Total Depravity. Was it a misnomer?

[GeneZ]

No Sir, here's why. Your universalistic view is flawed.​

Where did I say all men will ultimately be saved? I did not.

I said all men were placed into position by God's justice of the Cross to be saved.
No one would be refused if they turn to Christ.

Universalism teaches that in the end all men will be saved.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Where did I say all men will ultimately be saved? I did not.

I said all men were placed into position by God's justice of the Cross to be saved.
No one would be refused if they turn to Christ.

Universalism teaches that in the end all men will be saved.

Can you define these comments further?

 

[GeneZ]

Can you define these comments further?

Universalism alleges that all people in the Lake of Fire will ultimately someday be forgiven by God.

Yet? That can not be. For it says the beast and his prophet will be in the Lake of Fire forever and ever.

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, ​

where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented ​

day and night for ever and ever." Revelation 20:10​

Nope.. They ain't coming back! The beast and the false prophet will be men never to be saved.
Its too late. In spite of all they did they could have been saved if the repented before they died.

grace and peace .....................

 

[Ladodgers6]

Universalism alleges that all people in the Lake of Fire will ultimately someday be forgiven by God.

Yet? That can not be. For it says the beast and his prophet will be in the Lake of Fire forever and ever.

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, ​

where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented ​

day and night for ever and ever." Revelation 20:10​

Nope.. They ain't coming back! The beast and the false prophet will be men never to be saved.
Its too late. In spite of all they did they could have been saved if the repented before they died.

grace and peace .....................

Huh????????????????

 

[GeneZ]

Huh????????????????

Well???

You did start with this...

No Sir, here's why. Your universalistic view is flawed.

Do you know what universalism theology teaches?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_universalism

Were you referring to something else?

 

[Ladodgers6]

Well???

You did start with this...



Do you know what universalism theology teaches?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_universalism

Were you referring to something else?

Entirely, the classical view of universalism is that everybody will be saved.

 

[GeneZ]

Entirely, the classical view of universalism is that everybody will be saved.

It may have appeared as such to you because all sins were paid for.

Just because someone has supplied everyone a vaccine for a condition, does not mean everyone will be wanting to take it.
Especially when they dislike and can not trust the doctor.

In effect.. When it comes to man's personal sins? Jesus provided all the vaccine needed for everyone. That does not mean they will all accept.

 

[Ladodgers6]

It may have appeared as such to you because all sins were paid for.

Just because someone has supplied everyone a vaccine for a condition, does not mean everyone will be wanting to take it.
Especially when they dislike and can not trust the doctor.

In effect.. When it comes to man's personal sins? Jesus provided all the vaccine needed for everyone. That does not mean they will all accept.

Here's my question, does everyone know about their terminal illness? And that there's a cure for it? If so, how do they know about the terminal illness in your paradigm, and why would they not accept the cure?

Now you say they don't trust the Doctor or in Scripture the Great Physician if he came to heal the sick? And why do others trust him? What is the XFactor that makes some trust in him, and not others?

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 9:18-24 ESV / 17 helpful votes​

So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, ..



Interpretation ?

 

[brightfame52]

I will give you a real answer.

"Yes or No" questions are usually used to trap someone to give excuse to attack. It can be rude.

Here is my answer that may anger you. That is, if your thinking is apostate in regards to the atonement.

He made salvation COMPLETE for all men.

1 John 2:2​

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours ​

but also for the sins of the whole world."​

Does that not tell you that every man's sins were paid for? Yes... or No?
That means everyone going to Hell had his sins paid for.

Matter of fact.. No unbeliever's sins will be mentioned at the final judgment.

Did that answer your question? Yes or No?

In Christ .................

Nothing here about Jesus Christ only making Salvation available. Thats a Christ dishonoring notion, He only made Salvation available.

 

[brightfame52]

Do unbelievers reject the salvation the Lord provided them on the Cross?

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, ​

who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." 1 Timothy 4:10​

He is the Savior of even those who will reject his "offer." Its available to all.

If you believe God needs to force us to believe, as some do? You will have a problem with what I stated.

You said Christ only made Salvation available, no scripture teaches that, thats a false gospel message

 

[Ritajanice]

In effect.. When it comes to man's personal sins? Jesus provided all the vaccine needed for everyone. That does not mean they will all accept.

How does one accept being “ birthed in the Spirit “..?

For without the birth, none will see the Kingdom of God.

So, it’s pretty simple to understand, if one has been birthed....does God’s word say....he will birth everyone in the Spirit?

If it does please show me?..

 

[brightfame52]

Folks when people say Christ merely made salvation available, that means He made it only possible, then who makes it a reality ?

 

[Ladodgers6]

Romans 9:18-24 ESV / 17 helpful votes​

So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, ..



Interpretation ?

Precisely! See, what people do not want to believe, is that it's all by God's Grace, Mercy, and Will.

 

[Ritajanice]

Folks when people say Christ merely made salvation available, that means He made it only possible, then who makes it a reality ?

God makes it a reality...only it’s a supernatural reality.....not by human effort or by their own will...by God’s will are we Born Again...imo/ belief.

 

[Ritajanice]

Precisely! See, what people do not want to believe, is that it's all by God's Grace, Mercy, and Will.

Of course it is... as we well know.....we have the truth in our hearts/ Spirit.

So, my question is, why aren’t others seeing the truth?

 

[brightfame52]

God makes it a reality...only it’s a supernatural reality.....not by human effort or by their own will...by God’s will are we Born Again...imo/ belief.

Right Christ makes Salvation a reality, thats why He is the Saviour !

 

[Ritajanice]

Right Christ makes Salvation a reality, thats why He is the Saviour !

Of course he is our Saviour..

We can’t decide to save ourselves....where’s all this thinking coming from?

 

[Ladodgers6]

Precisely! See, what people do not want to believe, is that it's all by God's Grace, Mercy, and Will.

Do me a favor and Read Luther and Calvin commentary on this verse. I believe you can google it.

 

[Ritajanice]

Do me a favor and Read Luther and Calvin commentary on this verse. I believe you can google it.

Ok, will do..