Matthew 22:14

[Carbon]

For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Why? If many are called, why are only a few chosen?
How does this work?

 

[Eleanor]

For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Why? If many are called, why are only a few chosen?
How does this work?

Many = all.

Mankind learns of salvation only through the call.
Only the elect respond to the call.

 

[ReverendRV]

For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Why? If many are called, why are only a few chosen?
How does this work?

You know me; I'm going to invoke the Parable of the Soils. All Soils are Called because they receive the Seed; but it was meant for the Chosen Good Soil. As to Why? Only God knows why...

This Parable works for so many Reformed Doctrines...

 

[robertpattison]

True, the seed goes to all, but not every heart is ready for it.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Why? If many are called, why are only a few chosen?
How does this work?

John 1 I think gives us a clue

He came unto his own (he called them) but his own received them not

But as many as have received him, to THEM he gave the power or right to become chidden of God (chosen)

anyway this is how i see it

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You know me; I'm going to invoke the Parable of the Soils. All Soils received the Seed; but it was meant for the Good Soil. As to Why? Only God knows why...

This Parable works for so many Reformed Doctrines...

the seed that survived was rooted in Christ. the rest was never rooted in Christ.

 

[ReverendRV]

the seed that survived was rooted in Christ. the rest was never rooted in Christ.

Instead of saying the Seed they recieved was never rooted in Christ, say the Seed was never rooted in Good Soil. Jesus explains this Parable and says the Soils are the hearts of Man...

This is the Conundrum. If we are Regenerated after we receive the Gospel, but we aren't the Good Soil until we're Born Again; how can we ever hope to become Good Soil if we never bear Fruit?

But according to Reason, if the one Soil is Good, the other Soils are Bad by varying degrees...

 

[makesends]

John 1 I think gives us a clue

He came unto his own (he called them) but his own received them not

But as many as have received him, to THEM he gave the power or right to become chidden of God (chosen)

anyway this is how i see it

John 1:12 interlinear: "As many as however received Him He gave to them authority children of God to be to those believing in the name of Him." The Greek (seems to me) gives the impression that this is not talking about salvation proper, but about the right of adoption —authority given, as God's children.

And, by the way, still no mention of them having a choice as to whether or not they are given this authority.

 

[Whatever]

Why? If many are called, why are only a few chosen?
How does this work?

There is an outward that everyone who hears the gospel or reads the Bible gets. But not everybody hears the gospel. Think Australian Aborigines before the Europeans showed up with the gospel.

The few are chosen are those chosen by God the Father and given to the Son before time began.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

John 17:2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.

The Father has given Jesus authority over all flesh, but He only gives life to those the Father has given to Him.

John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

If the Father had given every single human being that will ever live, then they all would be saved. We know this isn't true.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Instead of saying the Seed they recieved was never rooted in Christ, say the Seed was never rooted in Good Soil. Jesus explains this Parable and says the Soils are the hearts of Man...

Christ is the soil word.

Anythign not rooted in christ will nto produce fruit.

This is the Conundrum. If we are Regenerated after we receive the Gospel, but we aren't the Good Soil until we're Born Again; how can we ever hope to become Good Soil if we never bear Fruit?

The point of the parable is different reactions to the gospel

Only one had saving faith. I can not see any other interpretation that makes sense.

But according to Reason, if the one Soil is Good, the other Soils are Bad by varying degrees...

The other soils represent false faith.. They did not really believe. They recieve, but not in faith..

 

[ReverendRV]

Christ is the soil word.

Anythign not rooted in christ will nto produce fruit.

The point of the parable is different reactions to the gospel

Only one had saving faith. I can not see any other interpretation that makes sense.

The other soils represent false faith.. They did not really believe. They recieve, but not in faith..

Jesus said the point of the Parable is that the Soils are different hearts of Men...

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

John 1:12 interlinear: "As many as however received Him He gave to them authority children of God to be to those believing in the name of Him." The Greek (seems to me) gives the impression that this is not talking about salvation proper, but about the right of adoption —authority given, as God's children.

