is Christ-centered, the other is man-centered.

Christ versus man. Guess which one I'll go with?
 
The Calvinist has the better argument Scripturally speaking. The Arminian has the better argument emotionally speaking.


God'Word vs man's emotions, guess which I'll go with?
One is Christ-centered, the other is man-centered.

Christ versus man. Guess which one I'll go with?


This applies many ways, in both causes and results of our thinking, mindsets and [human] means.

1. I was just thinking this morning how we separate the physical from the metaphysical. In years past, and probably still more than I want it to be, considered such things as yielding to God, or worse, invoking some spiritual effect, to be the result of my choice and force of will. I remember many years ago at some conference, the audience being told to one-at-a-time to kneel down (everyone was standing—there were no seats provided) and to just 'wash one another's feet' symbolically. I was in a bad way at the time, trying to 'let God talk to me' and trying to understand what was going on in my life, so different from the things I had been told by Christendom, y'know, like, "God has a wonderful plan for your marriage". I went down and put myself into a mental "physical-irrelevant" state, almost like an out-of-body experience, or turning my eyes toward the back of my skull, as though to impart (and receive) some spiritual blessing. Looking back now, I see I was an utter fool, and even hogged the time the others of my group were supposed to do the same!

The Arminianistic—including many more than just Arminians—view of the ability of man, should make one second-guess their POV for the poor results they get, or even for the lack of them. And the empiricism of which they boast —"We DO make choices, y,know...", and, "How else are we to be motivated to obey?"— should show them the inability of the flesh, and the relationship of the flesh to the spiritual.

This is not an emotional vs scriptural matter. It is a scriptural matter, and emotions are involved.

2. @Ben Avraham posted today:
Today, we have the Word of God. YHVH speaks to us through his written Word, but also through dreams, at times, through other people who are very sensitive to the Holy Spirit. Sometimes, YHVH conveys messages through events in our lives. If we look back in our lives, we can see that YHVH has been right there working and preparing events/people to bring us to where we are now.
I'm not going to say he's wrong, but that God uses people's mindsets most amazingly—even humbly, I'd say—as though we each have it right. And in this, he gets the job done tenderly, elegantly and intelligently. If one goes superstitiously, or goes emotionally, or goes 'by the book', or goes 'Scripturally' (or so one thinks himself to be doing), or goes any of many other ways, God uses them in spite of themselves, but always for God's own purposes. I'm not @Buff Scott Jr. , but I have despaired of ever finding a group that "does things right". No matter where I go, my emotions get the better of me, in consternation at what foolishness is being taught, at whole congregations that are missing the point, at whole denominations overcome by the flesh, or by somebody saying what turns my heart into pain. (BTW, I did find a group where I feel at home, among 'family', so to speak. (And God uses me there in spite of people's eyes glazing over when I'm trying to get something across to them.) :rolleyes:)

This is not a scriptural vs metaphysical matter. It's scriptural, and our minds play games with us.

3. We are emotional beings, and God has given us the anchor (God's word) upon which our intelligence must depend, and toward whom (The Word of God) we must direct what passions drive us, depending on his mercy for our foolishness.
 
This is not an emotional vs scriptural matter. It is a scriptural matter, and emotions are involved.
I only stated such in the title of this thread because I had watched several Arminian rant videos against Calvinism and found their arguments based on emotions and human sentiment rather than God's Word.
 
I only stated such in the title of this thread because I had watched several Arminian rant videos against Calvinism and found their arguments based on emotions and human sentiment rather than God's Word.
I didn't mean it as a reprimand or correction. It was an essay against the mindset of Arminianists. The more I think about it, the more their thinking resembles that of the lost. And it is where my mind keeps trying to go.
 
The Calvinist has the better argument Scripturally speaking.
I agree.
The Arminian has the better argument emotionally speaking.
That is a red herring.

It may be true, but it's a red herring. Were I, for example, to entertain the premise of an "emotionally" valid argument with an Arminian my first question might be, "Why are emotions relevant to how a person is saved from sin?" and "To which verse might I look to find scripture teaching that premise?" Is the Arminian asserting something akin to, "I felt salvific so I chose God?" If so, then that is going to run into a host of conflicts with what Arminius taught. It might, could be, sorta maybe be reconciled with the Pelagian Provisionist model but it's not Arminian. Regardless of with which model it best reconciles, as others have observed, it's sinner-centric not God-centric.
God'Word vs man's emotions, guess which I'll go with?
God's word? Me, too.

We have been saved by grace through faith for works. No sinner will ever be saved by choice acted upon as a work of fleshly words no matter what the sinner feels if it is not the conviction of the Holy Spirit driven by the salvific power of the Spirit for the specific purpose of forcefully bringing the sinner from death to life.
 
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