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God’s Baldheaded Prophet

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Reformation Rumblings
BUFF SCOTT, JR.
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NEVER POKE FUN AT A
Baldheaded Prophet

In the town of Jericho lived a bunch of naughty boys whose upbringing was in doubt. They were ill-mannered and abusive. They lacked social graces. A man of God, apparently baldheaded, had left Jericho and was on his way to Bethel. On the road, after a short distance out, he was confronted by this group of defiant lads who came out of the city and began ridiculing him.

At this juncture, the event becomes strikingly interesting. These vile youths called out to the man of God, mocking him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go on up, you baldhead!” Adam Clarke, Hebrew Scholar, says the actual translation is, “Ascend, you empty skull, to heaven.” The prophet Elisha turned around to face them. He then called down judgment upon them in the name of the Lord—or as the scripture recounts the event, “He cursed them in the name of the Lord”—that is, “He called down a curse upon them.”

I suspect that at this point these young unruly boys looked around and, scared out of their wits, began running. “Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys” [2 Kings 2:23-25].

Forty-two?
Were there more than forty-two? We’re not told exactly, but the implication is there. If a few escaped, why? Might it have been that the Lord saw an element of good in them, something worthy of His attention? Possibly.

Considering our own youthful and rebellious days, I am convinced that if the Lord had not seen something in us worthy of His attention, some trait He could cultivate and use to His own glory, He would have possibly wiped us off the face of the earth long ago. And for His grace, we thank Him every day of our lives—or at least should. King David’s words about himself are relevant for our day, “Remember not the sins of my youth and my rebellious ways, O Lord” [Psalm 25:7].

Down through the history of humankind, however, in every generation, there has been an evil segment of civilization, young and old alike, that blasphemes all that they do not understand. There seems to be no hope of recovery among this class of evildoers—and nothing good seems to be found in any of them, as Paul indicates in Romans 1. Jude speaks of chronic evildoers as...

...waterless clouds, swept along by winds, fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.”

Our own generation is perhaps the worst of all generations. The dumbing down of morals is the order of the day. Spiritual and political corruptions are everywhere. All we need do is take a hard look at the Vatican and her clerics, even her Popes, plus Washington, D.C. In the main, our current generation has been lost to ignorance, immorality, and stupidity. And almost every day we read of another Hollywood celebrity who “falls from grace” and lands in the sewer of immorality. Such behavior is rarely criticized by the unprincipled liberal media. Instead, it is glamorized as though it is a suitable way of life.

And “social graces”? They’re almost non-existent among the younger generation. The universal admonition goes unheeded, “Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God” [Lev. 19:32]. Defiant young people, cast your eyes toward the woods, for Elisha’s “bears” are on their way! Never mock a baldheaded prophet or behave like a “Quack, Quack” duck.

Is there no solution? There will be no end to the trend our generation is experiencing until morality and godliness become the centerpieces of American family life again. For when depravity replaces godliness and morality, as is being done in America, the mortician may soon call for the corpse.​
 
Reformation Rumblings
BUFF SCOTT, JR.
___________

NEVER POKE FUN AT A


Baldheaded Prophet

In the town of Jericho lived a bunch of naughty boys whose upbringing was in doubt. They were ill-mannered and abusive. They lacked social graces. A man of God, apparently baldheaded, had left Jericho and was on his way to Bethel. On the road, after a short distance out, he was confronted by this group of defiant lads who came out of the city and began ridiculing him.

At this juncture, the event becomes strikingly interesting. These vile youths called out to the man of God, mocking him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go on up, you baldhead!” Adam Clarke, Hebrew Scholar, says the actual translation is, “Ascend, you empty skull, to heaven.” The prophet Elisha turned around to face them. He then called down judgment upon them in the name of the Lord—or as the scripture recounts the event, “He cursed them in the name of the Lord”—that is, “He called down a curse upon them.”

I suspect that at this point....​
Is there a specific theological question to be answered or specific theological point to be discussed? If so then perhaps that could be cited succinctly so interested parties will better understand.
 
Is there a specific theological question to be answered or specific theological point to be discussed? If so then perhaps that could be cited succinctly so interested parties will better understand.
I posted that under the Theology sector for general review.
 
I posted that under the Theology sector for general review.
Please remember CCCF is a discussion board forum, and the purpose of the forum is to create discussion, to suggest, assert, or offer points of comment or inquiry that will promote conversation.

Is this op an article you have posted in a blog or other web location where others can visit, view, and discuss it? If so, then link to it. CCCF members may wish to visit your site and/or comment there. If you like, I can possibly have the opening post moved to the Bible Study board (where it might be better placed and serve conversation). Or...

