Do you have a spiritual gift?

[Agra Man]

So, everything matches up with the word then?Well if you know how to listen to his voice yes. Take one of those old time radios for instance it is a man made object seemingly having nothing to do with God right? But consider how we tune into the voice of the spirit and imagine how you have to tune into the right chinnal using the little nob on the radio.

You get static until you dial it gentle just right until you get to the right channel you can even get close it to it but there may still be a bit of static.

This is also how it is with tuning into his frequency and you have to really learn how to do it often times it requires the unweilding intent to really make sure you know his voice. Often times it requires you to speak to him personally literally sitting there waiting for him to answer.


How he answers and when depends but in being still and just getting into his presence being at peace however you have to connect with him like that.

Once your in that still quiet place with him this is when you start listenning and this is when youlearn how to tune into the right frequency there may be static but being still and knowing him you gently start tuning to the right channe;.

This may not be scripture but it is of scripture it links back to God in some way somehow as all creation does as he is the creator himself all of existance glorifies him so yes all things will always come back to the original source.

 

[civic]

You get static until you dial it gentle just right until you get to the right channel you can even get close it to it but there may still be a bit of static.

This is also how it is with tuning into his frequency and you have to really learn how to do it often times it requires the unweilding intent to really make sure you know his voice. Often times it requires you to speak to him personally literally sitting there waiting for him to answer.


How he answers and when depends but in being still and just getting into his presence being at peace however you have to connect with him like that.

Once your in that still quiet place with him this is when you start listenning and this is when youlearn how to tune into the right frequency there may be static but being still and knowing him you gently start tuning to the right channe;.

This may not be scripture but it is of scripture it links back to God in some way somehow as all creation does as he is the creator himself all of existance glorifies him so yes all things will always come back to the original source.

I like the frequency analogy and being “ tuned “ into God.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

The gifts come from God as their source. We use those God given gifts He has granted us in the body of Christ.

The sign gifts aren't the same as the gifts in general. They were given to the apostles to perform supernatural feats. So, nobody is claiming they ultimately don't come from God. The issue is about whether such gifts as were given to the apostles were wielded by them in their own individual power. That's the point.

 

[civic]

The sign gifts aren't the same as the gifts in general. They were given to the apostles to perform supernatural feats. So, nobody is claiming they ultimately don't come from God. The issue is about whether such gifts as were given to the apostles were wielded by them in their own individual power. That's the point.

They were able to perform those supernatural gifts the same way Moses, Elijah, Jesus performed their miracles.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

They were able to perform those supernatural gifts the same way Moses, Elijah, Jesus performed their miracles.

hope this helps !!!

Yes. But, as you know, many that have a Pentecostal or Charismatic bent claim there is modern day prophecy (even though they get their predictions wrong) and speaking in tongues (even though most of church history after the 3rd century notes the absence of this gift) and the gift of healing. Why call them gifts if they simply just come from God anyway?

 

[Agra Man]

I like the frequency analogy and being “ tuned “ into God.

Well I can't take credit that is just something he taught me. I study directly under him yes I love the scriptures but I love the living scriptures better. There comes a point as I understand it where we study the word we get equipped well versed and we have the knowledge of scriptures.

But there seems to come a point where it is like he says to us ok you have the written word in your heart do you want to know the real thing? Jesus himself is the true answer the ultimate upgrade the true revelation trust me the wonders of God defy reality if you want to know the real truth the deeper dephts of him be prepared to seem like I do because he isn't messing around.

 

[Agra Man]

But there's NOTHING TO LEARN. When it "shows up" in your mind, then just speak it. "Tongues" (Word of knowledge, Word of Wisdom, Prophesy, Interpretation of tongues) CAN'T BE LEARNED. Just Ask Him for the gift, and wait for Him to send it. I was prayed for to receive at an FBGMFI meeting, and about a month later, suddenly there it was.

If "Spiritual utterance" is "learned", it's PHONY. Simple as that!!!!

There are lots of spiritual Phonies running around speaking garbage these days.

I apologize for the late reply I have been very busy mainly spending time with God. I was wondering what you think about this. See lately he has been saying the word Rhema which I was told means the spoken word of God but I am no expert in the hebrew langauge.

And on easter this year I live in my apartment 24/7 I am unable to really go anywhere or do a lot for myself to begin with so the days blend in.

