NASB v. KJV concerning the Deity of the Lord Jesus

[Fred]

The Minority Text has totally and partially omitted passages, and no surprise that some of them leave out partial passages that demonstrates the Deity of the Lord Jesus.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/list-of-totally-and-partially-omitted-passages-in-the-modern-translations.687/#post-22628

Many will never know that much of these modern translations were produced by Gnostics, with the intent to discredit the Deity of Christ,

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/bible-problem.595/#post-19335

the Gnostics that had their hands in the Minority Text manuscripts omitted some of the passages that manifests the Lord Jesus' Deity

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/bible-problem.595/page-6#post-21216

The boldface above (and below) is mine.

Accusations like the ones above are often used to denigrate many modern versions concerning the Deity of the Lord Jesus. If the Gnostics attempted to remove the Deity of Christ from the Greek manuscripts which the NASB is based on, then they did a terrible job of doing so.
The NASB actually presents the Deity of the Lord Jesus better than the KJV.

John 14:14
NASB: If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
KJV: If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
My comment: Since only God is the proper recipient of prayer[1] demonstrates the Lord Jesus is God.

Ephesians 5:21
NASB: and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.
KJV: Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
My comment: To fear the Lord involves worshiping the Lord (cf. (Deuteronomy 6:13). Since the Lord Jesus is to be 'feared' (cf. Acts 9:31; 2 Corinthians 5:11) demonstrates that He is to be worshiped. And since only God is to be worshiped demonstrates the Lord Jesus is God.

Colossians 3:22
NASB: Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord.
KJV: Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God
My comment: See Ephesians 5:21 above. The 'Lord' in Colossians 3:22 refers to the Lord Jesus (vv. 23-24)

Titus 2:13
NASB: looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ
KJV: Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
My comment: The NASB more clearly refers to Jesus as being "God" than the KJV.

1 Peter 3:15
NASB: but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence.
KJV: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always t ogive an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.
My comment: The same Greek word for "sanctify" ("hallowed" in the KJV) is used in reference to prayer to the Father in Matthew 6:9.
Thus, the Lord Jesus is equally the proper recipient of prayer.
Furthermore, Peter quotes Isaiah 8:13 and applies the Lord (YHWH) from that text in reference to Jesus here.
Thus, proving Jesus is YHWH.

2 Peter 1:1
NASB: Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ
KJV: Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
My comment: The NASB more clearly refers to Jesus as being "God" than the KJV.

Jude 4
NASB: For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
KJV: For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
My comment: The NASB correctly applies "Master" (from the Greek word, despotēs) in reference to the Lord Jesus. The KJV does not. This is a powerful proof that Jesus is God, since the "Master" of every Christian is in reference to Jesus (Jude 4) in equality with that of the Father (cf. Acts 4:24).

Revelation 14:1
NASB: Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
KJV: And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
My comment: Since the name of the Lamb will be on their foreheads is a much stronger proof that the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of latreuō in Revelation 22:3 (cf. 'His name' in Revelation 22:4). This is very important concerning the Deity of the Lord Jesus, because latreuō is properly due unto God alone (Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:8).



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https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/prove-the-practice-of-worshipping-the-holy-spirit-with-the-father-the-son.88/#post-1589

 

[Instant]

I do not think the reason part of the text is missing is anything sinister, but just carelessness when the originals were copied. That makes the most sense to me. As far as modern translations go, there are other reasons, like needing them to be different enough to get a copywrite. There are also agendas in some cases. There is not a single reason for the differences, but this kind of thing is a major reason I am KJV only. I do recognize that the Geneva Bible and the New King James Bible seem to be complete so I would use them after the Authorized King James Bible and the 1611 King James Bible if I had to, but I have no use for other translations.

 

[Fred]

As far as modern translations go, there are other reasons, like needing them to be different enough to get a copywrite.

I agree.

I actually prefer (90-95% of the time) the KJV.

but I have no use for other translations.

Have you ever looked at them just to get a different view or even a clearer view of what a passage from the KJV is saying?

 

[Instant]

I agree.

I actually prefer (90-95% of the time) the KJV.



Have you ever looked at them just to get a different view or even a clearer view of what a passage from the KJV is saying?

When I first started going to church, I had a parallel Bible with the KJV on one side and the NIV on the other. It was by comparing them I started seeing the differences and became KJV only. It was not hard because I had been reading it since the day I got saved when I was 17. I purchased an Abington Strong's Concordance with Greek and Hebrew Dictionary when I was 18 and would look up words I did not fully understand till I became fully comfortable using only the KJV Bible.

 

[justbyfaith]

I find that I can even prove that Jesus is satan out of the NASB (but not the kjv).

