Co-Reality Hypothesis

[changsta]

Not all paradoxes are contradictions.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/thoughts-and-opinions-about-the-liar-paradox.800/

nice article. I don't think he ever stated that a contradiction was a paradox. His comment was more of a response to understand where exactly @Arial thinks he made such a statement.

 

[Arial]

Nowhere have I seen the claim that paradoxes are synonymous with contradictions. I have seen them referenced side by side, separated by a forward slash but that does not make them semantically the same.

It quite often does. It is up to the one who does it to clarify or present it in a different way.

What do you mean by human wisdom here? We could say that logic and reasoning is human wisdom but that would mean that the Bible is full of human wisdom as it is full of logic and reasoning.

Look at the OP. Look at what is used to arrive at a correct interpretation of scripture. It is completely unnecessary, is not a trustworthy method. It seems more an exercise in someone flaunting themselve. And In never said, inferred, or implied, that human wisdom is a bad thing. Or that there is no logic or reasoning in the Bible or that we are to be illogical and not use our reasoning. You are coming at me with straw man fallacies. and a few other ones also.

I'll go on a limb here and posit that you are inferring that human wisdom is being used in the ABSENCE of Godly wisdom. That could very well be the case. But an accusation like that should be backed up.

Why do you think I asked the questions? Which is different than accusation last time I checked.

Don't accuse someone and not supplement it. That's lazy

Stay in your lane. Don't go around policing posts that are not even made to you. Unless they were and changsta is just another name for Tony Chan.

As for the user's intent and purpose, why is it so important to know?

It is beneficial to a conversation if the intent and purpose are made known rather than concealed. Why is it so important to you that you question me and insult me as you are? Why is it so important that the first thing you do here is insert yourself into a post in the manner that you have in defense of something that has nothing to do with you?

If you find the post interesting, interact with it. If you think it has fallacies, point them out and add support for your arguments. If you think it's blasphemous, say why you think so and give the user a chance to clarify. A person's purpose or intent is revealed the more they talk.

Stay in your own lane. Don't play school marm. Don't attack staff, or anyone else. Mind your own business.

 

[changsta]

It quite often does. It is up to the one who does it to clarify or present it in a different way.

Look at the OP. Look at what is used to arrive at a correct interpretation of scripture. It is completely unnecessary, is not a trustworthy method. It seems more an exercise in someone flaunting themselve. And In never said, inferred, or implied, that human wisdom is a bad thing. Or that there is no logic or reasoning in the Bible or that we are to be illogical and not use our reasoning. You are coming at me with straw man fallacies. and a few other ones also.

Why do you think I asked the questions? Which is different than accusation last time I checked.

Stay in your lane. Don't go around policing posts that are not even made to you. Unless they were and changsta is just another name for Tony Chan.

It is beneficial to a conversation if the intent and purpose are made known rather than concealed. Why is it so important to you that you question me and insult me as you are? Why is it so important that the first thing you do here is insert yourself into a post in the manner that you have in defense of something that has nothing to do with you?

Stay in your own lane. Don't play school marm. Don't attack staff, or anyone else. Mind your own business.

I disagree with forward slashes being synonyms. If I say "blue/yellow", I am not saying they are the same, I am saying they are categorically grouped.

If it is unnecessary and not trustworthy, explain it. I'm not saying who is right or wrong, I just want proper dialogue to take place. "It seems more an exercise in someone flaunting themselves". You're going after intent again but haven't actually explained what's wrong with their interpretation method. You haven't provide any substance yet.

"Unless they were and changsta is just another name for Tony Chan". I am not him. Our writing styles are quite different.

You claim that you're only asking questions and not making any accusations but with all due respect, no substantive arguments have been given as to what is wrong with the OP. I mostly see speculations as to the person's purpose and intent. I apologize that this seems insulting and offensive.

I will stay in my own lane. This does not sound like a platform for dissent and dialogue.

 

[Arial]

You claim that you're only asking questions and not making any accusations but with all due respect, no substantive arguments have been given as to what is wrong with the OP. I mostly see speculations as to the person's purpose and intent. I apologize that this seems insulting and offensive.

If you read all my exchanges with him you will see the accusation you made is not true. Not one single thing.

This does not sound like a platform for dissent and dialogue.

Your dissent is with the person not the subject and the dialogue is nothing more than telling another person how they should be. It is in no way related to the OP or the conversation. It is picking a fight, and no this is not the platform for that.

 

[David1701]

On the one hand, horizontally, Ezra 7:


On the other hand, vertically:


There are two perspectives: a human perspective and a divine perspective. Both are true in this case. There is a co-dependency.

The vertical realm interacts with or H5060-touches the horizontal realm. Inversely, the horizontal realm also affects the verticle. E.g., after Jesus died, the Paraclete Indwelling Spirit was released.

Under the general framework of first-order logic, I propose the Co-Reality (or Dual Reality) Model to account for the paradoxes/contradictions between the vertical and horizontal perspectives:

• Whose idea was it to send the spies to scout the promised land?
• Whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven
• God was patient with vessels of wrath, PREPARED for destruction
• Did God stop the plague before or after David's offerings?
• Now eagerly DESIRE the greater gifts
• Were the waters of the Red Sea parted instantly?
• Co-reality when Elisha was surrounded by Aramean soldiers
• Was the first Passover unleavened bread ordered by God or forced upon the Israelites?
• Who hardened Pharoah's heart?
• Whose idea was it that David called for a census?
• HE/THEY gathered them together into a place called Armageddon
• NO ONE ever spoke the way this man does
• How old is the earth?
• Adam, Eve, and evolution
• Faith and works are logically equivalent
• Do we choose to repent?
• God has consigned ALL to disobedience
• Which Comes First: Faith or Repentance?
• Limited Negatives: Making Sense of How Jesus Speaks
• Which is EASIER, to say vertically this or to say horizontally that?

Limited Negatives often work with Co-Reality.

There are no contradictions in the Bible, only lack of understanding in the one reading it.

I'll take a couple of examples of the questions you've asked (far too many for one post).

"Whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven"

This can be translated, "Whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.". This is to do with church discipline; in other words, whatever you forgive on earth is what has been forgiven in heaven already.

"Whose idea was it that David called for a census?"

It was, firstly, God's idea; then, using the devil, David was tempted into the idea, because God wanted to punish Israel.

"How old is the earth?"

About 6,000 years.

"Adam, Eve and evolution"

Molecules-to-man evolution is theologically wrong and scientifically impossible (e.g. there is no materialistic mechanism by which abiogenesis could occur; there are numerous examples of irreducible complexity; evolution from simple to complex would require millions of instances of massive increases in genetic information; however, mutations cause damage, not increases in information, etc., etc.)

"Do we choose to repent?"

No; the Bible never says that repentance unto life is a product of man's choice; however, it does say that repentance is a gift from God.

 

[TonyChanYT]

There are no contradictions in the Bible

By "contradictions", do you mean First-Order Logical contradictions?

 

[CrowCross]

There are no contradictions in the Bible, only lack of understanding in the one reading it.

Agreed.

 

[David1701]

By "contradictions", do you mean First-Order Logical contradictions?

I mean statements that, when taken in context, disagree with or negate each other. The Bible has none of these.

 

[TonyChanYT]

I mean statements that, when taken in context, disagree with or negate each other.

Right. See https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/is-there-a-contradiction-in-proverbs-26-4–5.1740/

 

[David1701]

Right. See https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/is-there-a-contradiction-in-proverbs-26-4–5.1740/

I've now responded to your linked post.