What Seventh-Day Adventist believe.

[Hobie]

Adventist have central distinct doctrines which are the Pillars of Adventism, but Adventist also share doctrines of the basic truths of Christianity.

Here is what Wikipedia has which is pretty straightforward on the doctrines which Seventh-day Adventists have which are the central doctrines of Protestant Christianity:

The Trinity, the incarnation, the virgin birth, the substitutionary atonement, justification by faith, creation, the second coming, the resurrection of the dead, and last judgment.

In Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine (1957), four authors outlined the core doctrines that they share with Protestant Christianity.

"In Common With Conservative Christians and the Historic Protestant Creeds, We Believe—
1. That God is the Sovereign Creator, upholder, and ruler of the universe, and that He is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
2. That the Godhead, the Trinity, comprises God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
3. That the Scriptures are the inspired revelation of God to men; and that the Bible is the sole rule of faith and practice.
4. That Jesus Christ is very God, and that He has existed with the Father from all eternity.
5. That the Holy Spirit is a personal being, sharing the attributes of deity with the Father and the Son.
6. That Christ, the Word of God, became incarnate through the miraculous conception and the virgin birth; and that He lived an absolutely sinless life here on earth.
7. That the vicarious, atoning death of Jesus Christ, once for all, is all-sufficient for the redemption of a lost race.
8. That Jesus Christ arose literally and bodily from the grave.
9. That He ascended literally and bodily into heaven.
10. That He now serves as our advocate in priestly ministry and mediation before the Father.
11. That He will return in a premillennial, personal, imminent second advent.
12. That man was created sinless, but by his subsequent fall entered a state of alienation and depravity.
13. That salvation through Christ is by grace alone, through faith in His blood.
14. That entrance upon the new life in Christ is by regeneration, or the new birth.
15. That man is justified by faith.
16. That man is sanctified by the indwelling Christ through the Holy Spirit.
17. That man will be glorified at the resurrection or translation of the saints, when the Lord returns.
18. That there will be a judgment of all men.
19. That the gospel is to be preached as a witness to all the world."
The theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church resembles that of Protestant Christianity, combining elements from Lutheran, Wesleyan/Arminian, and Anabaptist branches of Protestantism. Adventists believe in the infallibility of Scripture and teach that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ. The 28 fundamental beliefs constitute the church's official doctrinal position.

The denomination also has a number of distinctive doctrines which differentiate it from other Christian churches. There are very few teachings held exclusively by Seventh-day Adventists. Some of their views which differ from most Christian churches include: the perpetuity of the seventh-day Sabbath, the unconsciousness of man in death, conditional immortality, an atoning ministry of Jesus Christ in the heavenly sanctuary, and an “investigative judgment” that commenced in 1844. Furthermore, a traditionally historicist approach to prophecy has led Adventists to develop a unique system of eschatological beliefs which incorporates a commandment-keeping "remnant", a universal end-time crisis revolving around the law of God, and the visible return of Jesus Christ prior to a millennial reign of believers in heaven.

Here is the official site of Seventh Day Adventist beliefs... https://www.adventist.org/beliefs/

 

[Hobie]

This is also a nice understanding of what Adventist hold.

An interesting list of basic beliefs
The following list comes from Steve Wohlberg's (an SDA pastor and theologian) website, located here.

This comes from a page entitled "We Believe..." and I think it speaks accurately of the general SDA attitude:

1. The Bible (Old and New Testaments) is fully inspired by God, and is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness (2 Tim. 3:16)

2. God created our world in six literal, 24-hour days, and rested on the seventh day (Gen. 1; 2:1-3; Exodus 20:11).

3. Satan (a fallen angel), led Eve into sin (Gen. 3:1-6; Isaiah 14:12-14; Rev. 12:9)

4. Jesus Christ is the Messiah of Israel and the Savior of the world (1 John 4:14)

5. Jesus Christ has revealed to the entire human family God's loving character (John 3:16; 14:9)

6. Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man (John 1:1-3, 14; 1 Tim. 2:5)

