Two Gospels? or Equipped with the Gospel.

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I know there is just one Gospel but in 1Cor 15:1-4 we see the Gospel laid out in shorthand whereas in Romans 1:16-5:21we see the Gospel
explained, including the why and how.
We had best get a good grounding in the Romans passages before we attempt the shorter Corinthian passage, at least we'll be better equipped than a John 3:16 or a "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life!" ditty.

I would also suggest being grounded in Gen chaps 1-3

 

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I know there is just one Gospel but in 1Cor 15:1-4 we see the Gospel laid out in shorthand whereas in Romans 1:16-5:21we see the Gospel
explained, including the why and how.
We had best get a good grounding in the Romans passages before we attempt the shorter Corinthian passage, at least we'll be better equipped than a John 3:16 or a "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life!" ditty.

I would also suggest being grounded in Gen chaps 1-3

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14), and which he commissioned his disciples to bring to the nations (Matthew 28:16-20).

In Acts 2:38, Peter called for his audience to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, and in Romans 15:18-19, Paul fulfilled the Gospel by brining Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed, so their Gospels were on the same page in regard to teaching repentance from sin. Furthermore, Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8, and 1 Peter 4:17 all speak against those who do not obey the Gospel.

In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and the way to believe the Gospel of the Kingdom (Acts 21:20).

Moreover, Jesus spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom is fulfilling the promise by blessing us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which is the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8), which he spread to Gentiles in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5).

 

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In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14), and which he commissioned his disciples to bring to the nations (Matthew 28:16-20).

In Acts 2:38, Peter called for his audience to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, and in Romans 15:18-19, Paul fulfilled the Gospel by brining Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed, so their Gospels were on the same page in regard to teaching repentance from sin. Furthermore, Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8, and 1 Peter 4:17 all speak against those who do not obey the Gospel.

In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and the way to believe the Gospel of the Kingdom (Acts 21:20).

Moreover, Jesus spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom is fulfilling the promise by blessing us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which is the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8), which he spread to Gentiles in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5).

It sure would have been nice if you had addressed my point, or maybe I missed it somewhere?

 

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It sure would have been nice if you had addressed my point, or maybe I missed it somewhere?

I thought that speaking about what the one Gospel is and what it means to believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 was in accordance with the OP.

 

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I thought that speaking about what the one Gospel is and what it means to believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 was in accordance with the OP.

Actually, I was attempting to differentiate between the two passages. Apparently, I failed

 

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I thought that speaking about what the one Gospel is and what it means to believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 was in accordance with the OP.

Looking back over your reply, I noticed this...

"In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and the way to believe the Gospel of the Kingdom (Acts 21:20)."

What is bolded and especially, 'obedience to the God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross'.

I always took this in opposite fashion, "believing what Jesus accomplished at the cross (including His obedience in our stead) is the way to pleasing God. What you put forth would not go well with Paul in Romans or Galatians.

 

[Soyeong]

Looking back over your reply, I noticed this...

"In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and the way to believe the Gospel of the Kingdom (Acts 21:20)."

What is bolded and especially, 'obedience to the God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross'.

I always took this in opposite fashion, "believing what Jesus accomplished at the cross (including His obedience in our stead) is the way to pleasing God.

In Titus 2:11-13, it describes our salvation as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so I think it is clearly speaking about works that we are being trained by grace to do, not about Jesus doing those works in our stead. Likewise, Titus 2:14 says that Jesus gave himself to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so I don't see how that is speaking about him doing good works in our stead. Rather, I see the Jews who were coming to faith in Acts 21:20 who were becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law as being in accordance with Titus 2:14. Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if were were only saved from the penalty for sin while we continued to live in sin in transgression of God's law, so we also need to be saved from continuing to live in sin by being trained by grace to obey it. Someone returning to the lawlessness that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from is what would be rejecting what he accomplished through the cross.

What you put forth would not go well with Paul in Romans or Galatians.