I had no idea it was easter but I woke up that day saying to him you know I think I am going to make today just about you. I sat in my chair played my music and sptent that entire time just ebign with him. Ironically I didn't really have anything I could eat easily my stomach issues make eating hard but I figured you know for some reason I want to try fasting and see if I can connect to you more.


I spent about four hours fasting this is in a body that lacks nutrition mind you but it did do something he and I were just well I honestly don't know how to decribe it but that entire day I never wanted to end.

I didn't go all out though he said that most try that but fasting is about the connection not how much you dfo it so I only did it until it started to become to much discomfort and just went and forced myself to eat and drink.

But in that time he said the word Manna or something like that which I have seen in scripture how he used it but this manna or however you spell it seemed more like the word of God to me.
As I was fasting with him I didn't want normal food anymore once he said Manna my body itself craved his bread and water so badly.


bread sight water words fire wind the goly spirit me being a writter at heart I notice these things that have always been kind of common themes in my life always somehow related to me in some way. The dots are starting to connect I think there is something he is hinting at for me to do

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Weeell.. you can tell that to civic, sovereign Grace, marksends and preacher4truth.

I probably already have many times over the years I've been here. Their opinion doesn't effect mine. We "Full Gospel types" are totally used to "Cessationist paradigms". WE already know 'em all, and they don't bother us at all.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I apologize for the late reply I have been very busy mainly spending time with God. I was wondering what you think about this. See lately he has been saying the word Rhema which I was told means the spoken word of God but I am no expert in the hebrew langauge.

Rhema is actually Greek, (Strong's G4487) but no matter.

The whole though about that is that the BIBLE in and of itself is "Logos" - the static, recorded, non-personal, but completely true Word of God. Good to read intellectually, and a strong familiarity of which can protect you from Heretical error.

HOWEVER, now and again, the Holy Spirit Brings the "Logos" alive PERSONALLY TO YOU, then "Rhema" has occurred - i.e. the Word of God specifically TO YOU personally.

Related:
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

The "Hearing of FAITH is related to Rom 10:17 which tells us where Faith COMES FROM - i.e. the WORD OF GOD TO YOU. I.e. - The Holy Spirit "energizing" the written word to you is one form of "Hearing".

 

[360watt]

I probably already have many times over the years I've been here. Their opinion doesn't effect mine. We "Full Gospel types" are totally used to "Cessationist paradigms". WE already know 'em all, and they don't bother us at all.

I know full gospel types. Well at least you do try and stick to Paul's guidelines, (which are God's) to using the sign gifts?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I know full gospel types. Well at least you do try and stick to Paul's guidelines, (which are God's) to using the sign gifts?

"Sign gifts" is just another human-created "theological label" meaning nothing. It just makes it "Easier" to ignore 'em.

 

[Agra Man]

Rhema is actually Greek, (Strong's G4487) but no matter.

The whole though about that is that the BIBLE in and of itself is "Logos" - the static, recorded, non-personal, but completely true Word of God. Good to read intellectually, and a strong familiarity of which can protect you from Heretical error.

HOWEVER, now and again, the Holy Spirit Brings the "Logos" alive PERSONALLY TO YOU, then "Rhema" has occurred - i.e. the Word of God specifically TO YOU personally.

Related:
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

The "Hearing of FAITH is related to Rom 10:17 which tells us where Faith COMES FROM - i.e. the WORD OF GOD TO YOU. I.e. - The Holy Spirit "energizing" the written word to you is one form of "Hearing".

Wow, thank you for clarifying that word for me by the a friend told me that is what it meant but honestly I prefer the opinion of others first.
And then on to that word Logos that word I have heard before what is that exactly that sounds more personal to God's person

And so it actually means the word of God speaking personally to me? That would make sense as this was during a time where he was training me to look at the word of God with different eyes it went against the normal way of it and it actually caused a big stirr on another forum but the thing is I actually got results.

He said to me how we read the word of God but we don't listen to it. This at first may seem like he was saying we aren't listening to what it is saying but it was more than that. We call it the word of God but why? Merely because it was the spoken word of God to us right? What did he do with one word alone? He created existance.