7. Jesus was born of a virgin and died on the cross for the sins "of the whole world" (Matthew 1:23; 1 Cor. 15:3; 1 John 2:2)

8. On the third day (Sunday morning), Jesus rose from the dead, as predicted in advance by the Scriptures (Luke 24; 1 Cor. 15:3,4)

9. God is not prejudiced against any race, color, or nation (Acts 17:26; Rom. 2:11; Rev. 7:9)

10. Eternal life is a free gift through Jesus Christ (Rom. 6:23)

11. God's love brings a sinner to repentance (Rom. 2:4)

12. God calls all to repent and believe in Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21)

13. We must be born again by the power of the Holy Spirit (John 3:6,7)

14. Believers in Jesus should be baptized by immersion (Mat. 3:16,17; Mark 16:15; Acts 2:38,41)

15. We should follow God's Word above man's traditions (Mat. 4:4; Col. 2:8)

16. We should treat everyone with love and respect (Eph. 4:25, 5:1, 9)

17. We should keep ourselves "unspotted from the world" (James 1:27)

18. We are living in "the time of the end" (Daniel 12:4,10)

19. By His grace and motivated by love, God's end-time people will keep the Ten Commandments and the faith of Jesus Christ (John 14:15; Rev. 14:12)
20. Christians should endure tribulation "to the end" (Mat. 24:13; Acts 14:22)

21. The Antichrist of prophecy is "already in the world" (1 John 2:18; 4:3)

22. The major Protestant Reformers were correct about the Antichrist.

23. Jesus Christ is the only Mediator between God and fallen humanity (1 Timothy 2:5)

24. Jesus will not return secretly, but openly and visibly for all to see (Mat. 24:26,27,30,31)

25. There will be "a resurrection of the dead, both the just and the unjust" (Acts 24:15; John 5:28,29)

26. Jesus Christ is "the seed of Abraham" (Galatians 3:16)

27. True believers in Jesus Christ - Jews and Gentiles - become part of Abraham's seed, "the Israel of God" (Gal. 3:28,29; 6:14-16)

28. Our final home is the New Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22-24; Rev. 21:1-4, 10-27)

29. All the lost will end up in "the lake of fire, which is the second death" (Revelation 20:14,15)

30. God will make a new heaven and a new earth for His people to live in, where righteousness dwells (2 Peter 3:9-14)

31. The truth of the Bible is bigger than any church or denomination.

 

[Hobie]

Here is a very good description..
The theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church largely resembles that of mainstream Protestant Christianity, and in particular evangelicalism. Most significantly, Adventists believe in the authority of Scripture and teach that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ. The 28 fundamental beliefs constitute the church's official doctrinal position.
The denomination also has a number of distinctive teachings which differentiate it from other Christian churches (although some of these beliefs are also held in other churches). Most notably, Adventists believe in the perpetuity of the Ten Commandments, the unconsciousness of man in death, conditional immortality, an atoning ministry of Jesus Christ in the heavenly sanctuary, and an “investigative judgment” that commenced in 1844. A historicist view on prophecy has led Adventists to eschatological beliefs which incorporates a commandment-keeping "remnant", a universal end-time crisis revolving around the law of God, and the visible return of Jesus Christ prior to a millennial reign of believers in heaven.


Official beliefs:

The Seventh-day Adventist denomination expresses its official teachings in a formal statement known as the 28 Fundamental Beliefs. This statement of beliefs was originally adopted by the church's General Conference in 1980, with an additional belief (number 11) being added in 2005.[1]

In addition to the fundamental beliefs, a number of "Official Statements" have been voted by the church leadership, although only some of these are doctrinal in nature. The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary is a significant expression of Adventist theological thought.

