Galatians' justification

[HIM]

Galatians' justified, being made righteous or deemed righteous in chapter 2 verse 17 is being spoken in the subjunctive mood. The mood of possibilities not the indicative, as a done deal, a fact. This is shown by the use of the word "might" in verse 16, in the clause "might be justified (made righteous)" as in not yet but can happen in the KJV. Couple that with verse 17 where it says, 'while we seek to be justified'. This is being spoken in the Infinitive mood. This is brought out by the use of the words "to be" as in not yet but to be. This shows us here in Galatians that justified, being made righteous or deemed righteous in Galatians is not a done deal it is a process. This justification (being made righteous) is not of ourselves but out of the faith of Christ and can only be done through us believing INTO Christ as verse 2:16 states. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ as verse 3:27 states and Romans 6. And we are not children of God or Justified by OUR faith but by the faith of Christ which we partake of in Christ having put Him on. Because we have His spirit as verse 3:2 states. And this is stated in relation to verse 2:20 where it says we are dead but live. Yet NOT US but Christ Jesus. And the LIFE WE now LIVE is BY THE FAITH OF the Son of God who gave himself. If we are living by the faith of Christ we are living by His spirit. For being In Him and He in us we are seeking to be justified, made righteous.

Living through Christ and His faith; the way He believed we are made righteous, But if we are found sinners while we are seeking to be made righteous, justified is Christ the minister of sin since we now have Him in us and we in Him? God forbid! How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therein. If I build, sin again after it has been destroyed,Vs. 2:17 the old man being crucified with Him, that the body of sin be destroyed I make myself a transgressor.

We now live in the flesh through the Faith OF the Son of God, 2:20 For it is written, the Just shall live by His Faith not through the flesh and it's works. So let not the things of the flesh be once named among you. Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. So we can not do the things that we would. Amen
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by (OUT) the works of the law, but by (THROUGH) the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in (INTO) Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by (OUT OF) the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by (THROUGH) the faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Eleanor]

Galatians' justified, being made righteous or deemed righteous in chapter 2 verse 17 is being spoken in the subjunctive mood. The mood of possibilities not the indicative, as a done deal, a fact. This is shown by the use of the word "might" in verse 16, in the clause "might be justified (made righteous)" as in not yet but can happen in the KJV. Couple that with verse 17 where it says, 'while we seek to be justified'. This is being spoken in the Infinitive mood. This is brought out by the use of the words "to be" as in not yet but to be. This shows us here in Galatians that justified, being made righteous or deemed righteous in Galatians is not a done deal it is a process.

In context, where Paul is opposing works to faith in justification in his correction of Peter,
"might be" is as in "in order to be". . . and "seeks" is as in "looking to". . .

16) "yet who know that a man is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Christ Jesus (objective genitive, shown by-->) even we have believed in Christ Jesus, 'in order to be' justified by faith in Christ (objective genitive). . .
17) But if, in our 'looking to be' justified in Christ, we ourselves were found to be sinners,"

It's not about a process, it's about a form of expression.

This justification (being made righteous) is not of ourselves but out of the faith of Christ and can only be done through us believing INTO Christ as verse 2:16 states. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ as verse 3:27 states and Romans 6. And we are not children of God or Justified by OUR faith but by the faith of Christ which we partake of in Christ having put Him on. Because we have His spirit as verse 3:2 states. And this is stated in relation to verse 2:20 where it says we are dead but live. Yet NOT US but Christ Jesus. And the LIFE WE now LIVE is BY THE FAITH OF the Son of God who gave himself. If we are living by the faith of Christ we are living by His spirit. For being In Him and He in us we are seeking to be justified, made righteous.

Living through Christ and His faith; the way He believed we are made righteous, But if we are found sinners while we are seeking to be made righteous, justified is Christ the minister of sin since we now have Him in us and we in Him? God forbid! How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therein. If I build, sin again after it has been destroyed,Vs. 2:17 the old man being crucified with Him, that the body of sin be destroyed I make myself a transgressor.

We now live in the flesh through the Faith OF the Son of God, 2:20 For it is written, the Just shall live by His Faith not through the flesh and it's works. So let not the things of the flesh be once named among you. Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. So we can not do the things that we would. Amen
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by (OUT) the works of the law, but by (THROUGH) the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in (INTO) Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by (OUT OF) the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by (THROUGH) the faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[HIM]

In context, where Paul is opposing works to faith in justification in his correction of Peter,
"might be" is as in "in order to be". . . and "seeks" is as in "looking to". . .

16) "yet who know that a man is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Christ Jesus (objective genitive, shown by-->) even we have believed in Christ Jesus, 'in order to be' justified by faith in Christ (objective genitive). . .
17) But if, in our 'looking to be' justified in Christ, we ourselves were found to be sinners,"

It's not about a process, it's about a form of expression.

In Galatians the Justification it speaks of has not happened. It is not a form of expression. That leaves it to opinion with no objectivity. Pure conjecture. Our understanding of a given text must come from context, grammar and syntax. We must go by what it says not what we think it says because of doctrine or because we think something says something different elsewhere.

And let us not forget that justified is a verb, an action not a noun, a state of being. Take a look at Thayers definition below. It says to make or render righteous is the proper definition. Take that with what was shared above in the OP and there is no possible way to understand that justification as shared in Galatians is a done deal. Our justification, being made righteous or deemed righteous is a process in Galatians. And that is a fact based on objectivity not subjective conjecture.

All you did in your post is post an opinion with nothing objective to back it up.