Therefore I refer to it as the "Not Applicable Satanic Bible".

 

[ChristB4us]

Accusations like the ones above are often used to denigrate many modern versions concerning the Deity of the Lord Jesus. If the Gnostics attempted to remove the Deity of Christ from the Greek manuscripts which the NASB is based on, then they did a terrible job of doing so.
The NASB actually presents the Deity of the Lord Jesus better than the KJV.

You should consider that Gnostics teachings strive on selected scriptures taken out of context.

Plus, the area known for Gnosticism has the oldest manuscripts because they were not using them for edification; thus fallen out of use.

Secret or hidden knowledge should be hinting as to where the Gnostics were getting their "edification" from; tongues for private use. they know not what the tongue is saying but assume they are being edified; thus a clue for why the reading of the scriptures fell out of use and why they wind up denying the deity of Christ.

John 14:14
NASB: If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
KJV: If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
My comment: Since only God is the proper recipient of prayer[1] demonstrates the Lord Jesus is God.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

This point of truth is important as Jesus is the One that answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers. That means the Holy Spirit does not answer the prayers since all that the Holy Spirit does as the Spirit of Christ is to give all the credit & glory to Jesus Christ as Jesus Christ is that Lord and the Head of every believer and the body of Christ.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

To be continued....

 

[ChristB4us]

Ephesians 5:21
NASB: and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.
KJV: Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
My comment: To fear the Lord involves worshiping the Lord (cf. (Deuteronomy 6:13). Since the Lord Jesus is to be 'feared' (cf. Acts 9:31; 2 Corinthians 5:11) demonstrates that He is to be worshiped. And since only God is to be worshiped demonstrates the Lord Jesus is God.

Colossians 3:22
NASB: Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord.
KJV: Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God
My comment: See Ephesians 5:21 above. The 'Lord' in Colossians 3:22 refers to the Lord Jesus (vv. 23-24)

Titus 2:13
NASB: looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ
KJV: Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
My comment: The NASB more clearly refers to Jesus as being "God" than the KJV.

1 Peter 3:15
NASB: but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence.
KJV: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always t ogive an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.
My comment: The same Greek word for "sanctify" ("hallowed" in the KJV) is used in reference to prayer to the Father in Matthew 6:9.
Thus, the Lord Jesus is equally the proper recipient of prayer.
Furthermore, Peter quotes Isaiah 8:13 and applies the Lord (YHWH) from that text in reference to Jesus here.
Thus, proving Jesus is YHWH.

2 Peter 1:1
NASB: Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ
KJV: Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
My comment: The NASB more clearly refers to Jesus as being "God" than the KJV.

Jude 4
NASB: For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
KJV: For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
My comment: The NASB correctly applies "Master" (from the Greek word, despotēs) in reference to the Lord Jesus. The KJV does not. This is a powerful proof that Jesus is God, since the "Master" of every Christian is in reference to Jesus (Jude 4) in equality with that of the Father (cf. Acts 4:24).

Revelation 14:1
NASB: Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
KJV: And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
My comment: Since the name of the Lamb will be on their foreheads is a much stronger proof that the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of latreuō in Revelation 22:3 (cf. 'His name' in Revelation 22:4). This is very important concerning the Deity of the Lord Jesus, because latreuō is properly due unto God alone (Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:8).

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https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/prove-the-practice-of-worshipping-the-holy-spirit-with-the-father-the-son.88/#post-1589

The irony here is that your presentation regarding the Lord Jesus Christ as deity as the recipient of prayer and the last link you provided do not align. The link in your quote above is to this post in the other thread as below:

1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven...for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men. (NASB)

Since the Father (Jeremiah 17:10), the Son (Revelation 2:23), and the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:10) fully know the hearts of all, then all three Persons of the Trinity are the proper recipient of prayer.

Notice the word alone - this is also proof that no other created being is to be prayed to (Mary, and/or other 'saints').

The reference you used 1 Corinthians 2:10 does not testify to the Holy Spirit knowing the hearts of all to be the recipient of prayer, but rather how the Holy Spirit searches the deep things of God.

1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

What you should have listed in comparing the NASB with the KJV is;

Romans 8:26-27
NASB 26 Now in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for (A)we do not know what to pray for as we should, but (B)the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with [a]groanings too deep for words; 27 and (C)He who searches the hearts knows what (D)the mind of the Spirit is, because He (E)intercedes for the [b]saints according to the will of God.

KJV 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

My comment is the NASB implies the Holy Spirit making intercessions directly from Himself with groanings too deep for words; hence gibberish nonsense is applied to this meaning for why those that err, use tongues for private use, but the KJV leaves no room for such misapplication because the Holy Spirit cannot even utter His own groanings when making His intercessions "indirectly" by Christ Jesus that searches our hearts as He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit for how the Spirit's silent intercessions is given to the father because Christ Jesus is the only Mediator between God and men to give all intercessions to the Father so to answer prayers per the will of the Father.

