9 teachings from Jesus

[Viking123]

In EVERY translation on Earth that clearly show who he is with.

1) Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
2)The Lords prayer- Hallowed be your name( Father=YHVH(Jehovah)
3) Matt 5:5- Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the EARTH.-- see not all are going to heaven.
4)John 20:17--Jesus teaches he has a God just like we do--Rev 3:12, as do his real teachers-Paul= Eph 1:3, Col 1:3, 2Cor 1:3-1Cor 15:24-28--Peter 1Pet 1:3
5)John 17:1-6,26-- Jesus teaches the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- verse 6=YHVH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHVH(Jehovah)--And to get eternal life one must know the Father( only true God) and know Jesus)--but do not have to know the holy spirit. Why if they are Equal?
6) John 5:30--Sent by the Father can do nothing of myself.
7)John 4:22-24--Warns people they don't know the God they serve, then assures the true followers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.
8) John 15:20-21- Jesus warns all that on account of his name( thinking they stand for it) they will do things against the true followers Why? Because they do not know the one who sent him= Father))))-----THE ONLY TRUE GOD
9) At John 15:10-14 Jesus assures to remain in his love and remain his friend one MUST obey him as he MUST obey the Father to remain in his love.--Does one actually think that God can fall out of Gods love?

 

[CrowCross]

In EVERY translation on Earth that clearly show who he is with.

1) Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
2)The Lords prayer- Hallowed be your name( Father=YHVH(Jehovah)
3) Matt 5:5- Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the EARTH.-- see not all are going to heaven.
4)John 20:17--Jesus teaches he has a God just like we do--Rev 3:12, as do his real teachers-Paul= Eph 1:3, Col 1:3, 2Cor 1:3-1Cor 15:24-28--Peter 1Pet 1:3
5)John 17:1-6,26-- Jesus teaches the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- verse 6=YHVH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHVH(Jehovah)--And to get eternal life one must know the Father( only true God) and know Jesus)--but do not have to know the holy spirit. Why if they are Equal?
6) John 5:30--Sent by the Father can do nothing of myself.
7)John 4:22-24--Warns people they don't know the God they serve, then assures the true followers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.
8) John 15:20-21- Jesus warns all that on account of his name( thinking they stand for it) they will do things against the true followers Why? Because they do not know the one who sent him= Father))))-----THE ONLY TRUE GOD
9) At John 15:10-14 Jesus assures to remain in his love and remain his friend one MUST obey him as he MUST obey the Father to remain in his love.--Does one actually think that God can fall out of Gods love?

When I read your above list...I can see where you often fail.

 

[Fred]

5)John 17:1-6,26-- Jesus teaches the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- verse 6=YHVH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHVH(Jehovah)--And to get eternal life one must know the Father( only true God) and know Jesus)--but do not have to know the holy spirit. Why if they are Equal?

See John 14:17.

 

[atpollard]

Does one actually think that God can fall out of Gods love?

Nope, but your question is nonsensically phrased as if God were a pantheon of beings all named God [Like "This is my brother Daryl and my other brother Daryl" of Daryl, Daryl and Larry fame] rather than the mystery of "one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence" - Athanasian Creed.

Of greater importance and utility to believers is that God's Children can never fall out of God's love:

1. John 6:37-40 [NIV] All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."
2. John 6:44 [NIV] "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."
3. John 10:27-30 [NIV] "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
4. John 13:34 [NIV] "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."
5. John 15:12 [NIV] "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you."
6. John 16:27 [NIV] "No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God."
7. John 17:23 [NIV] "I in them and you in me--so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

... (7 is the number of completion) and one more for FREE from outside the Gospel of John:

• 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 [NIV] "Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come."

[EDIT: Correct name to Larry]

 

[Josheb]

In EVERY translation on Earth that clearly show who he is with.

1) Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
2)The Lords prayer- Hallowed be your name( Father=YHVH(Jehovah)
3) Matt 5:5- Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the EARTH.-- see not all are going to heaven.
4)John 20:17--Jesus teaches he has a God just like we do--Rev 3:12, as do his real teachers-Paul= Eph 1:3, Col 1:3, 2Cor 1:3-1Cor 15:24-28--Peter 1Pet 1:3
5)John 17:1-6,26-- Jesus teaches the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- verse 6=YHVH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHVH(Jehovah)--And to get eternal life one must know the Father( only true God) and know Jesus)--but do not have to know the holy spirit. Why if they are Equal?
6) John 5:30--Sent by the Father can do nothing of myself.
7)John 4:22-24--Warns people they don't know the God they serve, then assures the true followers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.
8) John 15:20-21- Jesus warns all that on account of his name( thinking they stand for it) they will do things against the true followers Why? Because they do not know the one who sent him= Father))))-----THE ONLY TRUE GOD
9) At John 15:10-14 Jesus assures to remain in his love and remain his friend one MUST obey him as he MUST obey the Father to remain in his love.--Does one actually think that God can fall out of Gods love?

