Does God mind if idols of 'saints' are worshipped in church?

[Hobie]

Or any place for that matter, does the Bible say anything on this issue or is it silent, lets check scripture and see what it has...

Leviticus 19:4
Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

2 Kings 17:12
For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, Ye shall not do this thing.

2 Chronicles 24:18
And they left the house of the LORD God of their fathers, and served groves and idols: and wrath came upon Judah and Jerusalem for this their trespass.

Deuteronomy 29:17
And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them

Psalm 135:15
The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

Isaiah 2:8
Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:

Habakkuk 2:18
What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1 John 5:21
Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Revelation 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

That seems pretty clear, so how can the Catholic Church bring idols before its people, how can they claim to follow God when they worship idols which He forbid, how can they justify it when the Bible is so clear........

 

[Josheb]

Does God mind if idols of 'saints' are worshipped in church?​

Yes

 

[Hobie]

So.how can the church of Rome justify it on any level...?

 

[Hobie]

Yes

Here is something they read in church today...

Idolaters Condemned​

1 Some of the elders of Israel came to me and sat down in front of me. 2 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 3 “Son of man, these men have set up idols in their hearts and put wicked stumbling blocks before their faces. Should I let them inquire of me at all? 4 Therefore speak to them and tell them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When any of the Israelites set up idols in their hearts and put a wicked stumbling block before their faces and then go to a prophet, I the Lord will answer them myself in keeping with their great idolatry. 5 I will do this to recapture the hearts of the people of Israel, who have all deserted me for their idols.’
6 “Therefore say to the people of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Repent! Turn from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!

 

[Josheb]

Here is something they read in church today...

Idolaters Condemned​

1 Some of the elders of Israel came to me and sat down in front of me. 2 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 3 “Son of man, these men have set up idols in their hearts and put wicked stumbling blocks before their faces. Should I let them inquire of me at all? 4 Therefore speak to them and tell them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When any of the Israelites set up idols in their hearts and put a wicked stumbling block before their faces and then go to a prophet, I the Lord will answer them myself in keeping with their great idolatry. 5 I will do this to recapture the hearts of the people of Israel, who have all deserted me for their idols.’
6 “Therefore say to the people of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Repent! Turn from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!

And..... ?

The question asked has been answered. Yes, God minds if idols and saints are worshiped in church. Is there more?

 

[Hobie]

And..... ?

The question asked has been answered. Yes, God minds if idols and saints are worshiped in church. Is there more?

Yes, as most churches follow many of the 'traditions' given by it, and it goes against God also, so need to see and discern..

 

[Josheb]

Yes, as most churches follow many of the 'traditions' given by it, and it goes against God also, so need to see and discern..

How much do you follow the traditions given to you?

 

[Mr GLee]

So.how can the church of Rome justify it on any level...?

They cannot justify. Necromancy, seeking the dead patron saints for the living is the foundation of thier faith .

 

[donadams]

Any historical evidence that this has ever happened in the Christian communion of God’s saints?

 

[Arch Stanton]

Here is something they read in church today...

Idolaters Condemned​

1 Some of the elders of Israel came to me and sat down in front of me. 2 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 3 “Son of man, these men have set up idols in their hearts and put wicked stumbling blocks before their faces. Should I let them inquire of me at all? 4 Therefore speak to them and tell them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When any of the Israelites set up idols in their hearts and put a wicked stumbling block before their faces and then go to a prophet, I the Lord will answer them myself in keeping with their great idolatry. 5 I will do this to recapture the hearts of the people of Israel, who have all deserted me for their idols.’
6 “Therefore say to the people of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Repent! Turn from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church --

Idolatry

2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them."42 God, however, is the "living God"43 who gives life and intervenes in history.

2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon."44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast"45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.46

2114 Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. The commandment to worship the Lord alone integrates man and saves him from an endless disintegration. Idolatry is a perversion of man's innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who "transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God."47

 

[Mr GLee]

Any historical evidence that this has ever happened in the Christian communion of God’s saints?

Yes it is still activating new by the Pope. 3500 rising patron saints all need a idol image or medalion to put a face on the legion when it comes up.