That is why you will not find one example in scripture of praying to the Holy Spirit, or even to the "Trinity" but to the Father in Jesus's name or to the Son at that throne of grace.

 

[Fred]

The irony here is that your presentation regarding the Lord Jesus Christ as deity as the recipient of prayer and the last link you provided do not align.

How?

 

[Fred]

That is why you will not find one example in scripture of praying to the Holy Spirit,

The "Lord" includes Him in Acts 1:24.

 

[ChristB4us]

How?

By signifying that Christ & the Father are the recipients of prayer but then reproving inadvertently how in that other thread at that link that the Holy Spirit is not, even though in that other thread you tried to make the case that the Holy Spirit was also another Recipient of prayer.

All intercessions goes through Jesus Christ, the only Mediator between God & men 1 Timothy 2:5

Jesus knows the mind of the Spirit for why the Spirit does not make any direct intercessions Himself and this is according to the will of God the Father because there is only One Mediator between God the Father and men. That is why Jesus knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's silent intercessions to the Father for the Spirit. Romans 8:26-27 KJV

Why is that? When the Son presents all the intercessions to the Father and then the Father says yes to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified for answers to prayers in His Son. John 14:13-14

The Holy Spirit is dwelling in us for the Son to speak to us through but our response and focus is to the Jesus Christ as the only way to God the father by in anything, in prayer, worship, and fellowship per John 14:6 and not to choose any other way around the Son John 10:1

 

[ChristB4us]

The "Lord" includes Him in Acts 1:24.

Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, KJV

No, it does not. That is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Who we answer to is the One given that task as our only Mediator between God the Father & men.;

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[Fred]

By signifying that Christ & the Father are the recipients of prayer but then reproving inadvertently how in that other thread at that link that the Holy Spirit is not,

He is.
It may not be the emphasis of each prayer, but in every prayer by a Christian He hears and answers.

 

[Fred]

Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, KJV

No, it does not. That is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Is the Lord God Almighty Triune?
Is the Holy Spirit omniscient?

 

[ChristB4us]

He is.
It may not be the emphasis of each prayer, but in every prayer by a Christian He hears and answers.

You do realize that the Holy Spirit fulfills His role as the Comforter by dwelling within us, right?

So the Holy Spirit is not in that position for us to be looking to Heaven to be praying towards but the ascended Son of God is at that throne of grace for how we can come to God the Father by.

Consider this; can the Father be the Mediator between God and men? No.

Can the Holy Spirit be the Mediator between God and men? No.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

 

[Fred]

You do realize that the Holy Spirit

Dodge.

 

[ChristB4us]

Is the Lord God Almighty Triune?
Is the Holy Spirit omniscient?

Did the Triune God died on the cross?

Is the Father the Mediator also between us and ?????

Is the Holy Spirit also a Mediator between us and ????

Then why is this written?

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

You, yourself commented earlier in another post that we are not to pray to Mary or any of the departed saints, but the scripture you had used explained why & how by signifying only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, and yet fail to apply that as excluding the Holy Spirit also.

If you do not exclude the Holy Spirit, but make Him also another Mediator between God and men, then you allow that door to be wider to include Mary & the departed saints because you have made 1 Timothy 2:5 null and void to have no effect for that reproof.

 

[ChristB4us]

Dodge.

Prayers are offered to God in Heaven and so the Holy Spirit is not another Mediator between God and men, BUT only the man Christ Jesus is. That is why I referred to the role of the Holy Spirit as the Comforter as dwelling within us and so not a dodge after all.

 

[Fred]

Did

...you dodge again?

Yes, you did.

 

[Fred]

the Holy Spirit

Is the Lord God Almighty Triune?
Is the Holy Spirit omniscient?

 

[ChristB4us]

Is the Lord God Almighty Triune?
Is the Holy Spirit omniscient?

Seems you are not hearing His words and so that explains why you are not hearing mine.

If you believe the holy laughter movement, slain in the spirit and being drunk in the spirit IS NOT of God, how is it that they'd pray to the Holy Spirit to come but that was not the Holy Spirit that came?

Could it be that God allowed those strong delusion to occur because they believed the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again by a sign? And yet they had prayed to the Holy Spirit and so why wouldn't that be the Holy Spirit that had come? Maybe because they were not heeding His words in John 14:6 that Jesus is really the only way to come to God the Father by?

I leave you to God, brother, with these parting thoughts to pray about;

May God bless you.