At one point in my life I would have agreed with you, but now I see what I said as being in accordance with those books. I think the key to correctly understanding those books is recognizing that Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-11, he contrasted a law that our faith upholds with a law that is not of faith. Paul was a servant of God, so it shouldn't make sense to interpret him as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, especially when he delighted in obeying the Law of God (Romans 7:22). It makes even less sense for someone to interpret Paul as speaking against obeying what God has commanded and then think that they should follow Paul rather than God, but I think that Paul never spoke against obeying anything that God has commanded.

 

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renounce doing what is ungodly, so I think it is clearly speaking about works that we are being trained by grace to do, not about Jesus doing those works in our stead. Likewise, Titus 2:14 says that Jesus gave himself to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so I don't see how that is speaking about him doing good works in our stead. Rather, I see the Jews who were coming to faith in Acts 21:20 who were becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law as being in accordance with Titus 2:14. Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if were were only saved from the penalty for sin while we continued to live in sin in transgression of God's law, so we also need to be saved from continuing to live in sin by being trained by grace to obey it. Someone returning to the lawlessness that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from is what would be rejecting what he accomplished through the cross.

Both Jews and Gentiles were condemned and locked under judgment, so there was no hope in keeping the law as ALL fell short in that department.

Galatians 3:13 ESV
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us-for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"-

James 2:10 ESV
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

At one point in my life I would have agreed with you, but now I see what I said as being in accordance with those books. I think the key to correctly understanding those books is recognizing that Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-11, he contrasted a law that our faith upholds with a law that is not of faith. Paul was a servant of God, so it shouldn't make sense to interpret him as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, especially when he delighted in obeying the Law of God (Romans 7:22). It makes even less sense for someone to interpret Paul as speaking against obeying what God has commanded and then think that they should follow Paul rather than God, but I think that Paul never spoke against obeying anything that God has commanded.

You can slice the law any way you'd like, but there is only ONE law keeper pleasing to God, apart from which we all stand condemned. That's the Gospel that lifts high His Son.

 

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Both Jews and Gentiles were condemned and locked under judgment, so there was no hope in keeping the law as ALL fell short in that department.

Galatians 3:13 ESV
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us-for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"-

James 2:10 ESV
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

Earthly fathers give instructions to their children for their own good in order to be a blessing to then not in order to curse them and it is that much more true for our Heavenly Father (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13). In Deuteronomy 28, it describes the blessing of choosing to live in obedience to God's law and the curse of choosing to live lawlessly, so being redeemed from the curse of the law is being set free from lawlessness so that we can enjoy the blessed of getting to live in obedience to it. In Titus 2:14, it does say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from the law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a choice and as a possibility, not as the need for perfect obedience to avoid being cursed.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they needed to have perfect obedience because that would have already been too late and he was not discouraging them from trying to keep the law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to obey God's law more consistently.

You can slice the law any way you'd like, but there is only ONE law keeper pleasing to God, apart from which we all stand condemned. That's the Gospel that lifts high His Son.

There are examples of people who kept God's law, such as in Joshua 22:1-3 or Luke 1:5-6. Likewise, in Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments, and in Revelation 22:14, those who kept God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life, so it does not require perfect obedience to be pleasing to God.

 

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Earthly fathers give instructions to their children for their own good in order to be a blessing to then not in order to curse them and it is that much more true for our Heavenly Father (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13). In Deuteronomy 28, it describes the blessing of choosing to live in obedience to God's law and the curse of choosing to live lawlessly, so being redeemed from the curse of the law is being set free from lawlessness so that we can enjoy the blessed of getting to live in obedience to it. In Titus 2:14, it does say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from the law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a choice and as a possibility, not as the need for perfect obedience to avoid being cursed.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they needed to have perfect obedience because that would have already been too late and he was not discouraging them from trying to keep the law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to obey God's law more consistently.

The OP has been framed in terms of the Gospel to the unsaved; you are making references about the sanctification of the saved.
This Forum is under the heading of 'evangelism'.

There are examples of people who kept God's law, such as in Joshua 22:1-3 or Luke 1:5-6. Likewise, in Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments, and in Revelation 22:14, those who kept God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life, so it does not require perfect obedience to be pleasing to God.

If they kept the law and God's commandments, why would they need a Savior? Scriptures say 'none doeth good, no, not one'. We are counted as righteous through the imputation of Christ's righteousness when we first believe in Jesus.