Jesus the guarantor

[Carbon]

Hebrews 7:22.
This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.

According to scripture, the elect’s believing, repenting and obedience, do belong to the promissory part of the covenant of grace between the Father and the Son.
The elect are benefits promised in the covenant by God unto Christ the Surety, as a reward of fulfilling of the condition of the covenant.

Christ offered himself without spot to God.
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

The first covenant was made without a priest, “because then there was no sin to take away.”
But the second covenant was a covenant of peace and reconciliation between an offended God and sinners.
In order to bear the magnitude of God’s wrath, his human nature needed more fortitude than a common man, therefore his divine nature had to support and fortify his human nature so that he would not succumb under this burden. How God supports human nature in such a fashion exceeds our comprehension.
John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Christ was trusted with the conferring on the elect the benefits purchased by his obedience and death.
Matt 11:27-28
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[Deleted member 6]

Amen, amen, amen.

 

[ReverendRV]

I have liked the idea of Jesus being the Guarantor, since after I got Saved. Shortly after my Faith in Christ, I started to doubt; how could I know??

Then I read that, "He who Promised is Faithful". That's our Guarantor's Promise! I have never had a doubt since. Why trust Jesus a little bit, if you can't Trust him all the way?

I am not the Guarantor of the New Covenant; and boy, am I glad...

 

[Josheb]

Hebrews 7:22.
This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.

According to scripture, the elect’s believing, repenting and obedience, do belong to the promissory part of the covenant of grace between the Father and the Son.
The elect are benefits promised in the covenant by God unto Christ the Surety, as a reward of fulfilling of the condition of the covenant.

Christ offered himself without spot to God.
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

The first covenant was made without a priest, “because then there was no sin to take away.”
But the second covenant was a covenant of peace and reconciliation between an offended God and sinners.
In order to bear the magnitude of God’s wrath, his human nature needed more fortitude than a common man, therefore his divine nature had to support and fortify his human nature so that he would not succumb under this burden. How God supports human nature in such a fashion exceeds our comprehension.
John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Christ was trusted with the conferring on the elect the benefits purchased by his obedience and death.
Matt 11:27-28
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

This mention of a "better covenant" occurs within the context of scripture rarely using the word "covenant" in the plural form. The covenants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses (and to some extent Noah) are typically spoken of by God as a single covenant. Furthermore, this "better covenant" is the one found in Christ and according to Jesus all the Law, prophets, and psalms (ie., the other covenant) testify about Jesus and the better covenant found in him.

So I recommend everyone do a quick word study on this before they begin contributing to the thread and the thread gets too long.

 

[brightfame52]

Hebrews 7:22.
This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.

According to scripture, the elect’s believing, repenting and obedience, do belong to the promissory part of the covenant of grace between the Father and the Son.
The elect are benefits promised in the covenant by God unto Christ the Surety, as a reward of fulfilling of the condition of the covenant.

Christ offered himself without spot to God.
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

The first covenant was made without a priest, “because then there was no sin to take away.”
But the second covenant was a covenant of peace and reconciliation between an offended God and sinners.
In order to bear the magnitude of God’s wrath, his human nature needed more fortitude than a common man, therefore his divine nature had to support and fortify his human nature so that he would not succumb under this burden. How God supports human nature in such a fashion exceeds our comprehension.
John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Christ was trusted with the conferring on the elect the benefits purchased by his obedience and death.
Matt 11:27-28
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

So when did Christ become the surety of the better covenant ? Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament/covenant.

 

[Carbon]

So when did Christ become the surety of the better covenant ? Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament/covenant.

Depends how far back you want to go.

In eternity because it was already decided and since Jesus is God, he cannot fail.

Or, at his incarnation, death and resurrection.

 

[ReverendRV]

Depends how far back you want to go.

In eternity because it was already decided and since Jesus is God, he cannot fail.

Or, at his incarnation, death and resurrection.

I love these questions that can be answered in more than one way. Covenant Theology teaches us about the Eternal Covenant of Redemption, where Jesus agreed to be our Savior before the world began. But he also became our Surety by rising from the Dead; having an indestructible Life...