It is reported. When it comes to tapping into spiritual strength, protection and deepening our connection with faith, the Saint Benedict Medal is one of the most powerful Catholic medals.

Is that true? Are they not dead and never have any part of anything under the Sun .According to Hebrew 11 all receive their new body at the same twinkling of the eye. Why comune with the dead .Does our faith come from hearing them ?

 

[donadams]

Yes it is still activating new by the Pope. 3500 rising patron saints all need a idol image or medalion to put a face on the legion when it comes up.

It is reported. When it comes to tapping into spiritual strength, protection and deepening our connection with faith, the Saint Benedict Medal is one of the most powerful Catholic medals.

Is that true? Are they not dead and never have any part of anything under the Sun .According to Hebrew 11 all receive their new body at the same twinkling of the eye. Why comune with the dead .Does our faith come from hearing them ?

God of the living!

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

 

[Hobie]

How much do you follow the traditions given to you?

If it goes against God's Word what do you think should be done..?

 

[Josheb]

If it goes against God's Word what do you think should be done..?

That is not an answer to my question. Are we going to play a game of non sequitur, or will my question be answered?

 

[donadams]

Matt 27:3-10 statuary?

Zechariah 11:13
And the Lord said to me: Cast it to the statuary, a handsome price, that I was prized at by them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and I cast them into the house of the Lord to the statuary.

KJV call it pottery

What statues? Graven images?

Images are not forbidden, such as the cherubim on the ark of the covenant ex 25:18 and the bronze serpent num 21:9 and Jn 3:14 are not forbidden but even commanded, graven or worshiped as a god then these images are forbidden such as the golden calf!

Bowing down or posture does not equal worship or adoration!

Worship requires intent!
You must have the intent to worship God properly!

Worship requires intent, offering of sacrifice, a ordained priesthood, adoration, reparation, thanksgiving, and petition!

 

[Hobie]

That is not an answer to my question. Are we going to play a game of non sequitur, or will my question be answered?

Tradition is not Gods Word, and thus it has to be set aside if not given in scripture, thus 'Sola Scriptura' is what we must stive for. Its not an easy thing as it can spread just by works being repeated so often it comes in and no one notices, it must be rooted out and truth restored.

 

[Josheb]

How much do you follow the traditions given to you?

If it goes against God's Word what do you think should be done..?

That is not an answer to my question. Are we going to play a game of non sequitur, or will my question be answered?

Tradition is not Gods Word, and thus it has to be set aside if not given in scripture, thus 'Sola Scriptura' is what we must stive for. Its not an easy thing as it can spread just by works being repeated so often it comes in and no one notices, it must be rooted out and truth restored.

My question still hasn't been answered.


How much do you follow the traditions given to you (like sola scriptura)?

 

[Ghada]

Or any place for that matter, does the Bible say anything on this issue or is it silent, lets check scripture and see what it has...

Leviticus 19:4
Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

2 Kings 17:12
For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, Ye shall not do this thing.

2 Chronicles 24:18
And they left the house of the LORD God of their fathers, and served groves and idols: and wrath came upon Judah and Jerusalem for this their trespass.

Deuteronomy 29:17
And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them

Psalm 135:15
The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

Isaiah 2:8
Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:

Habakkuk 2:18
What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1 John 5:21
Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Revelation 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Good Scripture, and well applied.

If the Lord God doesn't mind worshipping birds, beasts, and creeping things, then why not men, especially saints?

Rom 1:23
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Oh wait, He does mind it...

That seems pretty clear, so how can the Catholic Church bring idols before its people,

Because any church that does, is a church of idolatry?

how can they claim to follow God when they worship idols which He forbid

Many follow their God and Christ, but it's just a matter of which one they are following.

1Jo 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

2 Cor 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Gal 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Jas 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
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Some even claim to follow the true Christ, while working against Him.

Matthew
{6:46} And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

2Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Psa 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

, how can they justify it when the Bible is so clear........

Many justify their sinning, and some even use the Bible to do it. Or at least change it to do so:

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2 Tim
{2:15} Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. {2:16} But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

All of these are rebukes of idolatry, because the greatest idol of man from the beginning, is worship and justification by one's own faith alone, apart from doing the righteous and good will of God:

Gen
{3:5} For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.