That is powerful if you really think about it but now think about this a word comes from the mouth it is spoken therefore you hear a word you don't read it you hear it. He wasn't talking about audio God is spirit therefore his word is spirit if you need spiritual eyes to read the bible doesn't it make more sense that if we are studying under his word we listen as a student?

How do we as his students listen to that which is spirit? We listen with the spirit he has given us. I would say to evceryone on that forum all the time the spirit speaks to the spirit, I would say all the time your reading the word of God your not listening to it.

This confused people and I mainly got nowhere with anyone except a rare few but even if I tried to explain I knew I had to say it in that particular way because it had to be hinted at them I couldn't just explain to them what I was talking about.

 

[Agra Man]

This is actually something here he and I were talking about together. The prosperity gospel.
This has always urked me and quite frankly offends me to the deepest degree.

The absolute nerve these people have who preach and teach it the the mass followers they gather as they lavish in their wealth leading his flock astray the lack of respect for God treating him like a wish maker being lead by the enemy the whole time they will recieve their just rewards.

But there is no denying all the promises he gives us in the word of God. I have always felt like a kindred spirit to david the book of Psalms at this point unless he leads me to somewhere else is all I ever listen to it has always been the one book I can say is almost written for me LOL

But Look at Psalms 23 that one alone says everything then look at everything else all the good things he promises to us from then on and even before. I say to people do a study on all the things he promises to us every blessing all throughout the word of God it is amazing how much he just keeps bashing it over our heads.

But something I have noticed Is everything he has given me so far he mainly started giving once I went to work. From the first act of obedience to him when I said I would surrender utterly to him and the first real mission he sent me on that took real faith to act on knowing what would come with it but I obeyed.

Obedience serving trustingin in him the more I kept doing whatever I heard him say to do the more he revealed to me the more I grew. Even if I doubted and feared I said something wrong or would be like did I really just say that? I mean this stuff took me having no choice but to trust that everything I said was from him otherwise the fear and shame and guilt would consume me.


But I digress I got to the point where he started hinting a vague sense of blessing me and the prosperity gospel if you ask me has it backwards and it is so obvious to me I have no idea how they haven't figured it out yet.

Their wanting all these things for themselves for not for the kingdom. Excuse my language but are you all morons? Not you guys those false teachers and believers in the so called prosperity gospel. What if in all their praise to him for their material things and even their so called spiritual blessings but what if they used everything he gave them to give to the cause of Christ?


He would give all these things tenfold if you asked me and even better he would be proud

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Wow, thank you for clarifying that word for me by the a friend told me that is what it meant but honestly I prefer the opinion of others first.
And then on to that word Logos that word I have heard before what is that exactly that sounds more personal to God's person

And so it actually means the word of God speaking personally to me? That would make sense as this was during a time where he was training me to look at the word of God with different eyes it went against the normal way of it and it actually caused a big stirr on another forum but the thing is I actually got results.

He said to me how we read the word of God but we don't listen to it. This at first may seem like he was saying we aren't listening to what it is saying but it was more than that. We call it the word of God but why? Merely because it was the spoken word of God to us right? What did he do with one word alone? He created existance.

That is powerful if you really think about it but now think about this a word comes from the mouth it is spoken therefore you hear a word you don't read it you hear it. He wasn't talking about audio God is spirit therefore his word is spirit if you need spiritual eyes to read the bible doesn't it make more sense that if we are studying under his word we listen as a student?

How do we as his students listen to that which is spirit? We listen with the spirit he has given us. I would say to evceryone on that forum all the time the spirit speaks to the spirit, I would say all the time your reading the word of God your not listening to it.

This confused people and I mainly got nowhere with anyone except a rare few but even if I tried to explain I knew I had to say it in that particular way because it had to be hinted at them I couldn't just explain to them what I was talking about.

I recall a couple of instances where people who weren't even Christians spoke His Word in the Spirit to me -

I was going on a trip for the company, and the personnel dept. has informed that I HAD TO USE A COMPANY CAR if one was available (which one was). That meant I DIDN'T GET the $0.18 a mile for using my own car (over $100 for the trip). I wasn't AT ALL PLEASED about that, and let that be known in my department. My Boss walked by, and commented: "you must not be much of a Christian if you can talk like THAT."

