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1) God is divine principle

2) Jesus is not God. The incarnation and bodily resurection of Jesus Christ did not occur.

3) Scripture is not inerrant.

4) Sin, death, evil do not exist.

5) There is no literal, physical existence of the material universe.


As this plainly shows this is not Christian by any means.



Taken from: The kingdom of the cults. Walter Martin
 
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1) God is divine principle

2) Jesus is not God. The incarnation and bodily resurection of Jesus Christ did not occur.

3) Scripture is not inerrant.

4) Sin, death, evil do not exist.

5) There is no literal, physical existence of the material universe.


As this plainly shows this is not Christian by any means.



Taken from: The kingdom of the cults. Walter Martin
You have to wonder why they call themselves CHRISTIAN Science.
They're not Christian...nor....science.
 
Have you read about their leader?
Not really. I have heard of Mary Baker Eddy.
A long time ago I did read The kingdom of the cults by Walter Martin. To be honest I've never come across a christian scientist.
 
Not really. I have heard of Mary Baker Eddy.
A long time ago I did read The kingdom of the cults by Walter Martin. To be honest I've never come across a christian scientist.
Yeah, it's a kinda weird religion (cult), they are around, but no one ever speaks up about it.
 
Yeah, it's a kinda weird religion (cult), they are around, but no one ever speaks up about it.
I was raised as a Christian Scientist. I will speak up about it when I get time. Right now, I have to get myself in gear. I am the Thanksgiving dinner cook.
 
Not really. I have heard of Mary Baker Eddy.
A long time ago I did read The kingdom of the cults by Walter Martin. To be honest I've never come across a christian scientist.
The best book to get a comprehensive portrait of MBE is "The Life of Mary Baker G. Eddy and the History of Christian Science. It is full of court documents, letters, newspaper articles, personal reminiscences of people who knew her etc.

Today she would probably be diagnosed with a plethora of personality disorders. She had a mean streak and was ruthless, domineering and demanding and just plain nuts. And yet, for some reason, had charisma.
 
You have to wonder why they call themselves CHRISTIAN Science.
They're not Christian...nor....science.
You have to remember that CS was founded by MBE back in the late 1800's. She died in 1910. Or as a Christian Scientist would say, "It seemed like she died in 1910." What they mean by that is it looked like she died but she didn't really. Even to this day I cringe at that expression "it seems like" so deeply is the cult definition embedded.

At the time there were great advances in science that were shaking the faith in the reliability of Scripture of the Christian community. In addition, there was a wave of metaphysical religions coming on the scene. MBE's answer was to name her form of metaphysical religion CS. Problems solved. By science she simply means her version of reality and Christianity is the ultimate science. The sad thing is, I think she probably believed everything she said. But she was a nutter..

But that is exactly what I say when someone asks about CS. It isn't Christian and it isn't science.
 
Not really. I have heard of Mary Baker Eddy.
A long time ago I did read The kingdom of the cults by Walter Martin. To be honest I've never come across a christian scientist.
Iforgot to give the author. Willa Cather & George Milmine.
 
It is strange growing up in CS. I don't remember much being said about it before I was eight. There were times when it was the farthest thing from my father's mind, but when all the children were ages, 11, 9,8, 4, and 1, we moved our of the city and onto a farm near a very small town. My mother told me years later, that he had decided to buckle down and live CS. His three oldest children were of an age where they could begin to understand things, and given the growing isolation he enforced, I think he had decided it was time to get us away from the influences of the world. His motives were love and concern for us, he was strict but not violent. And I loved the farm and the animals. I consider that I had a good and happy childhood.

I know now that God brought me into the world and into that family, and that religion, for his own purposes. and so, I am grateful.

Growing up CS does not come without its long-lasting repercussions. There is a sense of dread when touching certain memories, a darkness, almost as though a part of your past was haunted. For children growing up, especially in a community where the first two questions that were asked of the new kid were, "Where does your father work?" and "Where do you go to church?" It was a church going community, predominately Lutheran, but also Methodist and Baptist. Very few Catholics---they congregated in a couple of surrounding towns. So, there was the stigma of being different, odd.

But how does a child live amidst reality, a very material world, experience that world with joy and happiness, as well as sickness and sorrow and death, and at the same time be taught that it is not real? It is all an illusion and one can with their mind make it all go away.

CS claims to be the absolute truth and for a while I believed it was. As a teenager and young adult, I knew it wasn't. I gave assent to it as long as my father was alive and for a brief time out of loyalty and love after he died when I was twenty. Then I abandoned all religion. One good thing that came out of the CS experience was a recognition that there had to be such a thing as absolute truth I went on a quest to find it. Traditional Christianity, what little I knew of it was not on my radar as my teaching had embedded in me that it had already failed. Both my parents were brought up in traditional Christianity. I eventually came to the conclusion that even if I came across the absolute truth, I would have no way of knowing that I had.

That of course turned out to not be the case, and it was in the very place I had never looked.

With that background in place, in my next post I will give quotes that show just how deadly and unchristian CS is. It can be very deceiving to a person who does know the basics of Christianity, because it uses the same words. However, those words mean something entirely different from the Christian and Bible usage. I will have to take the quotes from The Kingdom of the Cults, as I through away all my CS books within the first week of my conversion. And I hate throwing away books! They are the only books I ever through away. (Well except for some Hagin and Copeland books and tapes my sister gave my mother. Who by the way, came to Christ late in life.).
 
It is strange growing up in CS. I don't remember much being said about it before I was eight. There were times when it was the farthest thing from my father's mind, but when all the children were ages, 11, 9,8, 4, and 1, we moved our of the city and onto a farm near a very small town. My mother told me years later, that he had decided to buckle down and live CS. His three oldest children were of an age where they could begin to understand things, and given the growing isolation he enforced, I think he had decided it was time to get us away from the influences of the world. His motives were love and concern for us, he was strict but not violent. And I loved the farm and the animals. I consider that I had a good and happy childhood.

