Spiritually Brain Dead

[Rella]

Manfred's replies to Rella

Really?

Well, let me ask you this.

Who made the angels? Was it God?

Yes

AGREED

Were the angels given free will? Before answering, think about that.

Can you provide me with a scripture to validate my answer?

WHAT ANSWER? IF GOD MADE THE ANGELS OR IF THEY WERE GIVEN FREE WILL?

What does this scripture tell you:
1Pe 1:12 It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.

These were chosen men of God who were anointed by Him to deliver heavenly information that was to one day be complied into the very Word of God. These were the select few, through Whom God incarnate was to reveal Himself and His message of salvation to His fallen creation. And over many centuries, holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, to give testimony of the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ the righteous, heir of all things, and through Whom the world was created.

These were events that were veiled to the eyes of even these great men were brought into sharper view when the Holy Spirit started to move in the lives of the apostles, who unfolded the mystery of the Church (which is the Body of Christ), and the free gift of salvation, which is given by grace through faith to all who will believe in the only begotten Son of God as Saviour and Lord.
IOW.... TO ALL WHO WILL BELIEVE BECAUSE NOT ALL WILL!!!!!!
Ya kind of, in a way, provided your own scripture now didn't you?

Do you for one minute think that our heavenly Father for one instant created all the heavenly host and then 1/3 of them rebelled because
Lucifer , who became so impressed with his own beauty, intelligence, power, and position that he began to desire for himself the honor and glory that belonged to God alone, was the enticement they needed to fall away.

Not sure what your point is?
it "seems" that you believe Satan's rebellion somehow caught God off guard?

NOT AT ALL. LUCIFER/SATAN WAS GIVEN FREE WILL.. JUST LIKE EVERY COGNITIVE CREATION OF THE LORD MOST HIGH.
WHEN HE REBELLED AND WANTED TO BE LIKE GOD... OR BETTER THEN HE IS, 1/3 OF THE ANGELIC CREATIONS FOLLOWED HIM.
WHETHER THEY BOUGHT INTO HIS LIES OF DECEPTION AND THOUGHT HE WOULD RISE TO THE TOP, OR BOUGHT INTO HIS
'' GOOD LIFE FUN AND GAMES'' OR THEY JUST HAD NO TORUBLE BEING THE DEMONS THEY BECAME IS STILL OUT WITH THE JURY.
BUT IT WAS LUCIFER'S REBELLIOUS FREE WILL THAT SET THIS BALL IN MOTION OF FULL SEPARATION FROM GOD.

GOD KNEW IT WOULD HAPPEN. HE DID NOT PREDESTINE IT TO.

Lucifer's PRIDE that actually was the beginning of sin in the universe ~ and that preceded the fall of the human Adam by an indeterminate time.

Can you please provide scripture and how this indicates that man is born again by the freedom of the will and not by the will of God?

UMMM????? I CAN WRITE READING, CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WRITE?

WE KNOW GOD DRAWS MAN. THAT IS THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE. THEN MAN IS PRESENTED WITH ALL THINGS SALVATION. (my wording not the bible) THEN MAN CHOSES TO ACCEPT THE BLOOD SACRIFICE JESUS OR TO WALK AWAY. ( think 2 thieves on the cross with Jesus)

YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER. YOU CANNOT MAKE HIM DRINK. NOT UNTIL HIS THIRST IS CRAVING THAT WATER.

JOHN 4:13-14

13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

IT WAS NOT FORCED ON THIS WOMAN. IT WAS OFFERED FOR HER TO ACCEPT OR REJECT

In God's foreknowledge He knew before Lucifer knew what could happen. Did God cause it or predestine it to happen? NO!!!!!!

Why are you contradicting yourself!
If God knew before Lucifer knew, and God still created Lucifer then yes, God by creating Lucifer knew exactly what would happen, and He allowed it to happen.

THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION. GOD KNEW BEFORE CREATION THAT SOME WOULD FALL AWAY, AND THAT LUCIFER WOULD BY HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE. HE STILL ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. HE DID NOT CAUSE IT TO HAPPEN. WHAT WE DO NOT KNOW IS WHEN, AFTER COMING INTO BEING, LUCIFER GOT SO FULL OF HIMSELF THAT HE TURNED AGAINST GOD.

God will be glorified in everything.

A STATEMENT OF TRUTH, TRULY STATED. AMEN!

It is not the almighty will that we worship, by any stretch. It is the almighty God who has provided the way of escape to those who will accept His gift of grace, through the shed blood of Jesus.

God provided a way, that is true.
Where does it say His will is conditional on the will of man?

NOWHERE. WHY WOULD IT NEED TO BE? HE PROVIDED THE WAY, AND FOR THOSE WHO CHOSE TO FOLLOW HIM HE WILL BESTOW HIS GRACE. IF ONE CHOSES NOT TO FOLLOW HIS WAY... THAT IS UP TO THEM.

You do worship the almighty will that is sovereign to the will of God. You just proved it above.
Can you point to a scripture that makes a promise that man becomes born again based on the freedom of the will?

Not everyone will. Not everyone wants to. Not everyone understands and certainly those do not want to in the first place.

Why not? What stops them.
Do you have some ability they do not have?
Are you more righteous?
Did you have the ability not to suppress the truth in unrighteousness?
Do you have a better understanding of the gospel message?
Did the person who shared the gospel with you have a better ability to convince you?

What exactly puts you apart from those above?

UNCLE!!!!!

I do not know why. But it IS their choice. These are the Spiritually brain dead people.

Everybody are spiritually brain dead until God opens their minds and hearts to understanding.

IF YOU ARE A CALVIN FOLLOWER... then THIS IS NOT TRUE. NOT EVERYONE.

When God removes the blindness then one can understand Spiritual truths.

I SEE IT AS WHEN GOD DRAWS YOU....AND YOUR MIND THEN IS OPEN TO SEARCH.

If you do not agree, please let me know how you were able to overcome your spiritual brain deadness?

ME????? IT ALL STARTED WHEN I WAS BABY SPRINKLED, AND THEN AT AGE 38 GIVE OR TAKE A MONTH OR TWO
WHEN I WAS PRICKED IN MY HEART . WHAT HAPPENED TO LEAD TO THAT POINT IS BETWEEN GOD AND ME.

I will leave with the following....

It IS God's will that no one perish (2 Peter 3:9 ). But He will not interfere.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Go read a good commentary on this passage. This passage is not about unsaved people.

An extensive study on 2 Peter 3:9 should be made... but not here and not now.

I agree.
So get to it!

I MAY... but i think you should .... you have a very unique way with words.... I mean that as a compliment, because you cause
all to think, almost beyond their ability.

 

[GeneZ]

God does not save unbelievers. He saves the elect who He brings to faith.

God does not save unbelievers.
He saves the elect who He brings to faith.

Please... break that down and explain what you mean by that?

Were we not all unbelievers before we were saved?
Or, were we not to *remain* unbelievers?

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And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked ​

according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the ​

spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ​

ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were ​

by nature children of wrath, just as the others." Ephesians 2:1-3​

grace and peace ............

 

[GeneZ]

I specifically asked you if you resisted God and then you chose God and you were saved, is that how it happened with you?

Nothing you have responded to so far actually addressed my question. Would you like to try again?

I had no choice but to resist without God supplying the power of His grace to suppress my soul's slave master called the "flesh."

God saves us. We, being our souls, not our bodies.
He crucified our flesh on the Cross so our soul may live free of the sin nature.
Our flesh is no longer to lead our soul, but Faith is to be our guide.

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; ​

and the life which I now live in the body I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved ​

me and gave Himself for me." Galatians 2:20​

Crucified: My old self no longer lives.
My unregenerate self is dead.

I now live by faith... Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. (Rom 10:17)

He took away the power of our flesh and gave us our human spirit, so that Faith can be living within us.