Pick something from the relevant scripture and ask a theological question ;). Then let the discussion ensue ! :cool:
 
Josheb:

Thanks for the Policy information, of which I was not aware. I will adhere to the policies you shared with me. Feel free to move the opening post, if that will help. Thank you & God bless.
 
Josheb:

Thanks for the Policy information, of which I was not aware. I will adhere to the policies you shared with me. Feel free to move the opening post, if that will help. Thank you & God bless.
After reviewing the post and others like it in this board (I see you have a few other opening posts of similar content), I'll leave this one and the other similar threads here but please consider the best board for these types of posts in the future. The Bible Study and Devotions boards (when we get one up ;)) are the best boards for posts that are not intended to generate discussion. I'll stick a note in the rules so everyone else is mindful of this. Thank you for the understanding and acceptance.
 
Is there a specific theological question to be answered or specific theological point to be discussed? If so then perhaps that could be cited succinctly so interested parties will better understand.
Ummmm. ????

I understood this prefectly and was about to give Buff 2 thumbs up.
 
Reformation Rumblings
BUFF SCOTT, JR.
___________

NEVER POKE FUN AT A


Baldheaded Prophet

In the town of Jericho lived a bunch of naughty boys whose upbringing was in doubt. They were ill-mannered and abusive. They lacked social graces. A man of God, apparently baldheaded, had left Jericho and was on his way to Bethel. On the road, after a short distance out, he was confronted by this group of defiant lads who came out of the city and began ridiculing him.

At this juncture, the event becomes strikingly interesting. These vile youths called out to the man of God, mocking him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go on up, you baldhead!” Adam Clarke, Hebrew Scholar, says the actual translation is, “Ascend, you empty skull, to heaven.” The prophet Elisha turned around to face them. He then called down judgment upon them in the name of the Lord—or as the scripture recounts the event, “He cursed them in the name of the Lord”—that is, “He called down a curse upon them.”

I suspect that at this point these young unruly boys looked around and, scared out of their wits, began running. “Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys” [2 Kings 2:23-25].

Forty-two?
Were there more than forty-two? We’re not told exactly, but the implication is there. If a few escaped, why? Might it have been that the Lord saw an element of good in them, something worthy of His attention? Possibly.

Considering our own youthful and rebellious days, I am convinced that if the Lord had not seen something in us worthy of His attention, some trait He could cultivate and use to His own glory, He would have possibly wiped us off the face of the earth long ago. And for His grace, we thank Him every day of our lives—or at least should. King David’s words about himself are relevant for our day, “Remember not the sins of my youth and my rebellious ways, O Lord” [Psalm 25:7].

Down through the history of humankind, however, in every generation, there has been an evil segment of civilization, young and old alike, that blasphemes all that they do not understand. There seems to be no hope of recovery among this class of evildoers—and nothing good seems to be found in any of them, as Paul indicates in Romans 1. Jude speaks of chronic evildoers as...

...waterless clouds, swept along by winds, fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.”

Our own generation is perhaps the worst of all generations. The dumbing down of morals is the order of the day. Spiritual and political corruptions are everywhere. All we need do is take a hard look at the Vatican and her clerics, even her Popes, plus Washington, D.C. In the main, our current generation has been lost to ignorance, immorality, and stupidity. And almost every day we read of another Hollywood celebrity who “falls from grace” and lands in the sewer of immorality. Such behavior is rarely criticized by the unprincipled liberal media. Instead, it is glamorized as though it is a suitable way of life.

And “social graces”? They’re almost non-existent among the younger generation. The universal admonition goes unheeded, “Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God” [Lev. 19:32]. Defiant young people, cast your eyes toward the woods, for Elisha’s “bears” are on their way! Never mock a baldheaded prophet or behave like a “Quack, Quack” duck.

Is there no solution? There will be no end to the trend our generation is experiencing until morality and godliness become the centerpieces of American family life again. For when depravity replaces godliness and morality, as is being done in America, the mortician may soon call for the corpse.​
Buff,

Thank you. Well stated. (y)(y)
 
Does there need to be? Are theological opinions not encouraged?
What is the theological question specified in this opening post?
 
What is the theological question specified in this opening post?
Well, as you asked a question to my question without an answer to mine if theological opinions are not encouraged in the theological forum?

Does there need to be? Are theological opinions not encouraged?

I will answer your's. Even at the risk of it not being dogmatically theological

Last paragraph in the OP states......
"Is there no solution? There will be no end to the trend our generation is experiencing until morality and godliness become the centerpieces of American family life again. For when depravity replaces godliness and morality, as is being done in America, the mortician may soon call for the corpse."

UMMMMMM ~ on second thought I better not because if I get into ..... oh what the heck....