View of Scripture:

The first fundamental belief of the church states "The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of [God's] will." Adventist theologians generally reject the "verbal inspiration" position on Scripture held by many conservative evangelical Christians. They believe instead that God inspired the thoughts of the biblical authors, and that the authors then expressed these thoughts in their own words.[2] This view is popularly known as "thought inspiration".


Role of Ellen White:
Seventh-day Adventist approaches to theology are affected by the level of authority accorded the writings of Ellen White. Adventists believe that White had the spiritual gift of prophecy, but the Bible has ultimate authority. Ellen White is considered an inspired commentary on Scripture, although Scripture remains ultimately authoritative.

Developments in Seventh-day Adventist theology:
Seventh-day Adventism has moved away from some legalistic and perfectionistic tendencies which characterised its earlier decades, towards a stronger emphasis on grace. One of the main factors contributing to this theological shift were discussions which took place between Adventists and evangelicals in the 1950s, culminating in the publication in 1957 of a book entitled Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine. An earlier factor was the 1888 Minneapolis General Conference after which the church developed a much greater focus on Jesus and "righteousness by faith". While asserting that Christians are saved entirely by the grace of God, Adventists also stress obedience to the law of God as the proper response to salvation.

The preamble to the 28 Fundamentals allows for revision at a General Conference Session:
"Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as their only creed and hold certain fundamental beliefs to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures. These beliefs, as set forth here, constitute the church's understanding and expression of the teaching of Scripture. Revision of these statements may be expected at a General Conference session when the church is led by the Holy Spirit to a fuller understanding of Bible truth or finds better language in which to express the teachings of God's Holy Word."[7] (emphasis added)
The concept of "present truth" was very important to the founders of the church....

 

[Hobie]

Relation to other church's and groups:

Adventist theology is distinctly Protestant, and holds much in common with Evangelicalism in particular. However, in common with many restorationist groups, Adventists have traditionally taught that the majority of Protestant churches have failed to "complete" the Reformation by overturning the errors of Roman Catholicism (see also Great Apostasy) and "restoring" the beliefs and practices of the primitive church—including Sabbath keeping, adult baptism and conditional immortality.[8] The Adventist church is thus classified as a Restorationist sect by some religion scholars. On the same basis it may be associated with the Anabaptists and other movements of the Radical Reformation.

Adventists typically do not associate themselves with Fundamentalist Christianity:
"Theologically, Seventh-day Adventists have a number of beliefs in common with Fundamentalists, but for various reasons have never been identified with the movement... On their part, Adventists reject as unbiblical a number of teachings held by many (though not all) Fundamentalists..."[9]

Mainstream doctrine:
Seventh-day Adventists uphold the central doctrines of Protestant Christianity: the Trinity, the incarnation, the virgin birth, the substitutionary atonement, justification by faith, creation, original sin, the second coming, the resurrection of the dead, and last judgment.

In Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine (1957), Adventists outlined the core doctrines that they hold in common with mainstream Christianity.
"In Common With Conservative Christians and the Historic Protestant Creeds, We Believe..
1. That God is the Sovereign Creator, upholder, and ruler of the universe, and that He is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
2. That the Godhead, the Trinity, comprises God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
3. That the Scriptures are the inspired revelation of God to men; and that the Bible is the sole rule of faith and practice.
4. That Jesus Christ is very God, and that He has existed with the Father from all eternity.
5. That the Holy Spirit is a personal being, sharing the attributes of deity with the Father and the Son.
6. That Christ, the Word of God, became incarnate through the miraculous conception and the virgin birth; and that He lived an absolutely sinless life here on earth.
7. That the vicarious, atoning death of Jesus Christ, once for all, is all-sufficient for the redemption of a lost race.
8. That Jesus Christ arose literally and bodily from the grave.
9. That He ascended literally and bodily into heaven.
10. That He now serves as our advocate in priestly ministry and mediation before the Father.
11. That He will return in a premillennial, personal, imminent second advent.
12. That man was created sinless, but by his subsequent fall entered a state of alienation and depravity.
13. That salvation through Christ is by grace alone, through faith in His blood.
14. That entrance upon the new life in Christ is by regeneration, or the new birth.
15. That man is justified by faith.
16. That man is sanctified by the indwelling Christ through the Holy Spirit.
17. That man will be glorified at the resurrection or translation of the saints, when the Lord returns.
18. That there will be a judgment of all men.
19. That the gospel is to be preached as a witness to all the world."[16] All of these doctrines, with the exception of item 11 (regarding the premillennial return of Christ), are widely held amongst conservative or evangelical Protestants. (It should be noted that different Protestant groups hold varying views on the millennium.)
Regarding salvation, a major statement was the 1980 "The Dynamics of Salvation".[17]