And, by what means does our flesh no longer rule us?
By the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit who is to guide and control our life in Christ.

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[Dave_Regenerated]

I had no choice but to resist without God supplying the power of His grace to suppress my soul's slave master called the "flesh."

God saves us. We, being our souls, not our bodies.
He crucified our flesh on the Cross so our soul may live free of the sin nature.
Our flesh is no longer to lead our soul, but Faith is to be our guide.

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; ​

and the life which I now live in the body I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved ​

me and gave Himself for me." Galatians 2:20​

Crucified: My old self no longer lives.
My unregenerate self is dead.

I now live by faith... Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. (Rom 10:17)

He took away the power of our flesh and gave us our human spirit, so that Faith can be living within us.

And, by what means does our flesh no longer rule us?
By the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit who is to guide and control our life in Christ.

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Ok, so your testimony or life story of coming to God involves you resisting God until you chose to exercise belief and that was what led to your salvation, correct?

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Not yet. For my first attempt left you with nothing. For I did answer you.

Grace must reach in and remove the blinder and ear plugs ....

Need to find another approach.

John 15:16 says

New International Version
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last

Jesus chose his disciples and they did not choose him.

What do you do with that passage of scripture?

 

[GeneZ]

John 15:16 says

New International Version
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last

Jesus chose his disciples and they did not choose him.

What do you do with that passage of scripture?

Keep in mind. Even Judas was chosen, and not even saved. Chosen to be his disciple.

Rabbis in Jesus day could have a following of disciples. Jesus chose them to be his disciples.

Not chosen for salvation. as evidenced by Jesus choosing of Judas.


Disciples would live with the rabbi twenty-four hours a day, walking from town to town, teaching, working, eating, and studying. They would discuss the Scriptures and apply them to their lives. The disciples were also supposed to be the rabbi's servants, submitting to his authority while they served his needs."

https://hrcak.srce.hr/file/333538#:~:text=Disciples would live with the,while they served his needs.

 

[Rella]

Keep in mind. Even Judas was chosen, and not even saved. Chosen to be his disciple.

Rabbis in Jesus day could have a following of disciples. Jesus chose them to be his disciples.

Not chosen for salvation. as evidenced by Jesus choosing of Judas.


Disciples would live with the rabbi twenty-four hours a day, walking from town to town, teaching, working, eating, and studying. They would discuss the Scriptures and apply them to their lives. The disciples were also supposed to be the rabbi's servants, submitting to his authority while they served his needs."

https://hrcak.srce.hr/file/333538#:~:text=Disciples would live with the,while they served his needs.

Just a quick question.....

If not saved, why would Jesus tell in Math 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,?

 

[GeneZ]

Just a quick question.....

If not saved, why would Jesus tell in Math 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,?

Matthew 28 was said after Jesus was resurrected. Judas was gone.

Jesus was declaring to them what soon was to become their reality when enabled at Pentecost.

The reason Jesus told them that was because of what is found in verse 18.

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

It was a changed spiritual reality for them.

Prior to that, Jesus needed to pray to the Father for all his needs.

After? Jesus now had all power and authority to command them and make it his own Divine directive.

 

[sawdust]

Well you should make a distinction!

I gave you the exact phrase to be understood by an atheist. Here it is again "the message that Christ died on the Cross to save the world? You think unbelievers can't understand what is being said in that sentence? They don't know to who or what historical event is being referred?

Good scripture. Is that the gospel message?

Huh? When I say there is more to learn before the Gospel message is given you jump on your high horse about us being spiritually dead and unrighteous but here you are recognising that coming to Christ is a process.

So you are saying His drawing failed. Correct?

No, in fact I said God did not fail. Are you not listening?

So now you admit that not everyone are drawn!

I never said everyone (as in every person ever born) was drawn. I never even broached the subject, you did. You seem to be having a conversation with your own imagination of what you think I'm saying or maybe even what you would like me to say just so you can "correct me" rather than listening to what I am actually saying.