Can you offer an answer to the question as to how we can reinstate morality and yes, godliness back into the core of the American Family. For without godliness we are nothing and certainly not His if we continue to ignore every solid downfall of the human race that God designed and created that Satan... or someone.... has managed to tear apart... that are mentioned above from the start of the OP to the end.

This entire OP piece has theology at its very core and you... all of you ... were asked a simple question Is there no solution and I want to be a fly on the wall one day when God asks you why didn't you try and you said.... But it was only an opinion piece... I did not think it applied.
 
I will answer your's. Even at the risk of it not being dogmatically theological

Last paragraph in the OP states...... "Is there no solution? There will be no end to the trend our generation is experiencing until morality and godliness become the centerpieces of American family life again. For when depravity replaces godliness and morality, as is being done in America, the mortician may soon call for the corpse."
Great. Very much appreciated.

What is the theological relevance to this question and the two sentences that followed it?

What trend? What makes you think there will be no end to the trend? What makes you think the coming of morality and godliness will put an end to the trend. Can you see the implied contradiction between "there will be no end" and "the end will come when X happens"? When and where does depravity replace godliness? Is that scriptural?

Is this op intended to be a rag on American society? If so, then that should have been specified in the opening post. Theologically, there is a large swath of Christendom that views the world in pessimistic terms, believing the world is going to hell in a handbasket by God's wish, and there's nothing the Church can or should about it. There is also a large swath of Christianity that views the world in positive terms, believing the power of God is almighty and the gospel will prove victorious. I happen to be among the optimists.
UMMMMMM ~ on second thought I better not because if I get into ..... oh what the heck....
What you should do is just discuss the op and stop injecting non sequiturs that don't help anyone. Just say what you mean. Answer questions asked when asked and offer op-relevant commentary as the conversation warrants.
Can you offer an answer to the question as to how we can reinstate morality and yes, godliness back into the core of the American Family.
Sure. I do it every day. I read my Bible every day and purpose to apply it to every thought, choice, and act as I go about my day. I teach directly and indirectly both the letter and the principles found in God's word in every interaction I have with others, whether they be Christians or not. I believe the cultural mandate and the great commission have never been revoked and I believe I am an adopted son of The Most High God and I will be victorious over all that God brings me when I venture out of my door each day. I understand I am not responsible for the entire planet. The earth is God's not mine. I am simply a steward of the small sliver He has provided me, and I have everything I need to serve Him.
For without godliness we are nothing and certainly not His if we continue to ignore every solid downfall of the human race that God designed and created that Satan... or someone.... has managed to tear apart... that are mentioned above from the start of the OP to the end.
I do not think it very godly to err toward pessimism.

If I have misunderstood the posts then please clarify them because I do not read a lot of victory in these posts. The incident involving the bald-headed prophet is one of victory, not depravity. It seems very odd to me to view it otherwise.
This entire OP piece has theology at its very core...
That has yet to be shown, imo.
and you... all of you ... were asked a simple question Is there no solution and I want to be a fly on the wall one day when God asks you why didn't you try and you said....
Ah, I see, so we're the bad guys.
But it was only an opinion piece... I did not think it applied.
Which is it: theology at its core, or an opinion piece.

Do you understand sound theology is not an opinion?
 
Great. Very much appreciated.

What is the theological relevance to this question and the two sentences that followed it?

What trend? What makes you think there will be no end to the trend? What makes you think the coming of morality and godliness will put an end to the trend. Can you see the implied contradiction between "there will be no end" and "the end will come when X happens"? When and where does depravity replace godliness? Is that scriptural?

Is this op intended to be a rag on American society? If so, then that should have been specified in the opening post. Theologically, there is a large swath of Christendom that views the world in pessimistic terms, believing the world is going to hell in a handbasket by God's wish, and there's nothing the Church can or should about it. There is also a large swath of Christianity that views the world in positive terms, believing the power of God is almighty and the gospel will prove victorious. I happen to be among the optimists.

What you should do is just discuss the op and stop injecting non sequiturs that don't help anyone. Just say what you mean. Answer questions asked when asked and offer op-relevant commentary as the conversation warrants.

Sure. I do it every day. I read my Bible every day and purpose to apply it to every thought, choice, and act as I go about my day. I teach directly and indirectly both the letter and the principles found in God's word in every interaction I have with others, whether they be Christians or not. I believe the cultural mandate and the great commission have never been revoked and I believe I am an adopted son of The Most High God and I will be victorious over all that God brings me when I venture out of my door each day. I understand I am not responsible for the entire planet. The earth is God's not mine. I am simply a steward of the small sliver He has provided me, and I have everything I need to serve Him.

I do not think it very godly to err toward pessimism.