I immediately recognized James 1:26, and the Holy Spirit drove it in all the way to my toenails. "Rhema" all the way. Bottom line - WHEN the Holy Spirit makes the Word alive to you as a Christian - YOU'LL KNOW IT. Sometimes, that "Rhema" isn't pleasant.

 

[Agra Man]

I recall a couple of instances where people who weren't even Christians spoke His Word in the Spirit to me -

I was going on a trip for the company, and the personnel dept. has informed that I HAD TO USE A COMPANY CAR if one was available (which one was). That meant I DIDN'T GET the $0.18 a mile for using my own car (over $100 for the trip). I wasn't AT ALL PLEASED about that, and let that be known in my department. My Boss walked by, and commented: "you must not be much of a Christian if you can talk like THAT."

I immediately recognized James 1:26, and the Holy Spirit drove it in all the way to my toenails. "Rhema" all the way. Bottom line - WHEN the Holy Spirit makes the Word alive to you as a Christian - YOU'LL KNOW IT. Sometimes, that "Rhema" isn't pleasant.

If you are refering to my usage of the word moron I waited and thought about it and just let God guide me about it as I did take into consideration the message of your story

But then I considered the word fool and how often it is used in scripture Kesus even called the Pharasee's venomous snakes that is a harsh insult. I haven't fully gone into it yet but so far this is what I found and as far as I can tell I didn't say anything wrong but I am open to your response.

Strong's Greek
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Strong's Greek: 878. ἄφρων (aphrón) -- without reason, foolish
... Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and phrén Definition without reason, foolish NASB Translation fool (2 ), foolish (8 ), foolish ones (1 ) . Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 878 ...

Strong's Greek: 878. ἄφρων (aphrón) -- without reason, foolish

Strong's Greek: 3474. μωρός (móros) -- dull, stupid, foolish
... dull, stupid, foolish Usage: (a ) adj: stupid, foolish, (b ) noun: a fool. HELPS Word-studies 3474 mōrós (the root of the English terms, "moron, moronic") – properly ...

Strong's Greek: 3474. μωρός (móros) -- dull, stupid, foolish

Strong's Greek: 3471. μωραίνω (mórainó) -- to be foolish
... figuratively) acting "stupid or silly," "insipid, flat." . . . "to play the fool" (WS, 30) . See 3474 (mōros) . NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin from móros Definition ...

Strong's Greek: 3471. μωραίνω (mórainó) -- to be foolish

Strong's Greek: 781. ἄσοφος (asophos) -- unwise
... (σοφός), unwise, foolish: Ephesians 5:15 . (From Theognis down.) Strong's Exhaustive Concordance fool. From a (as a negative particle) and sophos ; unwise- fool. see GREEK a see GREEK ...

 

[TB2]

This is actually something here he and I were talking about together. The prosperity gospel.
This has always urked me and quite frankly offends me to the deepest degree.

The absolute nerve these people have who preach and teach it the the mass followers they gather as they lavish in their wealth leading his flock astray the lack of respect for God treating him like a wish maker being lead by the enemy the whole time they will recieve their just rewards.

The "prosperity gospel" is a false gospel

 

[Carbon]

The "prosperity gospel" is a false gospel

Indeed it is.

 

[TB2]

apologize for the late reply I have been very busy mainly spending time with God. I was wondering what you think about this. See lately he has been saying the word Rhema

It is common to hear it said logos is the written word, while rhema is the spoken word. My recollection is the words are more nuanced than this and that it is best to avoid this type of spoken vs written dichotomous thinking. There is more overlap in meaning, and such a strict separation in meaning can't be maintained.

 

[TB2]

The sign gifts aren't the same as the gifts in general. They were given to the apostles to perform supernatural feats. So, nobody is claiming they ultimately don't come from God. The issue is about whether such gifts as were given to the apostles were wielded by them in their own individual power. That's the point.

The gifts are never under an individual's own power but always Spirit enabled. The apostles always made clear that any miracles were still always by the power of God. They were just a conduit, so to speak. And we also see that gifts of healing, miracles, and the like were not strictly limited to the apostles.

 

[TB2]

I'm a scientist who has seen physical substances miraculously, supernaturally materialize out of thin air. Cessationist arguments are to me like someone who can't see arguing with me that there's no such thing as sight. I don't mean that as a better-than-thou statement since like Paul I'm "chief among sinners." I simply mean I can't unsee what I've seen.