Look I'll make this really simple. As the OP said, we are spiritually brain dead. If left to our own devices, we would remain completely oblivious to God and all spiritual truth. But GRACE comes to the rescue. The Spirit makes truth perspicuous to the spiritually brain dead person by means of grace, a work of the Spirit. He causes the soul to be free of the sin nature's influence (which is in the flesh) so people can see and decide for themselves to accept or reject what is being shown. The soul is created neutral in respect to good and evil. You must learn what is good and what is evil. When you are shown, it is you who must decide which you prefer, God does not make (force) you to love goodness or righteousness, that would not be love. The Spirit doesn't give all the truth needed all in one go, learning spiritual truth is as much a process as learning any academic study. You learn your numbers and how to add before you learn algebra.

Isaiah 28:9-10
9“Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”

Therefore, you begin with the basics.

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

You have to believe, first and foremost, that God actually exists. The Romans 1 type doesn't even get that far. You then have to believe He is good, that He rewards you when you come. Many peel off at this point because they don't get what they want from God. But if you are willing to believe, you are drawn forward and given more truth until you are ready to hear the Gospel and be saved. Grace is most powerful in our greatest weaknesses.

Romans 5:20
The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more

2 Corinthians 12:9
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

It doesn't matter whether you are spiritually dead or spiritually alive, the basic need for the Spirit to reveal the truth by means of grace always remains. Faith comes form the word, not from within but it is not generated in an unwilling soul. It cannot be any other way, for the very thing needed to live is the very thing rejected, truth.

Luke 4:4
But Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’ ”

John 17:17
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

Honestly, I don't know how to make it any plainer. Maybe you need to rethink what you think the human will is capable of according to God's design. He gave us a will to make choices. It doesn't alter reality, the Lord God has set reality. Choose life and live, choose death and die. It's real simple. You're not creating life by your choice anymore than you are creating death. You're not creating faith by your believing, the word generates faith. But the word doesn't work in a vacuum that is why you must choose. The word reveals, you respond and then the word keeps it's promise. It's a two way thing going on that's why it's called a "relationship" with God.

 

[sawdust]

Can you show a scripture that describes this integrity?

Here is one that shows the integrity of God:
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means!
Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

You keep inferring the opposite. That it (God's mercy and compassion) depends on human will or the exertion of the human will.

I can show you a whole book that describes God's integrity.

No, you are doing the inferring. I am implying nothing of the sort. I guess you will just have to wait until God does your thinking for you before you will know if I am right or wrong in what I say.

Have a nice day.

 

[GeneZ]

Does He make it known that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior? Or does he say they can know God exists and have no excuse?
Context matters.

The drawing of God ends with Christ. It does not begin with making it known that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.

If they reject while being drawn they are without excuse, for they cut God off drawing them which would have revealed the Savior.

The following men were drawn and God had made Himself known to them.

Romans 1:18-22​

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The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all ​

the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the ​

truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God ​

is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. ​

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For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—​

his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, ​

being understood from what has been made, so that people ​

are without excuse.​

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For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God ​

nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and ​

their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to ​

be wise, they became fools."​

Note?

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For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—​

his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, ​

being understood from what has been made, so that people ​

are without excuse.​

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God says, "no excuse."​

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[Manfred]

I am showing how Scripture is being misrepresented by some.

I was merely expressing the conclusion of thinking of those whom I see misrepresenting Scripture.

Yes.... spiritually dead people can not believe.
Why is that the case? What is keeping them from believing?

Rom 11:8 as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day.”
2Co 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
2Co 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

For we were all spiritually dead at one time, but now believe.

How do you come to believe that which is spiritual in the natural, or with the carnal mind?

So, we can believe if the problem is removed from having its effect!

Yes.

Was it their flesh with its sin nature that dominated over the soul? Yes.

Agreed

For even you said... He is a slave to sin. He is in bondage to his sin.

Correct

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.
The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved
me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

The soul is not where the sin nature resides. Its in the flesh.

Correct

That is why it says we have been *crucified* with Christ.
You can not crucify a soul....