If I have misunderstood the posts then please clarify them because I do not read a lot of victory in these posts. The incident involving the bald-headed prophet is one of victory, not depravity. It seems very odd to me to view it otherwise.

That has yet to be shown, imo.

Ah, I see, so we're the bad guys.

Which is it: theology at its core, or an opinion piece.

Do you understand sound theology is not an opinion?
I understand sound theology does not need a discussion board to debate one side against another. We should all be in agreement and tuning in here with our speakers on high singing Kumbaya. But it is not going to happen. Ever.

I had been often screeching at the top of my fingertips..... at another place that we are so close to the end of this age because of the acceptance by many quasi Christians to all things woke... including the church mine split from was just hastening the pace. And it fell on deaf ears.

I have no problem with that but others do... our soon departure..
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.. and the disclaimers and oh nos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that came from that crowd that we have not even come to the edge of being as bad as Sodom and Gomorra therefore it was their contention we are at least 300 years away...

I digress, admittedly.

So we have an op that the first half relays a sad story with a happy ending.... I consider the bears a really happy and just correction of those 42.
Am I judging. I hope not because something had to be done and our Lord saw to it.

That certainly is theological.

Perhaps I should ask the question about opinions on whether the bears came from above and if it was a just judgement on the 42?

Consider it asked. And consider it asked how God wants us to handle little girls and little boys being surgically altered because I can assure you He does care... and if God is in the mix... is that not a theological subject. Is only things talked about in the foru corners ofd the 66 books of the Protestant bible worth of conversation.

Ummmm.. Don't get me wrong... I fully understand your wanting to have a properly posted forum where questions are asked and opinions preferably with biblical references are provided as answers. There is nothing wrong with that...

I can try. But best if I stay away from the theological end of things altogether... which I will endeavor to do.

Stay blessed

Rella
 
I suspect that at this point these young unruly boys looked around and, scared out of their wits, began running. “Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys” [2 Kings 2:23-25].
Hello Buff, I see no indication in the Text that the "boys" (Rabbinic tradition refers to them as "young men" instead) were "scared out of their wits", or that they "began running" when Elisha cursed them (it's hard enough to believe that two bears could have mauled 42 of them, and even harder to believe if they had already taken off running before they got there).

The other thing is this, it seems to me that these "boys" or "lads" were most likely larger, older teens (as the Hebrew certainly allows for and as Rabbinic Judaism suggests). So, can you imagine what it must have been like for Elisha (who, as far as we know, was walking by himself) to have a gang of that size (of large and unruly boys) come upon him suddenly, calling out for him to be "taken up"? (calling out for his death, in essence).

Finally, I believe that the "boys" calling out for Elisha to be "taken up" tells us that they knew exactly who and what he was (because Elisha was there when Elijah had recently been "taken up" to Heaven in a Chariot of Fire by the Lord), which also means that they knew exactly what they were doing when they threatened and mocked the Lord's prophet.

Forty-two? Were there more than forty-two? We’re not told exactly, but the implication is there. If a few escaped, why? Might it have been that the Lord saw an element of good in them, something worthy of His attention? Possibly.
An "element of good in them"? What :unsure: (and again, that two bears could maul/kill 42 seems hard to believe, especially if they were running away as the OP suggests)

Considering our own youthful and rebellious days, I am convinced that if the Lord had not seen something in us worthy of His attention, some trait He could cultivate and use to His own glory, He would have possibly wiped us off the face of the earth long ago. And for His grace, we thank Him every day of our lives—or at least should. King David’s words about himself are relevant for our day, “Remember not the sins of my youth and my rebellious ways, O Lord” [Psalm 25:7].
So, did God actually save us "graciously" (by His UN-merited favor towards us alone), or was it because He saw something "worthy" in us that was worth saving, that He felt obligated to at least try to save :unsure: (it cannot be both).

Further, since ALL of us, both saint and reprobate alike, have and/or will glorify God, I don't believe that having something inherent in us that is somehow "worthy" is a requirement for that (which seems a good thing, considering what the Bible has to say about us in this regard .. e.g. Romans 3:10-12; Ephesians 2:1-3) 😳

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - those who hate God, the Bible and Christianity LOVE this little passage, a story that they would have us believe amounted to God killing 42 toddlers, or at best, children who were barely out of diapers ;)
 
Perhaps I should ask the question about opinions on whether the bears came from above and if it was a just judgement on the 42?
Perhaps some of the questions I asked in the last post should be answered.
I can try. But best if I stay away from the theological end of things altogether... which I will endeavor to do.
This is the Theological Questions board. I WANT you to embrace the subject of the board, ask a theological question and discuss it with some modicum of parity (asserting your views, opening them up to inquiry, and doing the same with others) as long as you stay within the specified topic of the board and the subject of the op.
 
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