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings Hobie,

Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine (1957),

I found the article on the Millennium concerning the events of 1843 very interesting. It describes that there were mainly three different participants in the Millerite movement. Two groups believed in the return of Jesus to the earth to establish the Kingdom of God upon the earth. One of these groups believed in the restoration and conversion of natural Israel and he calls this group "literalists". I am of this opinion. The other group did not agree with the restoration and conversion of Israel, but definitely considered that the 1000 years would be upon the earth with Jesus ruling on earth. William Miller on the other hand and his immediate associates believed that the faithful would be taken to heaven for the 1000 years and the earth would be scorched by fire. The SDAs seem to have followed this view, and added some explanation of what they considered happened in 1943. I find no Scriptural support for the SDA view.

I consider the following as a good example of the literal view concerning the Kingdom of God upon the earth centred in literal Jerusalem when Jesus returns.
Isaiah 2:1-4 (KJV): 1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD’S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Also Zechariah 14 could be considered as it reinforces the literal understanding of Isaiah 2:1-4 and Micah 4:1-8. Another clear testimony is the following:
Acts 3:19-21 (KJV): 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Hobie]

Greetings Hobie,

I found the article on the Millennium concerning the events of 1843 very interesting. It describes that there were mainly three different participants in the Millerite movement. Two groups believed in the return of Jesus to the earth to establish the Kingdom of God upon the earth. One of these groups believed in the restoration and conversion of natural Israel and he calls this group "literalists". I am of this opinion. The other group did not agree with the restoration and conversion of Israel, but definitely considered that the 1000 years would be upon the earth with Jesus ruling on earth. William Miller on the other hand and his immediate associates believed that the faithful would be taken to heaven for the 1000 years and the earth would be scorched by fire. The SDAs seem to have followed this view, and added some explanation of what they considered happened in 1943. I find no Scriptural support for the SDA view.

I consider the following as a good example of the literal view concerning the Kingdom of God upon the earth centred in literal Jerusalem when Jesus returns.
Isaiah 2:1-4 (KJV): 1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD’S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Also Zechariah 14 could be considered as it reinforces the literal understanding of Isaiah 2:1-4 and Micah 4:1-8. Another clear testimony is the following:
Acts 3:19-21 (KJV): 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Kind regards
Trevor

Hello Trevor,

Yes, after the millennium the New Jerusalem with the saints will come down, and the earth will be made new so its not the Jerusalem we see now, as God will create a new earth to put His kingdom.
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God” (Rev. 21:1-3, KJV).

New heaven and the new earth: the home of the redeemed

Final article in the series on the elements of Seventh-day Adventist faith.

www.ministrymagazine.org

God Bless,
Hobie

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Hobie,

Yes, after the millennium the New Jerusalem with the saints will come down, and the earth will be made new so its not the Jerusalem we see now, as God will create a new earth to put His kingdom.

The New Heaven and Earth are first mentioned in the following, and this is speaking about the Millennium, not after the Millennium,

Isaiah 65:17–20 (KJV): 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
This is not after the Millennium as there will still be mortals, and some sinners.