 

[Carbon]

I love these questions that can be answered in more than one way. Covenant Theology teaches us about the Eternal Covenant of Redemption, where Jesus agreed to be our Savior before the world began. But he also became our Surety by rising from the Dead; having an indestructible Life...

Amen!

 

[ReverendRV]

Amen!

Sola Christus!

 

[brightfame52]

Depends how far back you want to go.

In eternity because it was already decided and since Jesus is God, he cannot fail.

Or, at his incarnation, death and resurrection.

I believe He was made Surety from everlasting Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant

Prov 8:22-23

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Mich 5:2

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

 

[Carbon]

I believe He was made Surety from everlasting Heb 13:20

Can’t deny that.

 

[brightfame52]

Can’t deny that.

With that in mind, when were the sins and condemnation of the elect His responsibility ?

 

[ReverendRV]

With that in mind, when were the sins and condemnation of the elect His responsibility ?

From Eternity...

Otherwise, he wouldn't have Covenanted with his Father to be the Sacrifice for Sin. A Covenant is a Responsibility...

But Jesus "Owned" the Responsibility for our Sin, while on the Cross; not before...

He became our Surety when he arose from the Dead. He is our Surety by interceding in Heaven. Because he Lives, I can face tomorrow...

As a Hollywood Producer is the Guarantor a Movie will be made, Jesus Christ is the Guarantor of the New Covenant; and of my Salvation...

 

[brightfame52]

reverendrv

But Jesus "Owned" the Responsibility for our Sin, while on the Cross; not before...

I disagree, I believe He owned it when He made the covenant, and before He became incarnate Heb 10:5-10

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Jn 10:18

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

He became our Surety when he arose from the Dead.

I disagree, it was way before that, He died as a Surety.

 

[ReverendRV]

reverendrv



I disagree, I believe He owned it when He made the covenant, and before He became incarnate Heb 10:5-10

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Jn 10:18

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


I disagree, it was way before that, He died as a Surety.

Perhaps it would be better to say Jesus Owned Responsibility for Sin while on the Cross, because he Purchased us there. He was a Substitute then and there...

I think it would be a mistake to insist that Jesus was Responsible only once...

He's Responsible now too...

 

[brightfame52]

Perhaps it would be better to say Jesus Owned Responsibility for Sin while on the Cross, because he Purchased us there. He was a Substitute then and there...

I think it would be a mistake to insist that Jesus was Responsible only once...

Well you certainly entitled to your opinion, you know where I stand and why.

 

[Carbon]

With that in mind, when were the sins and condemnation of the elect His responsibility ?

As soon as the Trinity agreed on it.
I know it would be easy to say, somewhere in eternity, which is also true. But since it is eternity, it's God's secret council. And since God is not judged by time, in this sense it always was. But I do not understand eternity, I do not have the capacity, and I cant contain it. That's God's business.

@ReverendRV what's your thoughts?

 

[brightfame52]

As soon as the Trinity agreed on it.
I know it would be easy to say, somewhere in eternity, which is also true. But since it is eternity, it's God's secret council. And since God is not judged by time, in this sense it always was. But I do not understand eternity, I do not have the capacity, and I cant contain it. That's God's business.

@ReverendRV what's your thoughts?

I believe it was in eternity as well, thus the everlasting covenant. So with that in mind, when were the elect held responsible for their sins and condemnation before God ?

 

[Carbon]

So with that in mind, when were the elect held responsible for their sins and condemnation before God ?

Again, I will have to say when Adam transgressed. Since he was our head.
To go beyond that is being in a position that no man can really know, let alone explain.

I’m not quite getting the purpose of your line of questions. .

 

[ReverendRV]

As soon as the Trinity agreed on it.
I know it would be easy to say, somewhere in eternity, which is also true. But since it is eternity, it's God's secret council. And since God is not judged by time, in this sense it always was. But I do not understand eternity, I do not have the capacity, and I cant contain it. That's God's business.

@ReverendRV what's your thoughts?

I agree. At the end of the day, I think our Sin was his Responsibility in the Past, Present and Future...