Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

[Carbon]

Mark 8:37
Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? KJV

Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? BSB (Beren Standard Bible)

Or ya might say, (what ransom shall a man give) for his soul?



Thoughts?

 

[John Bauer]

"Is anything worth more than your soul?" (Mark 8:37, NLT).

 

[QVQ]

I hesitate because I don't know exactly how this would work or if it should work
But I maybe, might, could think about ransoming my soul for someone I loved, to relieve their suffering
Just a thought, not certain....
But then perhaps it is still making a deal with the devil, who doesn't have the power to keep the bargain, and I would end up in a very bad place myself.
Probably better to pray for God's mercy for the loved one and the strength for myself to accept God's will

 

[John Bauer]

I hesitate because I don't know exactly how this would work or if it should work
But I maybe, might, could think about ransoming my soul for someone I loved, to relieve their suffering
Just a thought, not certain....

Sounds familiar: "If it were somehow possible, I could wish that I myself were damned and cut off from Christ, if that would mean salvation for my fellow Jews—my own people, my flesh and blood" (Rom 9:3, paraphrase).

 

[QVQ]

Sounds familiar: "If it were somehow possible, I could wish that I myself were damned and cut off from Christ, if that would mean salvation for my fellow Jews—my own people, my flesh and blood" (Rom 9:3, paraphrase).

Yes, it was not possible for the Apostle Paul to wish himself damned and cut off from Christ to obtain salvation for..my own people, my flesh and blood..
Because

Rom 9: 14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all for He says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. "

Thank you @John Bauer for posting the Scripture. I knew the answer was in the Bible somewhere. It always is.

 

[fastfredy0]

I hesitate because I don't know exactly how this would work or if it should work
But I maybe, might, could think about ransoming my soul for someone I loved, to relieve their suffering

Interesting ... a few months ago I asked several people, mainly in my family .... I said, "God comes to you and says He will offer you a deal such that He would transport 1,000,000 people from hell to heaven if you will that their place in hell". No one of the 5ish people I asked took the deal. I upped the anti on a second question such that their closest loves ones were part of the deal and I think 1 person took the deal.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Interesting ... a few months ago I asked several people, mainly in my family .... I said, "God comes to you and says He will offer you a deal such that He would transport 1,000,000 people from hell to heaven if you will that their place in hell". No one of the 5ish people I asked took the deal. I upped the anti on a second question such that their closest loves ones were part of the deal and I think 1 person took the deal.

If you added the emotional factor people would change their minds. It's different when you add emotion and love.

Emotions change everything. As a random topic you might expect many to say or even no but in a real situation they might or might not, but add emotion to the topic and they would accept hell to save another.

 

[Eleanor]

Interesting ... a few months ago I asked several people, mainly in my family .... I said, "God comes to you and says He will offer you a deal such that He would transport 1,000,000 people from hell to heaven if you will that their place in hell". No one of the 5ish people I asked took the deal. I upped the anti on a second question such that their closest loves ones were part of the deal and I think 1 person took the deal.

I'm thinkin' there is nothing. . .absolutely nothing. . .that is better in any sense of the word than God's will and plan.

 

[QVQ]

nteresting ... a few months ago I asked several people, mainly in my family .... I said, "God comes to you and says He will offer you a deal such that He would transport 1,000,000 people from hell to heaven if you will that their place in hell". No one of the 5ish people I asked took the deal. I upped the anti on a second question such that their closest loves ones were part of the deal and I think 1 person took the deal.

I would take it in a heartbeat. The only thing is, I would ask for a few more lost souls. Whatever traffic would bear...

In Paradise Lost, Milton's Lucifer said, "A mind in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven. What matter where I be if I still be the same?"
Maybe where I would be after the trade, I would lose my mind but if not...
I would sit on a big hot rock and drive the devil crazy singing Glory Be to God for eternity.

However, I agree with @Eleanor, nothing is better than God's will and plan.

 

[makesends]

Interesting ... a few months ago I asked several people, mainly in my family .... I said, "God comes to you and says He will offer you a deal such that He would transport 1,000,000 people from hell to heaven if you will that their place in hell". No one of the 5ish people I asked took the deal. I upped the anti on a second question such that their closest loves ones were part of the deal and I think 1 person took the deal.

My concern is not for the reprobate. As @Eleanor said, God's will is the best that anything can be. My concern is for God's Name to be known, and the joy of seeing those whom I love amazed by God, admiring and full of love for him, all corruption gone. That people see God as he is, and not as we suppose him to be, is a hope beyond my ability to handle it.

 

[fastfredy0]

I would take it in a heartbeat.

Interesting. I admit that I would be selfish and not take the deal to go to hell to send 1 million to heaven.
... wonder if you'd change you mind after a few days (we'll never know)

 

[fastfredy0]

My concern is not for the reprobate. As @Eleanor said, God's will is the best that anything can be.

I grant that God's will is the best outcome. The question could be such that God's will is that you decide to exchange yourself for 1 million apparent reprobates. Of course, God knew what you would choose before hand and it is possible that His decree is such that a person in the deal end up ultimately in hell and the million apparent reprobates were eternally destined for heaven and this was God's usage of 2nd causes to accomplish his agenda. .... but the question wasn't meant to go that deep giggle

That people see God as he is, and not as we suppose him to be, is a hope beyond my ability to handle it.

Even in heaven I believe our limited resources will be such that we will know Him better, but far from completely. I think I read someone speculate that we will spend eternity learning about God.

 

[makesends]

I grant that God's will is the best outcome. The question could be such that God's will is that you decide to exchange yourself for 1 million apparent reprobates. Of course, God knew what you would choose before hand and it is possible that His decree is such that a person in the deal end up ultimately in hell and the million apparent reprobates were eternally destined for heaven and this was God's usage of 2nd causes to accomplish his agenda. .... but the question wasn't meant to go that deep giggle


Even in heaven I believe our limited resources will be such that we will know Him better, but far from completely. I think I read someone speculate that we will spend eternity learning about God.

I like to think it is a valid notion that we will be forever discovering more of him, but the "forever" is not, in my opinion, a time-frame. I don't think such notions as what we here describe as "in part" will be the way of things there.

We are told, "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.." and, "...we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is."

But one thing I have learned about God, and am constantly reminded of, is that he is always new —the only source of "new".