Role of Ellen White:
Seventh-day Adventist approaches to theology are affected by the level of authority accorded the writings of Ellen White. Adventists believe that White had the spiritual gift of prophecy, but the Bible has ultimate authority. Ellen White is considered an inspired commentary on Scripture, although Scripture remains ultimately authoritative.

I see a strong contrast to some of the predictions of EG White compared with some of the people who believed in the return of Jesus to set up his Kingdom on earth, and the restoration of Israel. EG White claims that a major controversy at the time of the end would be the Sabbath question. I find no Scripture that supports this prophecy.

One of the contemporaries of William Miller believed in the return of the Jews and the establishment of the Kingdom centred in literal Jerusalem. In his book Elpis Israel (the Hope of Israel) 1850 John Thomas wrote the following, partly based upon Ezekiel 38:

There is, then, a partial and primary restoration of Jews before the manifestation, which is to serve as the nucleus, or basis, of future operations in the restoration of the rest of the tribes after he has appeared in the kingdom. The pre-adventual colonization of Palestine will be on purely political principles; and the Jewish colonists will return in unbelief of the Messiahship of Jesus, and of the truth as it is in him. They will emigrate thither as agriculturists and traders, in the hope of ultimately establishing their commonwealth, but more immediately of getting rich in silver and gold by commerce with India, and in cattle and goods by their industry at home under the efficient protection of the British power. And this their expectation will not be deceived; for, before Gogue invades their country, it is described by the prophet, as “a land of unwalled villages, whose inhabitants are at rest, and dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates; and possessed of silver and gold, cattle and goods, dwelling in the midst of the land” Ezekiel 38:16.

He also claimed that the Rosh of Ezekiel 38:2 is Russia, and in the same book he states:
The future movements of Russia are notable signs of the times, because they are predicted in the Scriptures of truth. The Russian Autocracy in its plenitude, and on the verge of dissolution, is the Image of Nebuchadnezzar standing upon the Mountains of Israel, ready to be smitten by the Stone. When Russia makes its grand move for the building-up of its Image-empire then let the reader know that the end of all things, as at present constituted, is at hand. The long-expected, but stealthy, advent of the King of Israel will be on the eve of becoming a fact; and salvation will be to those who not only looked for it, but have trimmed their lamps by believing the gospel of the kingdom unto the obedience of faith, and the perfection thereof in “fruits meet for repentance”.

John Thomas did not have "the gift of prophecy", but he carefully studied and understood the Bible and prophecy.

Ellen G White claims that the Sabbath will be the great controversy of the last days. John Thomas claimed that Jerusalem will be the controversy. The events of 1967, the recapture of Jerusalem and the West Bank has established the problem of who owns the Land and who controls Jerusalem, and this problem will increase.
Zechariah 12:2–3 (KJV): 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Hobie]

Greetings again Hobie,

The New Heaven and Earth are first mentioned in the following, and this is speaking about the Millennium, not after the Millennium,

Isaiah 65:17–20 (KJV): 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
This is not after the Millennium as there will still be mortals, and some sinners.


I see a strong contrast to some of the predictions of EG White compared with some of the people who believed in the return of Jesus to set up his Kingdom on earth, and the restoration of Israel. EG White claims that a major controversy at the time of the end would be the Sabbath question. I find no Scripture that supports this prophecy.

One of the contemporaries of William Miller believed in the return of the Jews and the establishment of the Kingdom centred in literal Jerusalem. In his book Elpis Israel (the Hope of Israel) 1850 John Thomas wrote the following, partly based upon Ezekiel 38:

There is, then, a partial and primary restoration of Jews before the manifestation, which is to serve as the nucleus, or basis, of future operations in the restoration of the rest of the tribes after he has appeared in the kingdom. The pre-adventual colonization of Palestine will be on purely political principles; and the Jewish colonists will return in unbelief of the Messiahship of Jesus, and of the truth as it is in him. They will emigrate thither as agriculturists and traders, in the hope of ultimately establishing their commonwealth, but more immediately of getting rich in silver and gold by commerce with India, and in cattle and goods by their industry at home under the efficient protection of the British power. And this their expectation will not be deceived; for, before Gogue invades their country, it is described by the prophet, as “a land of unwalled villages, whose inhabitants are at rest, and dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates; and possessed of silver and gold, cattle and goods, dwelling in the midst of the land” Ezekiel 38:16.

