Bible Problem

[NetChaplain]

Alr8ight,

Then is there a go to list that tells translations from the Majority Text? Or do we need to check all for 1JN5:7 and form our own?

All the modern translations omit all the same passages, because they all come from the same corrupt manuscripts.

 

[EarlyActs]

Hope you will spend much more time on complete analysis of the 20-some quotes of the OT by the apostles in early Acts. This is the core of NT teaching and it was done in-person. You'll need a version that footnotes OT quotes, NIV, NET, NASB.

Then these columns:
Acts location / OT location / # times / meaning

It is one of the 3 rational supports of NT truth; see the thread.


Meanwhile, here is an interesting exercise in a 'Bible problem.' It is a lesson in moving through an event with the people in the narrative:

In Acts 12, James is killed by the sword and Peter is kept in prison. The killing pleased the Jews. But we don't know if Peter knew. Down in v17 we see that he didn't know because he tells the Christian group to tell James. If this was a movie script, it would be a 'mechanical' error. Oops.

It might be possible that Peter was kept in the dark in prison--but then we would expect the group to tell him James was dead.

But there is a leader James in ch 15 in Jerusalem, and yep he's alive. The answer is back in ch 12 at v3 where the James mentioned there is a brother of John. So there is that one, and a son of Alphaeus, and one who is a brother of Jesus himself.

There is not a problem, just a quick reference that assumed we knew the 'default' James.

 

[Rella]

Hope you will spend much more time on complete analysis of the 20-some quotes of the OT by the apostles in early Acts. This is the core of NT teaching and it was done in-person. You'll need a version that footnotes OT quotes, NIV, NET, NASB.

Then these columns:
Acts location / OT location / # times / meaning

It is one of the 3 rational supports of NT truth; see the thread.


Meanwhile, here is an interesting exercise in a 'Bible problem.' It is a lesson in moving through an event with the people in the narrative:

In Acts 12, James is killed by the sword and Peter is kept in prison. The killing pleased the Jews. But we don't know if Peter knew. Down in v17 we see that he didn't know because he tells the Christian group to tell James. If this was a movie script, it would be a 'mechanical' error. Oops.

It might be possible that Peter was kept in the dark in prison--but then we would expect the group to tell him James was dead.

But there is a leader James in ch 15 in Jerusalem, and yep he's alive. The answer is back in ch 12 at v3 where the James mentioned there is a brother of John. So there is that one, and a son of Alphaeus, and one who is a brother of Jesus himself.

There is not a problem, just a quick reference that assumed we knew the 'default' James.

Ah, homework.

Nasb or Nasb95 or either?

 

[EarlyActs]

Ah, homework. View attachment 485

Nasb or Nasb95 or either?

As long as it identifies OT quotes easily. You can do this online at biblegateway.com. The NET will also tell you when allusions take place.

 

[Rella]

As long as it identifies OT quotes easily. You can do this online at biblegateway.com. The NET will also tell you when allusions take place.

Good... I have parked on my laptops 8 or 10 assorted bibles...

A good exercise to take my mind off whatever is

 

[EarlyActs]

Good... I have parked on my laptops 8 or 10 assorted bibles...

A good exercise to take my mind off whatever is

Yes, get familiar with these questions, build a spreadsheet or wp doc. Anyone in theology should really plan on doing this with all OT quotes. Then on to allusions.

I attended a dispensational school which did not do this, and I later learned it was obvious why; they are incompatible.

The UBS Greek text has a table at the back of all 2500 quotes and allusions (no distinction in list). Very helpful tool.

 

[Rella]

Yes, get familiar with these questions, build a spreadsheet or wp doc. Anyone in theology should really plan on doing this with all OT quotes. Then on to allusions.

I attended a dispensational school which did not do this, and I later learned it was obvious why; they are incompatible.

The UBS Greek text has a table at the back of all 2500 quotes and allusions (no distinction in list). Very helpful tool.

TY

 

[Arch Stanton]

Some Bible commentators believe that the "Whore of Babylon" is the RCC; all its attributes do fit the description. Most the members are not aware of the travesties it parades! Only those within this religion who truly seek truth will be led out to another source.

How do we know if your interpretations are correct? As an example, some say the WoB sits on 7 hills.... Rome has 7 hills but Vatican City is on the other side of the Tiber. That makes 8

 

[Carbon]

How do we know if your interpretations are correct? As an example, some say the WoB sits on 7 hills.... Rome has 7 hills but Vatican City is on the other side of the Tiber. That makes 8

Well sure there are 7 hills surrounding Rome. Read your history

 

[Arch Stanton]

Well sure there are 7 hills surrounding Rome. Read your history

I am having Déjà vu .... the 7 hills of Rome: Aventine Hill, Caelian Hill, Capitoline Hill, Esquiline Hill, Palatine Hill, Quirinal Hill, and Viminal Hill. Vatican Hill sits across the Tiber River from ancient Rome.