The sin nature.
Rom 6:4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.

grace and peace .................................

Thank you, and the same to you.

 

[Manfred]

God does not save unbelievers.
He saves the elect who He brings to faith.

Please... break that down and explain what you mean by that?

People who die in unbelief are not saved. Those are the unbelievers I was referring to. And the salvation I spoke about is in the context of "will be saved"

Look at the context of the question I was answering.

Were we not all unbelievers before we were saved?

Yes, and since you are no longer an unbeliever you will be saved.

Or, were we not to *remain* unbelievers?

Unbelievers will remain unbelievers lest God intervenes.

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And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked ​

according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the ​

spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ​

ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were ​

by nature children of wrath, just as the others." Ephesians 2:1-3​

grace and peace ............

 

[Manfred]

I gave you the exact phrase to be understood by an atheist. Here it is again "the message that Christ died on the Cross to save the world? You think unbelievers can't understand what is being said in that sentence? They don't know to who or what historical event is being referred?

I have answered that.
Read what I write and not what you want to read into what I write.
Atheists can understand any concept. Yet it is folly to them.

Do you understand that part?

Huh? When I say there is more to learn before the Gospel message is given you jump on your high horse about us being spiritually dead and unrighteous but here you are recognising that coming to Christ is a process.

Some people never learn anything before the gospel is shared with them, and come to belief when they hear it!
Read a book!

No, in fact I said God did not fail. Are you not listening?

God does not fail when He whishes with all is heart to have something happen, and it does not happen?
Aren't you listening?

I never said everyone (as in every person ever born) was drawn. I never even broached the subject, you did. You seem to be having a conversation with your own imagination of what you think I'm saying or maybe even what you would like me to say just so you can "correct me" rather than listening to what I am actually saying.

Are you not Arminian and do you not believe all refers to everyone ever born?

Look I'll make this really simple. As the OP said, we are spiritually brain dead. If left to our own devices, we would remain completely oblivious to God and all spiritual truth.

Yes

But GRACE comes to the rescue. The Spirit makes truth perspicuous to the spiritually brain dead person by means of grace, a work of the Spirit. He causes the soul to be free of the sin nature's influence (which is in the flesh) so people can see and decide for themselves to accept or reject what is being shown.

Your last bolded part is what I challenged you on right from the start.

The soul is created neutral in respect to good and evil. You must learn what is good and what is evil. When you are shown, it is you who must decide which you prefer, God does not make (force) you to love goodness or righteousness, that would not be love.

This sounds very gnostic.
Do you have scripture to support this view.

The Spirit doesn't give all the truth needed all in one go, learning spiritual truth is as much a process as learning any academic study.

Do you believe He does this with every individual who ever lived?

You learn your numbers and how to add before you learn algebra.

Isaiah 28:9-10
9“Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”

Therefore, you begin with the basics.

Who is the "you" whom you refer to? Are you talking salvation or sanctification now?
You seem to be conflating the 2

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Correct. Why do some not believe in Him is my question to you!

You have to believe, first and foremost, that God actually exists. The Romans 1 type doesn't even get that far. You then have to believe He is good, that He rewards you when you come.

So how did you believe whilst the atheist does not. How did you come to realize that He will reward you when you come, while the atheist does not realize that he will be rewarded should he come?

Many peel off at this point because they don't get what they want from God.

Where are your scriptures for these types of conjectures!

But if you are willing to believe, you are drawn forward and given more truth until you are ready to hear the Gospel and be saved. Grace is most powerful in our greatest weaknesses.

Scripture!
Where in the world do you get that those who are spiritually dead become willing to believe and are only then drawn forward!!
This sounds very gnostic.

Romans 5:20
The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more

What does this have to do with being drawn forward? Does this apply to all men ever?

2 Corinthians 12:9
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Again, is this talking about unbelievers who are being drawn closer and closer to belief and finally over the line?

It doesn't matter whether you are spiritually dead or spiritually alive, the basic need for the Spirit to reveal the truth by means of grace always remains.

