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John 9:4

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John 9:4 NKJV; I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.


What is 'The Night when no one can Work'?

I say it's the Church Age of Grace Alone...


What do you say it means?
 
John 9:4 NKJV; I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.


What is 'The Night when no one can Work'?

I say it's the Church Age of Grace Alone...


What do you say it means?
I think it is the time on the Cross when "darkness covered the land". Matthew 27:45 Mark 15:33

Jesus had been teaching, healing, performing miracles, iow. doing the works of God the Father. But on the Cross, He literally had to hang there and wait upon the Father's judgement.
 
I think it is the time on the Cross when "darkness covered the land". Matthew 27:45 Mark 15:33

Jesus had been teaching, healing, performing miracles, iow. doing the works of God the Father. But on the Cross, He literally had to hang there and wait upon the Father's judgement.
Thanks. I suppose I should clarify what I say this 'Work' is. A Work is Law Keeping. Jesus said there is a Day coming when no one can Work. I doubt the Cross qualifies in light of this. Jesus said the Law is summed up by Loving God with all your Heart; surely Christ was still Working while on the Cross. This expected Day 'fits' the Church Age quite well, don't you think? A Day when we're Saved "Not by Works lest we boast "...
 
John 9:4 NKJV; I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.


What is 'The Night when no one can Work'?

I say it's the Church Age of Grace Alone...


What do you say it means?
Notice in verse one, Jesus passed by a blind man.
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him
. John 9:1-3

So, I think since Jesus was getting ready to perform a miracle while the time for this is still in effect, I think the night is the heading towards his crucifixion, during that time his power to perform miracles will be restrained.

When Judas betrayed him When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness. Luke 22:53.

Jesus mentions the darkness when he was betrayed.


My two cents...
 
Notice in verse one, Jesus passed by a blind man.
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him
. John 9:1-3

So, I think since Jesus was getting ready to perform a miracle while the time for this is still in effect, I think the night is the heading towards his crucifixion, during that time his power to perform miracles will be restrained.

When Judas betrayed him When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness. Luke 22:53.

Jesus mentions the darkness when he was betrayed.


My two cents...
This is good, but it's not where I am going. Jesus didn't drink the Gall mixed with Vinegar while on the Cross; he Kept the Law by not drinking it...

No one can Work now; there is no Temple to make Sacrfices in. Even Jesus wouldn't be able to Work today. We should be glad it's the Night...
 
This is good, but it's not where I am going. Jesus didn't drink the Gall mixed with Vinegar while on the Cross; he Kept the Law by not drinking it...

No one can Work now; there is no Temple to make Sacrfices in. Even Jesus wouldn't be able to Work today. We should be glad it's the Night...
Strong Drink ~ by ReverendRV * October 5

Matthew 27:34 KJV
; They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he tasted thereof, he would not drink.

At the end of his life, Jesus was arrested and tried by a kangaroo court. In order to convict him of a false crime, his accusers had to pay Witnesses to Lie. As Punishment, Jesus was scourged nearly to death by the whip. He was brought to Pontius Pilate who found no guilt in him; but because of a loophole, Jesus was Crucified. The charge against him was written on his Cross; ‘Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews”. His accusers resented this because they charged him with Blasphemy for making himself out to be God, but Rome charged him with Sedition. Pilate said what he had written would remain. ~ The word Excruciating began because of Crucifixion; it means ‘out of the Cross’. Jesus was in an agony that few can express. It was the custom of the Romans to medicate those who were dying on a cross, by mixing a strong drink. They dipped a sponge into a mixture consisting of sour wine and water; cut with a Sedative which was probably Myrrh. The guards would reach the sponge to him but Jesus refused it; how many of us would have lapped it up?! It was crucial to Jesus that he not be intoxicated, which leads to debauchery

This brings to Mind a couple of things. In the movie ‘The Shootist’ we find John Wayne’s character dying from Cancer. Through the movie he would depend on Laudanum, a mixture of Alcohol and Opium; to continue on long enough to die in a gunfight because he wouldn’t take his own life. Personally, I have known people who have a regular mixture of pain killers they request from the doctor, calling this their ‘cocktail’ for pain relief. ~ The Bible says that Jesus was Tempted in ALL ways, yet without Sinning; oh how he must have wanted to drink it and numb the pain?! We want to numb the pain of the Sins we bear. Love does no harm; have you ever harmed anyone? Has anyone ever harmed you and you wished you could harm them back? Jesus said that Hatred is Murder committed in your heart. Even while Jesus was hanging on the Cross for our Sin, he did not hate us; how could he hate us when he sacrificed himself for us while we were yet Sinners? He was harmed because of us, because of what we did…