He also claimed that the Rosh of Ezekiel 38:2 is Russia, and in the same book he states:
The future movements of Russia are notable signs of the times, because they are predicted in the Scriptures of truth. The Russian Autocracy in its plenitude, and on the verge of dissolution, is the Image of Nebuchadnezzar standing upon the Mountains of Israel, ready to be smitten by the Stone. When Russia makes its grand move for the building-up of its Image-empire then let the reader know that the end of all things, as at present constituted, is at hand. The long-expected, but stealthy, advent of the King of Israel will be on the eve of becoming a fact; and salvation will be to those who not only looked for it, but have trimmed their lamps by believing the gospel of the kingdom unto the obedience of faith, and the perfection thereof in “fruits meet for repentance”.

John Thomas did not have "the gift of prophecy", but he carefully studied and understood the Bible and prophecy.

Ellen G White claims that the Sabbath will be the great controversy of the last days. John Thomas claimed that Jerusalem will be the controversy. The events of 1967, the recapture of Jerusalem and the West Bank has established the problem of who owns the Land and who controls Jerusalem, and this problem will increase.
Zechariah 12:2–3 (KJV): 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Kind regards
Trevor

But as is clearly evident, there was no new heaven or new earth created in Isaiahs time, nor to present, so its at the end.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Hobie,

But as is clearly evident, there was no new heaven or new earth created in Isaiahs time, nor to present, so its at the end.

No, the New Heavens and Earth of Isaiah 26:17 will be established at the beginning of the 1000 years.
Isaiah 65:17–20 (KJV): 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
There will be no mortals and sinners after the 1000 years. They will only be immortal.

Death will be abolished at the end of the 1000 years:
1 Corinthians 15:23–28 (KJV): 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Hobie]

Greetings again Hobie,

No, the New Heavens and Earth of Isaiah 26:17 will be established at the beginning of the 1000 years.
Isaiah 65:17–20 (KJV): 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
There will be no mortals and sinners after the 1000 years. They will only be immortal.

Death will be abolished at the end of the 1000 years:
1 Corinthians 15:23–28 (KJV): 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Kind regards
Trevor

I dont thing this is the right thread to debate this, here is a better one.. https://christcentered.community.fo...-jerusalem-come-down-to-earth.904/#post-30660

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Hobie,

I dont thing this is the right thread to debate this, here is a better one..

I will let you decide whether you answer my two Posts #7 and #9 on this thread or the other, but the other thread is quoting Revelation 20 and that is talking about the End of the 1000 years. You have already referenced Isaiah 65:17 in this thread, not that other thread. Isaiah 65:17-20 is at the beginning of the 1000 years, when the New Heaven and Earth will be the result when Jesus returns to the earth to establish the Kingdom of God upon the earth. Yes there will be some "burning" or judgement at that time, but Jesus is not going to burn ALL the earth at his return. The overall effect of his return will be to bring Times of Refreshing and Restoration:
Acts 3:19–21 (KJV): 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Another aspect, and you can decide to answer this here or the other thread as it specifically relates to Revelation 20:
Revelation 20:4–6 (KJV): 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
It seems to me that according to the SDA perspective, there will be too many Chiefs and no Indians. According to the SDAs all the faithful Sabbath Keepers will go to heaven and all the rest of the inhabitants on the earth will be wiped out. How can these SDAs in heaven be Kings and Priests if there is no one to rule over as Kings and no one to teach as Priests during the 1000 years?