And, by the way, still no mention of them having a choice as to whether or not they are given this authority.

But as many as have RECIEVED HIM to THEM he gave the POWER (Gk exousian - the authority, the power, the right, jurisdiction, strength) to become sons of God, to those who believe in his name

If you look in the Greek. it appears it is saying he gives us the right to save ourselves, to make ourselves children of God. but we both know that is not true.

Because of the next verse

Who were born, not of blood (it is not passed down from father to child) nor of the will of the flesh (I can not will myself saved) nor of the will of man (Another loved one my not will me saved) but of God

The power (the authority, the right, the jurisdiction, the strength) is Christ. He is our power. once we receive him in faith.

if the power is not received it will not be given

Either way

1. If you do not recieve him, You will not be saved, or made a child of God
2. The people he came to. His own people. They rejected him. They did not recieve him.

11 and 12 go together.

He came unto his own, but his own received him not.

But as many as have recieved him.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Jesus said the point of the Parable is that the Soils are different hearts of Men...

Which is prety much what I have been saying

A different heart will react in a different way.

It still stands. Only one was saved, only 1 produced fruit.

 

[ReverendRV]

Which is prety much what I have been saying

A different hart will react in a different way.

It still stands. Only one was saved, only 1 produced fruit.

Would you say that the Rocky Soil needed God's help? In the Last Days he will remove your heart of Stone and give you a Heart of flesh. Why would God send the Gift of Faith, without removing your heart of Stone?

 

[Arial]

Christ is the soil word.

Anythign not rooted in christ will nto produce fruit.

It says plainly that the seed is the word of the kingdom (gospel). The seed falls on different types of soil. Who makes the soil good?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Would you say that the Rocky Soil needed God's help?

The rocky soil person is lost. Unless they repent.. But I think Jesus is talking about the big picture

In the Last Days he will remove your heart of Stone and give you a Heart of flesh. Why would God send the Gift of Faith, without removing your heart of Stone?

He spoke of Israel in this passage. They are in rebellion now. In the end as Paul said in rom 11. They will see and repent. And be saved

 

[ReverendRV]

The rocky soil person is lost. Unless they repent.. But I think Jesus is talking about the big picture

He spoke of Israel in this passage. They are in rebellion now. In the end as Paul said in rom 11. They will see and repent. And be saved

Since the Rocky Soil is Lost, why do you say it has Faith?

Anyway, Jesus meant this in an Old Covenant way. The people he told the Parable to, had the Rocky heart Ezekiel is talking about; he's speaking about them; they would have known this...

 

[David1701]

For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Why? If many are called, why are only a few chosen?
How does this work?

That's the external call of gospel preaching. Many are called, but few of those are chosen ones (elect).

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Since the Rocky Soil is Lost, why do you say it has Faith?

Where did I say it had faith. I believe I said they did not have faith (saving faith)

Anyway, Jesus meant this in an Old Covenant way. The people he told the Parable to, had the Rocky heart Ezekiel is talking about; he's speaking about them; they would have known this...

He gave 4 examples. If he is just talking to one group. It would be odd..

 

[ReverendRV]

Where did I say it had faith. I believe I said they did not have faith (saving faith)

He gave 4 examples. If he is just talking to one group. It would be odd..

You said in Post 12, they recieved Christ; that's through Faith, right? How about the Weedy Soil then?

Jeremiah 4:3 NIV; This is what the LORD says to the people of Judah and to Jerusalem: “Break up your unplowed ground and do not sow among thorns.

Hebrews 6:8 NIV; But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

Ellicott's Commentary Sow not among thorns.--Not without a special interest as, perhaps, containing the germ of the Parable of the Sower in Matthew 13:7. Here, as there, the seed is the "word of God," spoken by the prophet, and taking root in the heart, and the thorns are the "cares of this world," the selfish desires which choke the good seed and render it unfruitful.

Jeremiah 4:3 - God Calls Israel by His Promise

For this is what the LORD says to the men of Judah and Jerusalem: Break up your unplowed ground, and do not sow among the thorns.

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