THE ANGELS THAT SINNED

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4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. 2 Peter 2:4.

The number of angels that sinned are one-third.

They are ALL "cast to hell, and delivered in chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment."

ALL the angels that sinned.

This means that any and all evil in the world is the result of the sinful nature in mankind.
And it is all-encompassing:

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only.
Gen. 6:5.

This explains a great deal, such as the sons of God who married the daughters of men were human, those from the Covenant line of Seth and the ungodly line of men and women who disobeyed the LORD.

Jesus seeing Satan fall as lightning was at the time God cast them to hell reserved in chains of darkness awaiting the judgment.

There is no Satan except as the word is used: adjective and noun - "adversary."

 

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This explains a great deal, such as the sons of God who married the daughters of men were human, those from the Covenant line of Seth and the ungodly line of men and women who disobeyed the LORD.

I disagree with this one statement. I hope that's OK.

Who were the sons of God?
In the book of Job we read...Job 1:6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

The book of Job in chapter 38 goes on to say:
6 On what were its foundations set,
or who laid its cornerstone,

7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

There were some "sons of God" (angels) that sinned...which left their first estate and married the daughters of men.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

The offspring of these fallen angels were called Nephilim. The giants.

 

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I disagree with this one statement. I hope that's OK.

Who were the sons of God?
In the book of Job we read...Job 1:6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Humans in Covenant with God came to present themselves to the LORD.
Satan ("adversary") came with them.
Had to be a human adversary or someone with adversarial intentions towards God.
Whatever happen to Job Scripture says that it was God that was his antagonist, He caused the thefts of all he possessed and caused boils upon his person.

3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. Job 2:3.

The book of Job in chapter 38 goes on to say:
6 On what were its foundations set,
or who laid its cornerstone,

7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Who were the morning stars that sang?
Angels of God.
Who are the sons of God that shouted for joy.
Humans.

There were some "sons of God" (angels) that sinned...which left their first estate and married the daughters of men.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
The offspring of these fallen angels were called Nephilim. The giants.

Does it really say "sons of God" that left their first estate? Let's see.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 5–6.

Peter and Jude are on the same page with regard to what happen to the angels that sinned, and that includes all of them.

The word "nephal/nephalim" means "tyrants" and "bullies."
And when a Covenant member is unequally yoked with a non-Covenant person in that day and age their offspring grew up without any respect for law, Covenant, or restriction and became bullies and tyrants.
They were lawless.

 

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4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. 2 Peter 2:4.

The number of angels that sinned are one-third.

They are ALL "cast to hell, and delivered in chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment."

ALL the angels that sinned.

This means that any and all evil in the world is the result of the sinful nature in mankind.
And it is all-encompassing:

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only.
Gen. 6:5.

This explains a great deal, such as the sons of God who married the daughters of men were human, those from the Covenant line of Seth and the ungodly line of men and women who disobeyed the LORD.

Jesus seeing Satan fall as lightning was at the time God cast them to hell reserved in chains of darkness awaiting the judgment.

There is no Satan except as the word is used: adjective and noun - "adversary."

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you are saying. "...no Satan except as the word is used: adjective and noun - "adversary."? Do you mean there that "Satan" is only a word describing a category of beings? I don't see how you can deny that the individual angel Lucifer rebelled, and is thereafter called many things, including Satan, and that myriads of angels rebelled with him. So I'm guessing you don't deny that there is a fallen angel named Satan.

 

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Humans in Covenant with God came to present themselves to the LORD.

No, it was speaking of angels.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you are saying. "...no Satan except as the word is used: adjective and noun - "adversary."? Do you mean there that "Satan" is only a word describing a category of beings? I don't see how you can deny that the individual angel Lucifer rebelled, and is thereafter called many things, including Satan, and that myriads of angels rebelled with him. So I'm guessing you don't deny that there is a fallen angel named Satan.

No, there is a fallen angel named "Lucifer."
Satan is a characteristic of "Lucifer" and can also be applied to man - saved and unsaved.
Satan means "adversary." All the angels that sinned are Satan for in their sin they are an adversary of God.
As far as a proper name, no, there is no angel named Satan. It is only a characteristic of the one named angel just like "devil" meaning "traducer" or false accuser," or "one that impugns the character of another," such as what Judas did when he went to the religious leaders.

 

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No, it was speaking of angels.

How can that be when ALL the angels that sinned are reserved in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.
Did they somehow pick the lock, receive pardon, bailed out, or escaped?
The Scripture is clear. It says ALL THE ANGELS THAT SINNED.
If you can get past that Scripture, then I'll be the first to say there are angels hanging around the world doing dastardly deeds in opposition to God.
I'd even agree that the sons of God in Genesis 6 speaks of angels, but it can't and it doesn't.
ALL the angels that sinned are reserved in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.
But you can't get past that Scripture.

 

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How can that be when ALL the angels that sinned are reserved in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.
Did they somehow pick the lock, receive pardon, bailed out, or escaped?
The Scripture is clear. It says ALL THE ANGELS THAT SINNED.
If you can get past that Scripture, then I'll be the first to say there are angels hanging around the world doing dastardly deeds in opposition to God.
I'd even agree that the sons of God in Genesis 6 speaks of angels, but it can't and it doesn't.
ALL the angels that sinned are reserved in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.
But you can't get past that Scripture.