You must say how this applies to all men ever, or if it applies only to the elect.

Faith comes form the word, not from within but it is not generated in an unwilling soul. It cannot be any other way, for the very thing needed to live is the very thing rejected, truth.

Luke 4:4
But Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’ ”

Where do you find what you wrote in this scripture!
Where does Jesus say it is not generated in an unwilling soul?

Why are you adding stuff to scripture?

John 17:17
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

Honestly, I don't know how to make it any plainer.

Honestly, if you stopped adding your premises into scripture you would have a lot more exegesis.
As it stands, you insert will/willing/choice/ into all your reading of scripture.

Maybe you need to rethink what you think the human will is capable of according to God's design.

The human will is capable of rebelling against God. It is self seeking, vain and all important to the carnal minded.

He gave us a will to make choices.

Not spiritual choices. If you do something because it is your will to do something, then you are glorified.
When you do the will of God, then He is glorified.

Why can you not die to self and live to God?
Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

Change your prayer life by saying Your will be done, and not mine!

It doesn't alter reality, the Lord God has set reality. Choose life and live, choose death and die. It's real simple.

That is why the majority enter through the wide gate correct?

You're not creating life by your choice anymore than you are creating death. You're not creating faith by your believing, the word generates faith.

Why does it fail then in the majority of cases. Why does the word not work all the time!
Is it because the human will is sovereign over God?

But the word doesn't work in a vacuum that is why you must choose.

More Gnosticism. Where do you find this in scripture?
Mat 11:27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Do you see above that the Bible teaches the exact opposite as that which you espouse?

The word reveals, you respond and then the word keeps it's promise.

Ah, now you are saying something else again.
As I asked earlier. Does this apply to all men ever?

It's a two way thing going on that's why it's called a "relationship" with God.

Obedience to God glorifies Him
obedience to your will, glorifies yourself!

So in this two way thing you promote, how much credit do you give yourself? Is it 50% you and 50% God?

 

[Manfred]

I can show you a whole book that describes God's integrity.

No, you are doing the inferring. I am implying nothing of the sort. I guess you will just have to wait until God does your thinking for you before you will know if I am right or wrong in what I say.

Have a nice day.

Are you born again by making a free will choice. By the human will. Or by God alone?

Not difficult to answer if you were honest.

 

[ReverendRV]

Are you born again by making a free will choice. By the human will. Or by God alone?

Not difficult to answer if you were honest.

who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:13 NKJV

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who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

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[Manfred]

The drawing of God ends with Christ. It does not begin with making it known that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.

If they reject while being drawn they are without excuse, for they cut God off drawing them which would have revealed the Savior.

Read again what you wrote, and tell me how your words does NOT make the drawing of God impotent?
Compare your words above to the words of Jesus here:
Joh 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Jesus says that the person drawn by God will be raised on the last day. He goes on saying:
Joh 6:45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me

Who are the all referred to in verse 45!

The following men were drawn and God had made Himself known to them.

Romans 1:18-22​

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The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all ​

the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the ​

truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God ​

is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. ​

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For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—​

his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, ​

being understood from what has been made, so that people ​

are without excuse.​

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For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God ​

nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and ​

their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to ​

be wise, they became fools."​

Note?

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For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—​

his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, ​

being understood from what has been made, so that people ​

are without excuse.​

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God says, "no excuse.​

And? Can you point to the drawing of God in the above scripture?
Joh 6:45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me
Who are the all Jesus talks about here? Does it include those without excuse or not? And if not why not!

 

[GeneZ]

Read again what you wrote, and tell me how your words does NOT make the drawing of God impotent?

If anything it shows God has great power not to over ride the volition of others by always getting his way like a spoiled child that never grew up.

 

[GeneZ]

Are you born again by making a free will choice. By the human will. Or by God alone?

Not difficult to answer if you were honest.

Why do you believe what you do? No free will?

 

[ReverendRV]

Why do you believe what you do? No free will?

Every Calvinist believes in the Liberty of the Will...