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Hobie]

Greetings again Hobie,

I will let you decide whether you answer my two Posts #7 and #9 on this thread or the other, but the other thread is quoting Revelation 20 and that is talking about the End of the 1000 years. You have already referenced Isaiah 65:17 in this thread, not that other thread. Isaiah 65:17-20 is at the beginning of the 1000 years, when the New Heaven and Earth will be the result when Jesus returns to the earth to establish the Kingdom of God upon the earth. Yes there will be some "burning" or judgement at that time, but Jesus is not going to burn ALL the earth at his return. The overall effect of his return will be to bring Times of Refreshing and Restoration:
Acts 3:19–21 (KJV): 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Another aspect, and you can decide to answer this here or the other thread as it specifically relates to Revelation 20:
Revelation 20:4–6 (KJV): 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
It seems to me that according to the SDA perspective, there will be too many Chiefs and no Indians. According to the SDAs all the faithful Sabbath Keepers will go to heaven and all the rest of the inhabitants on the earth will be wiped out. How can these SDAs in heaven be Kings and Priests if there is no one to rule over as Kings and no one to teach as Priests during the 1000 years?

Kind regards
Trevor

I think you dont really want answers, you seem intent on something else, so I will try again to set up a discussion on the questions and go over scripture on it. Here is the discussion.. Does the Lord take us to heaven and we reign with Him

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Hobie,

I think you dont really want answers, you seem intent on something else, so I will try again to set up a discussion on the questions and go over scripture on it. Here is the discussion.. Does the Lord take us to heaven and we reign with Him

I am not interested in participating in that thread as your OP ignores what I have clearly stated here. Your OP is very vague and I do not want to waste my time. You seem to be avoiding the obvious. I think you do not want to answer mainly because the SDA position is untenable.

On another issue the local SDAs placed a full page advert in my regional newspaper about the impending Sunday Sabbath Law. They invited a response for further information and they sent me EG White's "The Great Controversy". In the chapter ""The Time of Trouble" she says on page 392 "... a decree will finally be issued against those who hallow the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, denouncing them as deserving of the severest punishment and giving the people liberty, after a certain time, to put them to death." To cut a long story short, many, many pages later in fact, the SDAs are delivered and taken to heaven and all the rest are destroyed by fire and the earth lays desolate for 1000 years. Here is the Great Controversy of the Last Days.

I will let you patiently wait to see if EG White is a true prophet and my suggestion is that this will be the Second Great Disappointment. Just as a large group of the Millerites went to a mountain dressed in white, waiting to be taken to heaven in 1843, while the earth was to be supposedly burnt, so EG White's prophecy will fail. The local nice brick SDA Church in the five suburbs where I live could possibly accommodate say 50-100, and in this area we have a number of other Churches. The two local Roman Catholic Churches or the Church of England or the Methodists or Baptists are not likely to proclaim a Sunday Sabbath as for example the RCs have their Masses late Saturday Night, and very early Sunday morning so that the sport, shopping and beach going and other activities can be accomplished. Similarly about 20 old C of Es have an 8-9am service (extremely poor attendance and no young people). To suggest that the religious or civil authorities would be concerned when the SDAs worship seems ludicrous. So let us wait and see if EG White is a true prophet. Perhaps it would be wiser to make that decision now.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Hobie]

Greetings again Hobie,

I am not interested in participating in that thread as your OP ignores what I have clearly stated here. Your OP is very vague and I do not want to waste my time. You seem to be avoiding the obvious. I think you do not want to answer mainly because the SDA position is untenable.

On another issue the local SDAs placed a full page advert in my regional newspaper about the impending Sunday Sabbath Law. They invited a response for further information and they sent me EG White's "The Great Controversy". In the chapter ""The Time of Trouble" she says on page 392 "... a decree will finally be issued against those who hallow the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, denouncing them as deserving of the severest punishment and giving the people liberty, after a certain time, to put them to death." To cut a long story short, many, many pages later in fact, the SDAs are delivered and taken to heaven and all the rest are destroyed by fire and the earth lays desolate for 1000 years. Here is the Great Controversy of the Last Days.