That post is filled with exegetical errors and logical errors.

Matthew 6:33, for example, was spoken within the context of God having already declared no one seeks God's kingdom first (no one except Jesus, that is). The moment the context was ignored the op failed.

So..... thank you for updating your profile to identify your religious orientation as a JW, but start over. Critically examine every single statement in the op and do it with a conscious effort to preclude any valid criticism. Try to anticipate what anyone might bring to bear on it. That will necessarily require you to examine the contexts of every single verse you'd like to use. Every single verse in the op, for example, occurs as a direct product of everything written in the history, Law and prophets that preceded it - all of which testify about Jesus. Every single verse cited in the op also exists in contexts that changed following Calvary and Pentecost. There's in no way any Jew denying Jesus' name could ever know God or Jesus as either are. It's an assumption on your part that God could not send God, God the Father could not send God the Son, and it is incumbent upon you, not the reader of the op, to prove your unstated assumptions.

Lastly, if this op is intended to assert and teach JWism then it belongs in the JW board, and if this op is intended to dispute the divinity of Christ and/or the doctrine of the Trinity, then it belongs in the Trinity board. If that is your purpose, then ask the mods to move the op while it is still early because if I find this op was posted inappropriately, I will report it. Do the right thing(s) .

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

Nope, but your question is nonsensically phrased as if God were a pantheon of beings all named God [Like "This is my brother Daryl and my other brother Daryl" of Daryl, Daryl and Daryl fame] ...

1. You're showing your age.

2. His name was Larry, his brothers were named Daryl.

 

[Viking123]

Nope, but your question is nonsensically phrased as if God were a pantheon of beings all named God [Like "This is my brother Daryl and my other brother Daryl" of Daryl, Daryl and Daryl fame] rather than the mystery of "one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence" - Athanasian Creed.

Of greater importance and utility to believers is that God's Children can never fall out of God's love:

1. John 6:37-40 [NIV] All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."
2. John 6:44 [NIV] "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."
3. John 10:27-30 [NIV] "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
4. John 13:34 [NIV] "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."
5. John 15:12 [NIV] "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you."
6. John 16:27 [NIV] "No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God."
7. John 17:23 [NIV] "I in them and you in me--so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

... (7 is the number of completion) and one more for FREE from outside the Gospel of John:

• 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 [NIV] "Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come."

Only the little flock=144,000 are anointed

 

[Viking123]

That post is filled with exegetical errors and logical errors.

Matthew 6:33, for example, was spoken within the context of God having already declared no one seeks God's kingdom first (no one except Jesus, that is). The moment the context was ignored the op failed.

So..... thank you for updating your profile to identify your religious orientation as a JW, but start over. Critically examine every single statement in the op and do it with a conscious effort to preclude any valid criticism. Try to anticipate what anyone might bring to bear on it. That will necessarily require you to examine the contexts of every single verse you'd like to use. Every single verse in the op, for example, occurs as a direct product of everything written in the history, Law and prophets that preceded it - all of which testify about Jesus. Every single verse cited in the op also exists in contexts that changed following Calvary and Pentecost. There's in no way any Jew denying Jesus' name could ever know God or Jesus as either are. It's an assumption on your part that God could not send God, God the Father could not send God the Son, and it is incumbent upon you, not the reader of the op, to prove your unstated assumptions.

Lastly, if this op is intended to assert and teach JWism then it belongs in the JW board, and if this op is intended to dispute the divinity of Christ and/or the doctrine of the Trinity, then it belongs in the Trinity board. If that is your purpose, then ask the mods to move the op while it is still early because if I find this op was posted inappropriately, I will report it. Do the right thing(s) .

There is no error in my post.

 

[Arial]

Only the little flock=144,000 are anointed

I would like to take this moment to thank you for so wonderfully illustrating for us signs of a false teacher.

They never really have any support for what they claim.
Do not answer questions.
Post responses unrelated to the post they are responding to.
Take an OP off track for the purpose of spouting their false teaching.
Have a resemblance that could be said to be identical with a troll in the things and way they post.
Make stuff up and declare it as fact.
Use gross hyperbole to supposedly strengthen their authority. ("Everyone on earth", "Every scholar on earth", "All Christians on earth".)

 

[atpollard]

1. You're showing your age.

2. His name was Larry, his brothers were named Daryl.

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I stand corrected. To be fair, I didn’t watch it much … just one or two episodes. However I had a vague recollection of “this is my brother Daryl and my other brother Daryl”.

 

[atpollard]

Only the little flock=144,000 are anointed

Ah yes, the famous “only 144,000 seats on the bus to Heaven” theory.
[Only marginally better than the “Planet Kolob” theory of the LDS.]