 

[NetChaplain]

How do we know if your interpretations are correct? As an example, some say the WoB sits on 7 hills.... Rome has 7 hills but Vatican City is on the other side of the Tiber. That makes 8

It has a lot of anti-Christian doctrines, hence it is anti-Christian. There are some members among this religion who truly seek God and leave the church to find Him. But the leaders are the culprits!

 

[Arch Stanton]

It has a lot of anti-Christian doctrines, hence it is anti-Christian. There are some members among this religion who truly seek God and leave the church to find Him. But the leaders are the culprits!

Those leaders have apostolic succession, as do the Orthodox. Maybe your personal, fallible interpretations or scripture are incorrect.

 

[Mikeuk]

I wouldn't call the RC a Christian church, though they claim to be. They have many anti-Christian doctrines that are well hid and misunderstood, like their doctrine concerning Immaculate Conception: "the conception of the Virgin Mary in which as decreed in Roman Catholic dogma her soul was preserved free from original sin by divine grace." -Merriam Webster. Of course this can only apply to the Lord Jesus! Thanks for your replies!

I’m fascinated by this.

It may be common sense to you, but as Einstein said common sense is the net sum of prejudice!

By what power do you restrict what God can choose to do?
Your power of logic applied to a God , way beyond our power to comprehend, based on your personal opinion of scripture?
But you are told “ not to lean on your own understanding” but listen to those who “ were sent”

Correcting the first point:
Jesus IS God begotten, so He is not a creation saved by divine grace as you imply, he is divine. Pure . Spotless.
So your phrase “only apply to Lord Jesus “ is false,

And the second :
She is Kechairetomene “ completed in grace” or “ perfected in grace” a better translation of the tense used than “ full”
Gods most perfect creation in whom He is “ well pleased”

Every day Christian’s ( we Catholics! )
pray the Lords prayer in which we ask for the graces:
” do not lead us into temptation” - allow us to fall into temptation.
” deliver us from evil” - the situations of evil.

Mary is not just described as full of grace she is greeted with the NAME hail “ full of grace”. Grace personified.
Competed in grace.

Why Do you doubt the power of God to grant the graces that you ask for every day? Some Christian!
why Do you doubt the power of that Grace to save?

There are two ways to save from a pit -
The first is giving grace to stop you falling in.( which you ask for , I hope! )
The second is to pull you out after,

In Marys case her saviour not just gave her grace , but “completed her in grace “
so she never fell Into the pit, if you accept the power of full of grace to save?
Do you limit the power of grace?

Why do protestants treat our lady with such contempt?
They treat her like a used wine skin!
Never mind us -

Jesus must be appalled at how you treat his mother! Have you called her blessed as scripture says you must?

Indeed at the provable prophesied miracle at Fatima “ so all would see and believe” , we know He is offended!
the status as immaculate was confirmed .
As well as Gods anger at how Christs true presence as the Eucharist is being profaned !

 

[NetChaplain]

Those leaders have apostolic succession, as do the Orthodox. Maybe your personal, fallible interpretations or scripture are incorrect.

I not going to argue about this issue, but just want to ask, would Apostles of Christ teach against His Word, like "Immaculate Conception": the conception of the Virgin Mary in which as decreed in Roman Catholic dogma her soul was preserved free from original sin by divine grace (Rom 3:23; Rom 5:12). I can show you many of such examples!

 

[Arch Stanton]

I not going to argue about this issue, but just want to ask, would Apostles of Christ teach against His Word, like "Immaculate Conception": the conception of the Virgin Mary in which as decreed in Roman Catholic dogma her soul was preserved free from original sin by divine grace (Rom 3:23; Rom 5:12). I can show you many of such examples!

The Bible is not a manual with everything listed. Are you stating that the Catholic Church teaches contrary to a specific scripture?

Thanks

 

[NetChaplain]

The Bible is not a manual with everything listed. Are you stating that the Catholic Church teaches contrary to a specific scripture?

Thanks

It's ok, but you're just not understanding the impact of the RC's doings! God bless!

 

[Arch Stanton]

It's ok, but you're just not understanding the impact of the RC's doings! God bless!

All one can do is trust [have faith] that Christ gave us a Church protected by the Holy Spirit.

Blessings!

 

[NetChaplain]

All one can do is trust [have faith] that Christ gave us a Church protected by the Holy Spirit.

Blessings!

True, and I like what you said; but it's got to be the whole Word (truth) and nothing but the Word. No man can know truth except by the "Word of Truth" (2Co 6:7; Eph 1:13; 2Ti 2:15; Jas 1:18).

 

[Arch Stanton]

True, and I like what you said; but it's got to be the whole Word (truth) and nothing but the Word. No man can know truth except by the "Word of Truth" (2Co 6:7; Eph 1:13; 2Ti 2:15; Jas 1:18).

and the 'Word' was made flesh.... He gave authority to His Church. That Church was/is continuously protected by the Holy Spirit.