I will let you patiently wait to see if EG White is a true prophet and my suggestion is that this will be the Second Great Disappointment. Just as a large group of the Millerites went to a mountain dressed in white, waiting to be taken to heaven in 1843, while the earth was to be supposedly burnt, so EG White's prophecy will fail. The local nice brick SDA Church in the five suburbs where I live could possibly accommodate say 50-100, and in this area we have a number of other Churches. The two local Roman Catholic Churches or the Church of England or the Methodists or Baptists are not likely to proclaim a Sunday Sabbath as for example the RCs have their Masses late Saturday Night, and very early Sunday morning so that the sport, shopping and beach going and other activities can be accomplished. Similarly about 20 old C of Es have an 8-9am service (extremely poor attendance and no young people). To suggest that the religious or civil authorities would be concerned when the SDAs worship seems ludicrous. So let us wait and see if EG White is a true prophet. Perhaps it would be wiser to make that decision now.

Kind regards
Trevor

The Pharisees also claimed they just wanted answers, but it was clear they had another intent, and even Peter was used by darkness. We need to give light not bring darkness and cover it.

 

[Fred]

Seventh-day Adventists

According to Seventh-day Adventists, what is the specific time that all Christians everywhere on the earth are to obey the 7th day Sabbath?

 

[Hobie]

According to Seventh-day Adventists, what is the specific time that all Christians everywhere on the earth are to obey the 7th day Sabbath?

What did the Creator set and bless and sanctify at the beginning, I think that is clear.

 

[Fred]

What did the Creator set and bless and sanctify at the beginning, I think that is clear.

But you failed to make it clear.

 

[Mr GLee]

According to Seventh-day Adventists, what is the specific time that all Christians everywhere on the earth are to obey the 7th day Sabbath?

Big difference between obey the 7th day eternal rest called the Sabbath. Seven represents the perfect or complete rest.

Sabbath a non-time sensitive word changed by some to a time sensitive.

It not the day. . it's the rest. We rest 24 \7 anytime we hear his voice and not harden our heart as those yoked with Christ. They did not mix the eternal unseen things of Gods faith with that seen the temporal no faith. No mix no gospel (Hebrews 4 )

 

[Hobie]

Big difference between obey the 7th day eternal rest called the Sabbath. Seven represents the perfect or complete rest.

Sabbath a non-time sensitive word changed by some to a time sensitive.

It not the day. . it's the rest. We rest 24 \7 anytime we hear his voice and not harden our heart as those yoked with Christ. They did not mix the eternal unseen things of Gods faith with that seen the temporal no faith. No mix no gospel (Hebrews 4 )

Well, God is very specific, and clearly He set a day...
Genesis 2:2
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[Mr GLee]

Well, God is very specific, and clearly He set a day...
Genesis 2:2
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Seven complete, eternal, lacking nothing.

Sabbath is not a time sensitive word. It simply means rest with no other meaning added .

Makes me wonder why they did not use the English translation rest. . giving one obscure "sabbath" unfamiliar

Yes, he set a day to represent today 24\7 if we hear his voic e and do not harden our hearts Yoked with Christ the burden is made lighter with a living hope beyond the grace. New creatures new Spirit a promise of a new incorruptible body.

It would seem you are speaking of the ceremonial rest as a fast. Remember ceremonial laws are parables used a sign to the unbelieving world.

The spiritual gospel understanding is hidden from them. in a hope they might be drawn to the word of God the source faith. The understanding revealed to the believers. Believers have prophecy. We do not serve shadows of the eternal.

Not a sign to themselves (I did it, it proves it) ceremonial shadows of the unseen thing of God's faith His belief. as it is written