 

[Josheb]

There is no error in my post.

Post 5 proves otherwise. The op is deeply flawed and in multiple ways. Any defense to the contrary should begin with the two errors cited in Post 5, as well as the matter @Fred broached (because Fred's point is valid), as well as those broached by @Arial.

Should the participant expect you to discuss the purported "9 Teachings from Jesus", or not?

 

[Viking123]

I would like to take this moment to thank you for so wonderfully illustrating for us signs of a false teacher.

They never really have any support for what they claim.
Do not answer questions.
Post responses unrelated to the post they are responding to.
Take an OP off track for the purpose of spouting their false teaching.
Have a resemblance that could be said to be identical with a troll in the things and way they post.
Make stuff up and declare it as fact.
Use gross hyperbole to supposedly strengthen their authority. ("Everyone on earth", "Every scholar on earth", "All Christians on earth".)

You must have missed this fact--Luke 22:29-30-- The night of the Lords evening meal= a covenant only to those who will sit on thrones))= the 144,000= the anointed little flock, not the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold. Bible reality.

 

[Viking123]

Post 5 proves otherwise. The op is deeply flawed and in multiple ways. Any defense to the contrary should begin with the two errors cited in Post 5, as well as the matter @Fred broached (because Fred's point is valid), as well as those broached by @Arial.

Should the participant expect you to discuss the purported "9 Teachings from Jesus", or not?

Only flawed to those in darkness because they use altered translations.

 

[Arial]

You must have missed this fact--Luke 22:29-30-- The night of the Lords evening meal= a covenant only to those who will sit on thrones))= the 144,000= the anointed little flock, not the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold. Bible reality.

That is just you repeating the JW position. It falls into this category.

Make stuff up and declare it as fact.

Luke 22:29 is the middle of a sentence, so I will start with the beginning of the sentence 28-30 "You are those who have stayed with me in my trials, and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom, that you may eat an drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. That is the ESV.

The NWT disqualifies itself by being the retranslated version produced by a cult and for their own authentication and by the fact that even in this one passage it adds to the words of God.

"However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel..

In any case, who is Jesus talking to? The twelve, not 144,000. To apply this to the 144,00 of Rev is a gross miscarriage of proper scripture interpretation.

But again your whole post here falls into the category of identifying flags of a false teacher, that you have made apparent by your own posts. This one:

Post responses unrelated to the post they are responding to.

And this one:

Have a resemblance that could be said to be identical with a troll in the things and way they post.

 

[Josheb]

Only flawed to those in darkness because they use altered translations.

No, deeply flawed on its own, objectively speaking when measured by the whole of God's word. Scapegoating others with insinuations of their "darkness" does not prove otherwise. It just makes you look incompetent and unable and unwilling to address the flaws. Appeals to the red herring of "altered translation" are also, likewise, completely fallacious.
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Matthew 6:33, for example, was spoken within the context of God having already declared no one seeks God's kingdom first (no one except Jesus, that is). The moment the context was ignored the op failed.

If there is no desire to discuss that fact, then just say so. There is no warrant for mentioning any poster. Matthew 6:33 was not said, and it does not exist, in a vacuum. It is rarely wise, and even less often efficacious to treat any one verse as definitive. The op does that nine times and I am not the only one trying to bring that to your attention, asking you to engage that problem and those that ensue from it.

• Should I expect you to engage the context of Matthew 6:33, or not?
• Should I look forward to you engaging @Fred 's request for John 14:17's examination, or not?
• Should I look for posts addressing the problems of methodology @Arial cited, or not?

A few here have shown some modicum of disrespect by mocking your affiliation with the heretical Jehovah's Witness cult, but I have tried to engage you on the matter of scripture, so please do not treat everyone alike.

Are you going to address the problem of proof-texting Matthew 6:33 or not? Once that is done, will you do the same with each of the nine "lessons"? Just say, "No," if that's not going to happen and I will move on to other threads.

 

[Viking123]

That is just you repeating the JW position. It falls into this category.

Luke 22:29 is the middle of a sentence, so I will start with the beginning of the sentence 28-30 "You are those who have stayed with me in my trials, and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom, that you may eat an drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. That is the ESV.

The NWT disqualifies itself by being the retranslated version produced by a cult and for their own authentication and by the fact that even in this one passage it adds to the words of God.

"However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel..

In any case, who is Jesus talking to? The twelve, not 144,000. To apply this to the 144,00 of Rev is a gross miscarriage of proper scripture interpretation.

But again your whole post here falls into the category of identifying flags of a false teacher, that you have made apparent by your own posts. This one:

And this one:

I showed what Jesus teaches at Luke 22:29-30--its you rejecting it.

