The five points of Arminianism

[Carbon]

Regeneration occurs at the moment a person is born again but God uses calling and drawing first and that is when we come to believe which swiftly results in salvation. Anybody can believe in the Gospel and what the Bible teaches without being truly saved. It takes the work of God to produce salvation.

Being born again is regeneration.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Being born again is regeneration.

Yep. They are synonymous but I have noticed some people get them mixed up.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Being born again is regeneration.

By the way, how do you manage to spend a lot of time managing this board and providing responses unless you are retired or something? I would like to be able to spend more time here but other things grab my attention and take up my time.

 

[Carbon]

By the way, how do you manage to spend a lot of time managing this board and providing responses unless you are retired or something? I would like to be able to spend more time here but other things grab my attention and take up my time.

Im thankful to have a good team for one. And I like you, am a believer and enjoy discussing theology when I can.
I’m not retired, so it has to be the something ….

If God is willing it will continue.

 

[JIM]

You are welcome bud

Right back atcha Dude.

 

[Carbon]

Right back atcha Dude.

I think you need a hug.

 

[atpollard]

But God didn't say it, and it is not true. It is not that you do not fully understand; rather it is that you are wrong at the most basic element.

Are you honestly claiming no knowledge of any verses that speak of the "Glory of God" or "God's Glory" (your translation may use the word "Lord" or "LORD" in place of "God")?
And none of those verses speak about: the 'saved', the damned, His 'Plans', or 'all things'?

[I just want to verify that I understand your claim and that my claim has been correctly understood.]

 

[JIM]

I think you need a hug.

Perhaps that is a need of yours instead?

 

[Carbon]

Perhaps that is a need of yours instead?

You offering me a hug? Thanks.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Im thankful to have a good team for one. And I like you, am a believer and enjoy discussing theology when I can.
I’m not retired, so it has to be the something ….

If God is willing it will continue.

And I presume this website was originally made for those of us in the Reformed persuasion? I don't think the Forum banner does justice to that. It gives the impression this website is for every type of heretic and cult!

 

[Carbon]

And I presume this website was originally made for those of us in the Reformed persuasion? I don't think the Forum banner does justice to that. It gives the impression this website is for every type of heretic and cult!

On just about every forum there will be heretics and cults, many enjoy coming and creating problems. How does “Christ centered” not do justice to the reformed? How does that name give that impression? I have no idea why you would think such.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

On just about every forum there will be heretics and cults, many enjoy coming and creating problems. How does “Christ centered” not do justice to the reformed? How does that name give that impression? I have no idea why you would think such.

Because everyone will claim their position is "Christ centered". It makes sense to us, but to everybody else it looks the same.

 

[Red Baker]

The lie is your description of "Free Willers" teaching. I have never heard any "Free Willer" teach that faith is the sinner's gift to God or that it is man's contribution to salvation.

It is true indeed that "The lost need the Spirits “assistance” but the lost do not need to be regenerated by the Spirit before they can believe." That you deny that tells me that you do not believe the Spirit is capable of giving assistance to the lost, or even worse, you believe the Spirit is capable of giving such assistance but simply decides not to.

Jim you are so wrong on your whole soteriology understanding. I want to jump in, but not without Carbon's approval since this is basically between you two. If he gives me the green light, I'll post and address every weak scenario presented by you. RB

 

[JIM]

Jim you are so wrong on your whole soteriology understanding. I want to jump in, but not without Carbon's approval since this is basically between you two. If he gives me the green light, I'll post and address every weak scenario presented by you. RB

You have my permission. But since this seems to be an obviously Calvinist oriented forum, I think I will simply bow out. I haven't the time nor the energy to take everyone on. You know how much I love you as a brother in Christ, but I do really detest the false soteriology that you and most here seem to adhere to. So go ahead and say what you want, but you will be only speaking to the choir.

I may catch up with you somewhere else, Red. Till then, I will bid you ado.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

You have my permission. But since this seems to be an obviously Calvinist oriented forum, I think I will simply bow out. I haven't the time nor the energy to take everyone on. You know how much I love you as a brother in Christ, but I do really detest the false soteriology that you and most here seem to adhere to. So go ahead and say what you want, but you will be only speaking to the choir.

I may catch up with you somewhere else, Red. Till then, I will bid you ado.

I believe "JIM" came here for a reason.

 

[Carbon]

Jim you are so wrong on your whole soteriology understanding. I want to jump in, but not without Carbon's approval since this is basically between you two. If he gives me the green light, I'll post and address every weak scenario presented by you. RB

Go right ahead.

 

[Carbon]

I believe "JIM" came here for a reason.

Well at least he facing the facts. Running off may be the best choice for him.

 

[makesends]

If that were true, then God, being the just and loving being He is, would simply give that gift of His Spirit to all. But that isn't true. The gift of God is salvation that is by grace through faith.

If what you say there were true, then God, being the just and loving being He is, would simply give the gift of eternal life to all. Are you a Universalist? These statements people make, of what God would do IF... amazing not only that they claim to know what God would do, but worse, in a way, to claim to know what God's love and justice is.

We pretty much know what God's love and justice are, enough that we are without excuse, but to claim to know what God would do by his love and justice... You may as well be a Universalist.

 

[Arial]

Regeneration occurs at the moment a person is born again but God uses calling and drawing first and that is when we come to believe which swiftly results in salvation. Anybody can believe in the Gospel and what the Bible teaches without being truly saved. It takes the work of God to produce salvation.

?? Regeneration is being born again. (John 3) Believing is salvation. Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." The work of God regenerates and gives faith (believing). Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[makesends]

That is ALWAYS a dangerous road to tread.

The "logical consequence" of TULIP is Hyper-Calvinism (makes perfect "logical sense") ... it is just Biblicaly untrue so we 'Doctrine of Grace folk' (aka. "Calvinists") do NOT believe the "logical consequence" of TULIP. We owe our opponent the same grace to say what they believe rasther than have their beliefs dictated to them by those that disagree with those beliefs.

I get your point, though I disagree that Hyper-Calvinism makes perfect "logical sense", via TULIP. But I'm glad you made the point. Thank you.