I know now that God brought me into the world and into that family, and that religion, for his own purposes. and so, I am grateful.

Growing up CS does not come without its long-lasting repercussions. There is a sense of dread when touching certain memories, a darkness, almost as though a part of your past was haunted. For children growing up, especially in a community where the first two questions that were asked of the new kid were, "Where does your father work?" and "Where do you go to church?" It was a church going community, predominately Lutheran, but also Methodist and Baptist. Very few Catholics---they congregated in a couple of surrounding towns. So, there was the stigma of being different, odd.

But how does a child live amidst reality, a very material world, experience that world with joy and happiness, as well as sickness and sorrow and death, and at the same time be taught that it is not real? It is all an illusion and one can with their mind make it all go away.

CS claims to be the absolute truth and for a while I believed it was. As a teenager and young adult, I knew it wasn't. I gave assent to it as long as my father was alive and for a brief time out of loyalty and love after he died when I was twenty. Then I abandoned all religion. One good thing that came out of the CS experience was a recognition that there had to be such a thing as absolute truth I went on a quest to find it. Traditional Christianity, what little I knew of it was not on my radar as my teaching had embedded in me that it had already failed. Both my parents were brought up in traditional Christianity. I eventually came to the conclusion that even if I came across the absolute truth, I would have no way of knowing that I had.

That of course turned out to not be the case, and it was in the very place I had never looked.

With that background in place, in my next post I will give quotes that show just how deadly and unchristian CS is. It can be very deceiving to a person who does know the basics of Christianity, because it uses the same words. However, those words mean something entirely different from the Christian and Bible usage. I will have to take the quotes from The Kingdom of the Cults, as I threw away all my CS books within the first week of my conversion. And I hate throwing away books! They are the only books I ever through away. (Well except for some Hagin and Copeland books and tapes my sister gave my mother. Who by the way, came to Christ late in life.).
I'm looking forward to reading more of this, very interesting sister. Blessings
 
I'm looking forward to reading more of this, very interesting sister. Blessings
I am waiting for my updated edition of the book to arrive to see if it has more or different quotes. It will be here today, but I don't know what time. Or I may get impatient and go ahead with what I have. :) And add to it if need be. I don't know if it has anything that will bring out the deception of the word usages.

I once read a novel about someone raised in CS and in it were quotes from Science and Heath and when I read them, I though, that sounds right, and yet I know it isn't. By that time, I simply read the words with my understanding of the biblical definitions overlaid on MBE's words. But that was thirty or more years after I had heard the voice of Jesus and followed him. I already had the old definitions of my CS days erased. But a new Christian investigating CS may not have that yet.

In the front of Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, MBE has a glossary of the redefined terms and their CS meaning. So, when you come across them in her writing you can go find out what she is really saying. I can pull that up online. I have before and may present them or some of them. But that glossary form of manipulation is deep brainwashing and hard to shake. And there are other things that are involved with MBE that make CS not just anathema but a bona fide cult.
 
What she did was set up a system where she is controlling the content of teaching, even from the grave. For members a CS Quarterly is issued. Twenty-six subjects are covered twice a year. Each week has the lessons for the day which include the Bible passage to be read and the corresponding interpretation from Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. At the Sunday services the weekly summary from the Quarterly is read. There is a first reader (always a man, and a second reader, aways a woman. They serve as the "pastors", and I do not remember how often they change or the process of changing. But they serve a term.

There is no discussion, no ad lib, just MBE's mind, even to this day. Those daily readings are what the members (and we as children were required by our parents to do that reading) were spoon fed daily. I confess, it was difficult for me to understand, but then from the grave MBE tells you how to understand it. Even so, it was like working through a deep and complicated puzzle, and it did teach me to think philosophically. Now of course, I realize the problem was not with me, it was because what was being presented was utter nonsense from a woman who had mental problems. but was also highly intelligent. Nevertheless, the manner of indoctrination is profoundly effective.
 
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@Carbon

I had to delete the first paragraph of post #15. My 2018 edition of Kingdom of the Cults arrived, and I was reading the first part about CS. There was info in there I have never had, and it turn out money, fame, and even "deity", were her motives. She was worth over $3 mil at her death in 1910. And that was an unfathomable amount of money her days. She commanded monies from her followers.
 
@Carbon

I had to delete the first paragraph of post #15. My 2018 edition of Kingdom of the Cults arrived, and I was reading the first part about CS. There was info in there I have never had, and it turn out money, fame, and even "deity", were her motives. She was worth over $3 mil at her death in 1910. And that was an unfathomable amount of money her days. She commanded monies from her followers.
Wow!
 
There were not new quotes from S & H in the lates edition of Kingdom of the Cults. And they weren't the best ones, except as identifying the religion as anti-Christian with "The blood of Christ was no more efficacious for cleansing sin when it was shed on the cross than it was when it flowed in his veins." and her utter denial of his deity and the Trinity.

She talks a lot about sin, while denying its reality. One might think she is contradicting herself but she is not--not in her own mind or that of a Christian Scientist. The term "sin" has been redefined. It is often substituted for "error" and is used as a synonym. It means anything bad.

Here is a very interesting thing I found online from chapter 14 of Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures.
Independent Christian Science books — Plainfield Christian Science Church, Independent

By Science she always means Christian Science.

I think when she wrote a lot of her stuff, including the above link, she was heavily under the influence of morphine. Though no one ever accused her of being an addict, there is ample proof that she partook of it at times. And maybe in today's climate she would be considered an addict. Who knows. Much of what she writes has that circular, addled, non-reasoning, reasoning quality to it.
 
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