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Who are the Trinity - and Why?

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Single Eyed. Matthew 6:22
The problem yet to be addressed by many is how the natures of the all three of Trinity exist.

We know that the Father is solely God.

We know that the Son is both humanity (soul) and God in a unique union.

But the Holy Spirit? We fail to see that the Holy Spirit, like the Son, possesses two natures in union.

Jesus is "soul" as are men are souls, and Deity in union.

The Holy Spirit is "spirit" as are angels, and Deity in union!

That reveals how God communicates Himself to both men and angels.

The Soul of Jesus INTERPRETS God to us as we as souls can comprehend.

John 1:18 tells us...

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God
and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."

Before man was created the angels were alone.
For them?
The Angel of Jehovah interpreted the Father to them!
Just as Jesus is fully man and fully God, and came to man.

The Angel of Jehovah was fully angel and fully God in union in bodily form who first appeared to angels!

Some want to discuss?

grace and peace .............................
 
Scripture that says the HS is an angel?

Exodus 3:1-6

The Angel of Jehovah appeared throughout the OT, but no more appearances exist after the Incarnation of Christ.

Jesus is humanity having a soul. Jesus could not have been an angel that is not soul.

Not to be confused with "an" angel of the Lord.
"The" Angel of the Lord was said to be God.


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he
led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
There The Angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought,
“I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush,
“Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”
“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing
is holy ground.” Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God
of Isaac and the God of Jacob.”
At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God."


The Holy Spirit in the OT was God at times manifested in bodily form of an angel.

Jesus is the Son, who is God now manifested in bodily form of a man.
"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."
Colossians 2:9

grace and peace .................
 
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Exodus 3:1-6

The Angel of Jehovah appeared throughout the OT, but no more appearances exist after the Incarnation of Christ.

Jesus is humanity having a soul. Jesus could not have been an angel that is not soul.

Not to be confused with "an" angel of the Lord.
"The" Angel of the Lord was said to be God.


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he
led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
There The Angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought,
“I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush,
“Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”
“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing
is holy ground.” Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God
of Isaac and the God of Jacob.”
At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God."


The Holy Spirit in the OT was God at times manifested in bodily form of an angel.

Jesus is the Son, who is God now manifested in bodily form of a man.
"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."
Colossians 2:9

grace and peace .................
What happened to call no man father?


Lk 1: 11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
 
What happened to call no man father?


Lk 1: 11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
I answer one question....

And its as if you slept through it, and suddenly wake up to blurt out a new unrelated question.

Not good if you wish to have a discussion...
 
I answer one question....

And its as if you slept through it, and suddenly wake up to blurt out a new unrelated question.

Not good if you wish to have a discussion...
Sorry if your answers spur more questions
 
Sorry if your answers spur more questions

That's OK. But? They must be related.

When that happens it usually means that someone is up over his head.

Back to where you swerved off the road:

Scripture that says the HS is an angel?
Exodus 3:1-6

The Angel of Jehovah appeared throughout the OT, but no more appearances exist after the Incarnation of Christ.

Jesus is humanity having a soul. Jesus could not have been an angel that is not soul.

Not to be confused with "an" angel of the Lord.
"The" Angel of the Lord was said to be God.


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he
led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
There The Angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought,
“I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush,
“Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”
“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing
is holy ground.” Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God
of Isaac and the God of Jacob.”
At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God."

The Holy Spirit in the OT was God at times being manifested in bodily form of the Angel of Jehovah.

Jesus is the Son, who is now God being manifested in bodily form of a man.

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." Colossians 2:9​


Tell me? That was meaningless to you?
Not worth a comment? About the answer you were given to your own question?

Why did you run and hide from it?



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That's OK. But? They must be related.

When that happens it usually means that someone is up over his head.

Back to where you swerved off the road:


Exodus 3:1-6

The Angel of Jehovah appeared throughout the OT, but no more appearances exist after the Incarnation of Christ.

Jesus is humanity having a soul. Jesus could not have been an angel that is not soul.

Not to be confused with "an" angel of the Lord.
"The" Angel of the Lord was said to be God.


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he
led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
There The Angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought,
“I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush,
“Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”
“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing
is holy ground.” Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God
of Isaac and the God of Jacob.”
At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God."

The Holy Spirit in the OT was God at times being manifested in bodily form of the Angel of Jehovah.

Jesus is the Son, who is now God being manifested in bodily form of a man.

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." Colossians 2:9​


Tell me? That was meaningless to you?
Not worth a comment? About the answer you were given to your own question?

Why did you run and hide from it?



...........
Sounds like sybilianism or modelism both are heresies condemned in the early church
 
Sounds like sybilianism or modelism both are heresies condemned in the early church

What I shared is neither modalism nor sabellianism.

[edit by mod - refrain from personal commentary]

grace and peace .............
 
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The problem yet to be addressed by many is how the natures of the all three of Trinity exist.

We know that the Father is solely God.

We know that the Son is both humanity (soul) and God in a unique union.

But the Holy Spirit? We fail to see that the Holy Spirit, like the Son, possesses two natures in union.