Are you saying there are no demons working on earth currently, or just back then, or what are you saying? What about the devil himself?

 

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How can that be when ALL the angels that sinned are reserved in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.

Not true....Satan is still running around like a roaring lion.

Did they somehow pick the lock, receive pardon, bailed out, or escaped?
The Scripture is clear. It says ALL THE ANGELS THAT SINNED.
If you can get past that Scripture, then I'll be the first to say there are angels hanging around the world doing dastardly deeds in opposition to God.
I'd even agree that the sons of God in Genesis 6 speaks of angels, but it can't and it doesn't.
ALL the angels that sinned are reserved in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.

It's talking abot a certain group of angels. The angels that left their first estate and mated with humans.

But you can't get past that Scripture.

 

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Are you saying there are no demons working on earth currently, or just back then, or what are you saying? What about the devil himself?

I believe demons are attitudes, good and evil.
Lucifer had an evil attitude when He wanted to ascend into heaven and left his first estate.
Cain had an evil attitude when responding to God, he said, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
If angels are all reserved in chains of darkness, then all we gave to deal with in this existence is the sin nature in man.
It is comparable to the sin nature in the angels that sinned.

 

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Not true....Satan is still running around like a roaring lion.

So, Peter and Jude are lying?
The Scripture is lying?
CrowCross knows the truth?

It's talking abot a certain group of angels. The angels that left their first estate and mated with humans.

Let's see if there is distinction:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. 2 Pet. 2:4.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 6.

Same angels.
Leaving the ministry God ordained for these angels is sin before God. Their act meant they didn't want to be rules by God.
It's the same as a backslider Christian who doesn't want to pastor or go to church because his sin is ruling their lives for a time.
But there is no atonement offered to the angels that sinned.

You seem to not want to accept the Word of God upon which our doctrine and faith in God is founded and rests.
Making things up when you want will lead you into false doctrine and understanding of God who is revealed in Scripture.
By saying "the angels that sinned" that means ALL the angels that sinned because an angel that didn't sin would be among God's Elect angels.
So, let's bring your understanding of Scripture in line with Scripture.

 

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I believe demons are attitudes, good and evil.
Lucifer had an evil attitude when He wanted to ascend into heaven and left his first estate.
Cain had an evil attitude when responding to God, he said, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
If angels are all reserved in chains of darkness, then all we gave to deal with in this existence is the sin nature in man.
It is comparable to the sin nature in the angels that sinned.

So. a bunch of "attitude" jumped out of the crazy guy and went into the pigs?

 

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So. a bunch of "attitude" jumped out of the crazy guy and went into the pigs?

Ever walk into a room and feel a heaviness or oppression?
Someone has some strong attitudes exuding from them. Look upon the countenance to find the one who is disturbed.
And the word "in" can also be translated as "among" or "with-in."

The first thing Jesus dealt with was the attitudes of the oppressed.

15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: Mk 5:15.

This statement is significant.
It implies the demonic was NOT in his right mind when he met with Jesus.

 

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It implies the demonic was NOT in his right mind when he met with Jesus.

He was contrlled by the demons.

 

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I believe demons are attitudes, good and evil.
Lucifer had an evil attitude when He wanted to ascend into heaven and left his first estate.
Cain had an evil attitude when responding to God, he said, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
If angels are all reserved in chains of darkness, then all we gave to deal with in this existence is the sin nature in man.
It is comparable to the sin nature in the angels that sinned.

Do you think there were demons during Jesus' ministry on earth? I mean, as opposed to just, "attitudes, good and evil"?

 

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He was contrlled by the demons.

And the demons were his evil attitudes.
Christ was dealing with the man.
Tell me, what is the Hebrew word transliterated from the Greek for "demon?"
What's the Hebrew or Chaldee equivalent?
You won't find it.
But you will find the word for attitudes which transliterated into Greek there was no Greek word. They had to coin a new word.

 

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And the demons were his evil attitudes.
Christ was dealing with the man.
Tell me, what is the Hebrew word transliterated from the Greek for "demon?"
What's the Hebrew or Chaldee equivalent?
You won't find it.
But you will find the word for attitudes which transliterated into Greek there was no Greek word. They had to coin a new word.

From the fallen angels some married the daughters of men....left their first estate. They are the demons in the prison.

As to demons...many believe demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

 

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From the fallen angels some married the daughters of men....left their first estate. They are the demons in the prison.

As to demons...many believe demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

This confinement occurred before God created man.
Yes, I know what many believe about demons and angels.
But let’s take the Scripture literally and as written.
Let’s not add to the Bible and let us be honest with the Scripture.

 

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This confinement occurred before God created man.
Yes, I know what many believe about demons and angels.
But let’s take the Scripture literally and as written.
Let’s not add to the Bible and let us be honest with the Scripture.

"This confinement occurred before God created man. "......where does the bible say this? Remember you said, "lets not add to the bible".

 

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"This confinement occurred before God created man. "......where does the bible say this? Remember you said, "lets not add to the bible".

I put the angelic rebellion in between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
God’s angry response is what rendered the earth “without form and void with darkness on the face of the deep.”
There is nowhere else this passage of Scripture could fit:

Jeremiah 4:24–26 (KJV 1900): 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled,
And all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness,
And all the cities thereof were broken down
At the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

“There was no man” meaning there was no Adam.