No, deeply flawed on its own, objectively speaking when measured by the whole of God's word. Scapegoating others with insinuations of their "darkness" does not prove otherwise. It just makes you look incompetent and unable and unwilling to address the flaws. Appeals to the red herring of "altered translation" are also, likewise, completely fallacious.
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If there is no desire to discuss that fact, then just say so. There is no warrant for mentioning any poster. Matthew 6:33 was not said, and it does not exist, in a vacuum. It is rarely wise, and even less often efficacious to treat any one verse as definitive. The op does that nine times and I am not the only one trying to bring that to your attention, asking you to engage that problem and those that ensue from it.

• Should I expect you to engage the context of Matthew 6:33, or not?
• Should I look forward to you engaging @Fred 's request for John 14:17's examination, or not?
• Should I look for posts addressing the problems of methodology @Arial cited, or not?

A few here have shown some modicum of disrespect by mocking your affiliation with the heretical Jehovah's Witness cult, but I have tried to engage you on the matter of scripture, so please do not treat everyone alike.

Are you going to address the problem of proof-texting Matthew 6:33 or not? Once that is done, will you do the same with each of the nine "lessons"? Just say, "No," if that's not going to happen and I will move on to other threads.

Every true follower on Earth accomplishes Matt 6:33-24/7-365
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[Arial]

I showed what Jesus teaches at Luke 22:29-30--its you rejecting it.

You just showed me the JW view which changed the scripture and left the first part of the sentence (a cruciial part as it defined the audience) out. I showed you the whole scripture and actually showed you from the scripture that the JW has completely misrepresented and misapplied it. You gave no reason or reasoning as to why you pov is correct. You simply said it was. There is not one single scripture I reject and anymore remarks like that to anyone will result in rule violating actions taken. I reject your interpretation of the scripture. See the difference?

Every true follower on Earth accomplishes Matt 6:33-24/7-365

SIgns of a false teacher:

Use gross hyperbole to supposedly strengthen their authority. ("Everyone on earth", "Every scholar on earth", "All Christians on earth".)

 

[Josheb]

I showed what Jesus teaches at Luke 22:29-30--its you rejecting it.

Nope. Never happened. You've confused me with @Arial and @atpollard. Those are the two posters with whom you've been discussing Luke 22.

I have attempted to discuss Matthew 6:33 with you and you've refused to address the point(s) made or answer any questions I have asked. The op proof-texted a verse and thereby misused what Jesus said risked creating a straw man. I tried to correct that error by providing an example of the verse's many contexts and it is you who has been doing the rejecting. No one sought God or His kingdom when Mattew 6:33 was spoken.

Psalm 14:2-3
The LORD has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one.

Psalm 53:2-3
God has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if there is anyone who understands, Who seeks after God. Every one of them has turned aside; together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one.

That is what the Jews in attendance when Jesus spoke those words would have understood. Sadducean Judaism always misunderstood the Kingdom of God (KoG) and that needed correction. During the intertestamental period Greek Hellenism further corrupted Judaism and its beliefs concerning the KoG. Underneath all of that mess was the simple fact the sinful flesh has no interest in the things of God. The mind of flesh cannot comprehend the things of the Spirit, nor does it, nor can it please God. Paul reiterated this fact after Calvary and Pentecost. In speaking about ethnic divisions with the early Church he wrote,

Romans 3:9-18 ESV
What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Therefore, when Jesus speaks about the need to seek God and he is speaking to an exceedingly religious culture he does so within the inherent and inescapable context of no one seeking God and every single one of those in attendance being worthless, with their mouths being murderously open graves of venomous curses and bitterness whose path is ruin and misery.

That is what Jesus taught and for nearly a score of posts it is you who has been doing the rejecting.

Every true follower on Earth accomplishes Matt 6:33-24/7-365
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Maybe. What you mean by "true believer" and what scripture has to say on that phrase (which is nowhere found in scripture) are likely to be two different (and probably irreconcilable) things. That is mostly due to the JW misunderstanding of the KoG, but all modern futurists have a misguided view of the kingdom to some degree. Anyone who is still awaiting the kingdom's arrival has missed the boat.



At any rate, I will have no more truck with you in this thread because I cannot get a dialogue on the point made or answers to any of the questions asked.

 

[Viking123]

You just showed me the JW view which changed the scripture and left the first part of the sentence (a cruciial part as it defined the audience) out. I showed you the whole scripture and actually showed you from the scripture that the JW has completely misrepresented and misapplied it. You gave no reason or reasoning as to why you pov is correct. You simply said it was. There is not one single scripture I reject and anymore remarks like that to anyone will result in rule violating actions taken. I reject your interpretation of the scripture. See the difference?

SIgns of a false teacher:

Sad calling Jesus truth a false teacher-You must have missed- Whatever you do to the least of these my brothers, you do to me. So you just called Jesus a false teacher-Matt 6:33 is in EVERY translation on Earth.