Jesus is "soul" as are men are souls, and Deity in union.

The Holy Spirit is "spirit" as are angels, and Deity in union!

That reveals how God communicates Himself to both men and angels.

The Soul of Jesus INTERPRETS God to us as we as souls can comprehend.

John 1:18 tells us...

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God
and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."

Before man was created the angels were alone.
For them?
The Angel of Jehovah interpreted the Father to them!
Just as Jesus is fully man and fully God, and came to man.

The Angel of Jehovah was fully angel and fully God in union in bodily form who first appeared to angels!

Some want to discuss?

grace and peace .............................
Let it be clear that Jesus as the son of man is not a God-man and there is no union of the divine with the human or flesh man. What there is in the son of man is the Spirit of God who is God manifest in the son of man. This is not a union!

However ,there is a union with the Father and the Son of God as they are a unified one who is one Spirit.

To say that the Father is God is scriptural but God always includes the Son of God thus the God we worship in Spirit and in truth is a singular God that is a plurality but it is one singular God that is one person.

What do we see when we see God? We know God can not be seen because God is Spirit therefore we can not see God who is the Father and the Son in relationship. We can not see the Father or the Son but we can see the son of man! However, who do we worship the son of man or God? Who does the son of man worship?

Why is Jesus as the son of man called the Son of God? It is because the Son of God took on the form of a human servant of God and reveals his true nature to us in the way the son of man serves God.

However, when we see the Son we are also seeing the Father because God is in a Father and Son relationship and they are one Spirit. Thus, what Jesus said to Philip is true when he said if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

Now, I mentioned that God who is Spirit can not be seen but the son of God reveals the Father and the Son that can not be seen. Thus, "see" really means to understand what we can not literally see!

Now, there is no trinity God show in the scriptures and God is clearly Spirit.

There is the Spirit of God or the Father and there is the Spirit of Christ but it is the one and same Spirit.

The singular God says that he is one and thus Elohim is a plural word because God is a plurality! That is what the Echad is but we are dealing with a singular person!

Now, why are we taught that there is three God persons when scriptures do not?

Is not the Father mentioned and the Son of God and Spirit mentioned?

Is not the Spirit personified?

The Spirit is personified but the Spirit is God who is Spirit!

How are we to see the Father and the Son if they are not two persons but one person.

Do a study on the word prosópon or pesona because they are singular words and discover what they mean and understand them in the context that God is a singular person not three.

When you speak of God we are seeing a Father and Son in relationship but it is one God.

God has personas or faces of his true self and each persona has it own roles or offices but there are pesonas which have roles of the one God.

God having personas of himself does not make him persons but personas do communicate with one another and share in a unified purpose of the one God.

Humans have personas as well but they are different from God. Man can be a husband and a brother, neighbor, and a friend and each role we put on in our daily lives but we are still one person!

God is the same way having persons of himself or in himself and these persons have roles but God can be a Father and a Son but not quite in the same way. Man can be a Father and a son but the Son comes not from himself but from the Father it is different because all things proceed out of God . It does not work that way with man. However, the SON (sons) come from the Father (fathers).

"4383Persona etymology
Home Latin Persona

Latin word persona has an uncertain origin: it possibly comes from Ancient Greek πρόσωπον (prósōpon - face, appearance, mask) or possibly from the Etruscan word 𐌘𐌄𐌓𐌔𐌖 (φersu) with a similar meaning. prosópon https://etymologeek.com/lat/persona/39781650

Strong's Concordance
hupostasis: a support, substance, steadiness, hence assurance
Original Word: ὑπόστασις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hupostasis
Phonetic Spelling: (hoop-os'-tas-is)
Definition: a support, substance, steadiness, assurance
Usage: (lit: an underlying), (a) confidence, assurance, (b) a giving substance (or reality) to, or a guaranteeing, (c) substance, reality.
HELPS Word-studies
5287 hypóstasis(from 5259 /hypó, "under" and 2476 /hístēmi, "to stand") – properly, (to possess) standing under a guaranteed agreement ("title-deed"); (figuratively) "title" to a promise or property, i.e. a legitimate claim (because it literally is, "under a legal-standing") – entitling someone to what is guaranteed under the particular agreement.

For the believer, 5287 /hypóstasis ("title of possession") is the Lord's guarantee to fulfill the faith He inbirths (cf. Heb 11:1 with Heb 11:6). Indeed we are only entitled to what God grants faith for (Ro 14:23). https://biblehub.com/greek/5287.htm


NAS Exhaustive Concorda

4383. prosópon ►
Strong's Concordance
prosópon: the face
Original Word: πρόσωπον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: prosópon
Phonetic Spelling: (pros'-o-pon)
Definition: the face
Usage: the face, countenance, surface.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from pros and óps (an eye, face)
Definition
the face
NASB Translation
ahead* (2), appearance (5), before* (2), coming* (1), face (37), faces (5), openly (1), outwardly* (1), partial* (3), partiality (1), people (1), person (1), persons (1), presence (11), sight (1).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4383: πρόσωπον"


Okay, enough said for now. God bless you. :)
 
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