If you die a Sinner, you will go to Hell. Do not be drunk on wine but be filled with the Holy Spirit! Put your Faith in the Risen Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and all your Sins will be Forgiven. You will be Born Again; like becoming a new wineskin which is filled with new wine. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in the risen Savior Jesus Christ, without Works lest we should boast. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God; and go to Church. ~ If you need help giving up strong drink, search for a Church which sponsors a Reformers Unanimous or Celebrate Recovery Addictions program. By the Grace of God the Church has many people who have changed their lives with help from their new brethren…

1st Corinthians 6:11 KJV; And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
 
Thanks. I suppose I should clarify what I say this 'Work' is. A Work is Law Keeping. Jesus said there is a Day coming when no one can Work. I doubt the Cross qualifies in light of this. Jesus said the Law is summed up by Loving God with all your Heart; surely Christ was still Working while on the Cross. This expected Day 'fits' the Church Age quite well, don't you think? A Day when we're Saved "Not by Works lest we boast "...
Thankyou for the clarification but I'm not sure the "works" Jesus was speaking of were in fact the "works of the Law". Two reasons.

1. Jesus also said when responding to the disciples about what works God requires ...

John 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Obviously as our example of the perfect human being, Christ wasn't having faith in Himself but in the Father hence, the works of teaching etc flowed from His ministry.

2. Jesus also said, referring to those who would follow ...

John 14:12
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

I think these verses show "works" does not always mean Law keeping therefore I do not believe Jesus was referring to the Law or the keeping of the Law but rather to His ministry (teaching, healing etc), a ministry born of faith in the Father.

However, having said the above, I certainly do agree with you that we are most assuredly not saved by works. :)
 
Thankyou for the clarification but I'm not sure the "works" Jesus was speaking of were in fact the "works of the Law". Two reasons.

1. Jesus also said when responding to the disciples about what works God requires ...

John 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Obviously as our example of the perfect human being, Christ wasn't having faith in Himself but in the Father hence, the works of teaching etc flowed from His ministry.

2. Jesus also said, referring to those who would follow ...

John 14:12
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

I think these verses show "works" does not always mean Law keeping therefore I do not believe Jesus was referring to the Law or the keeping of the Law but rather to His ministry (teaching, healing etc), a ministry born of faith in the Father.

However, having said the above, I certainly do agree with you that we are most assuredly not saved by works. :)
Amen. I know there are two Biblical Categories of Works; "Not of Works" and "Works we're Created/Born Again for". I'm not against Works after we're Saved, but we should realize the difference between Pre and Post Salvific Works...

But to clarify what I mean, Jesus said there is coming a Day no one can Work. You and I agree there is coming a Day; or has already came. If you are not used to me, I stick with a point and will not stray. There IS a Day coming no one can Work. Since Jews cannot Sacrifice in the Temple; in a sense that Day HAS come...
 
John 9:4 NKJV; I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.


What is 'The Night when no one can Work'?

I say it's the Church Age of Grace Alone...


What do you say it means?
Hi Rev,

I thought of -

`But you, brethren are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. ` (1 Thess. 5: 4 & 5)
 
Hi Rev,

I thought of -

`But you, brethren are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. ` (1 Thess. 5: 4 & 5)
I think everybody in the Church agrees that your Verse is about the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ. I don't think the topic of you're Verse and my Verse are the same...

My Verse is about a time when people believed in a Works righteousness. I believe my Verse is about a Day that Working for Righteousness will end...
 
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John 9:4 NKJV; I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.


What is 'The Night when no one can Work'?

I say it's the Church Age of Grace Alone...


What do you say it means?
`But you, brethren are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. ` (1 Thess. 5: 4 & 5)

Light, day - grace.

darkness, night - tribulation.
 
John 9:4 NKJV; I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.


What is 'The Night when no one can Work'?

I say it's the Church Age of Grace Alone...


What do you say it means?
First of all, it isn’t “I must work”, it is “We”, ἡμᾶς. This correlates with the wholistic meaning of “no man can work” in the second clause.

But to the point of your OP, I read this as we have to take the opportunity of doing the work of God whenever we have the chance (the day), because the time is coming, perhaps quickly, that night will fall when we will not be able to do anything because the opportunity is past.

This was a situational ministry event, the disciples point out the man to seek an answer to a theological question regarding a theological assumption that was wrong, namely, that blindness is the result of someone’s sin.

There are opportunities all around us, and when they present themselves, we should take advantage of them.

Some use a similar approach saying “day” equals “life”, and “night” is death, when our opportunity to work is finished.

Doug
 
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