And where did you get the idea that Jesus in verse 16 was in the objective genitive? The context of the passages says different.
See verse 20 where it says we live but don't because it is Christ that lives in us and therefore it is His faith we live through. This dictates that the genitive is of origin. Couple that with verse 3:27 where it says we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ and there is no doubt.




Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


δικαιόω, δικαίῳ; future δικαιώσω; 1 aorist ἐδικαίωσα; passive (present δικαιοῦμαι); perfect δεδικαίωμαι; 1 aorist ἐδικαιωθην; future δικαιωθήσομαι; (δίκαιος); the Septuagint for צִדֵּק and הִצְדִּיק;
1. properly, (according to the analogy of other verbs ending in -όω, as τυφλόω, δουλόω) to make δίκαιος; to render righteous or such as he ought to be; (Vulgatejustifico); but this meaning is extremely rare, if not altogether doubtful; ἐδικαίωσα τήν καρδίαν μου stands for זִכִּיתִי לְבָבִי in Psa 72:13 (Psa 73:13) (unless I have shown my heart to be upright be preferred as the rendering of the Greek there).

 

[Eleanor]

In Galatians the Justification it speaks of has not happened.

If you believe, then you are justified. . .period.
Justification is by faith, apart from works (Ro 3:28), as is salvation (Eph 2:8-9).

It is not a form of expression.

That is precisely what it is. On what grounds do you deny the Greek meaning of the word dikaiosis?

That leaves it to opinion with no objectivity. Pure conjecture. Our understanding of a given text must come from context, grammar and syntax.

Strawman. . .

Our understanding must first come from the definition of the words used therein.

We must go by what it says not what we think it says because of doctrine or because we think something says something different elsewhere.

And let us not forget that justified is a verb, an action not a noun, a" state of being.

So? Are you unaware that words have more than one form? That "justification" (noun) is actually a form of "justify" (verb)?
Do we have to re-invent the wheel here?

Take a look at Thayers definition below. It says to make or render righteous is the proper definition.

Precisely.
And that is done by declaration of God (definition of "justification") as the result of the gift of faith, which faith remits one's sin and saves from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) on that sin.
And the NT states that is done through faith, apart from works (Ro 3:28).

Take that with what was shared above in the OP and there is no possible way to understand that justification as shared in Galatians is a done deal.

There is no other correct correct way to understand it in light of the rest of the NT.

You can make Scripture say anything you want it to say when you take it out of the context of all Scripture, as you are taking Gal 2:7 out of the context of the NT (Ro 3:24, 28, 5:1, 9, 16, 18, 8:30, 1 Co 6:11, Gal 2:16, 3:24), where justification comes with faith, as does salvation (Eph 2:8-9).

Our justification, being made righteous or deemed righteous is a process in Galatians. And that is a fact based on objectivity not subjective conjecture.

Actually that is your error based on misintrepretation of Gal 2:7 and in contradiction of the rest of the NT on justification.

All you did in your post is post an opinion with nothing objective to back it up.

And all you did was present an interpretation of Gal 2:7 that contradicts the rest of the NT.

The NT record speaks for itself.

 

[EarlyActs]

Galatians' justified, being made righteous or deemed righteous in chapter 2 verse 17 is being spoken in the subjunctive mood. The mood of possibilities not the indicative, as a done deal, a fact. This is shown by the use of the word "might" in verse 16, in the clause "might be justified (made righteous)" as in not yet but can happen in the KJV. Couple that with verse 17 where it says, 'while we seek to be justified'. This is being spoken in the Infinitive mood. This is brought out by the use of the words "to be" as in not yet but to be. This shows us here in Galatians that justified, being made righteous or deemed righteous in Galatians is not a done deal it is a process. This justification (being made righteous) is not of ourselves but out of the faith of Christ and can only be done through us believing INTO Christ as verse 2:16 states. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ as verse 3:27 states and Romans 6. And we are not children of God or Justified by OUR faith but by the faith of Christ which we partake of in Christ having put Him on. Because we have His spirit as verse 3:2 states. And this is stated in relation to verse 2:20 where it says we are dead but live. Yet NOT US but Christ Jesus. And the LIFE WE now LIVE is BY THE FAITH OF the Son of God who gave himself. If we are living by the faith of Christ we are living by His spirit. For being In Him and He in us we are seeking to be justified, made righteous.

Living through Christ and His faith; the way He believed we are made righteous, But if we are found sinners while we are seeking to be made righteous, justified is Christ the minister of sin since we now have Him in us and we in Him? God forbid! How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therein. If I build, sin again after it has been destroyed,Vs. 2:17 the old man being crucified with Him, that the body of sin be destroyed I make myself a transgressor.

We now live in the flesh through the Faith OF the Son of God, 2:20 For it is written, the Just shall live by His Faith not through the flesh and it's works. So let not the things of the flesh be once named among you. Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. So we can not do the things that we would. Amen
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by (OUT) the works of the law, but by (THROUGH) the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in (INTO) Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by (OUT OF) the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by (THROUGH) the faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

However, justification is a judge's decree and is best followed by 'from' and then the obstacle. For believers, it is sin and very often thought of in terms of debt. The reason, says Rom3, that God can be 'just (righteous) and the justifier' because He has taken the charges against as a substitute.

Thus, justification is not a process and not internal to the believer. It's the judge's declaration. It is about their account with God and whether that account has been balanced or reconciled (as in bookkeeping), and that allows people to fellowship. Here, we must always keep in mind the opposition of Judaizers in most NT letter contexts. They were making fellowship dependent on adherence to torah and to circumcision, even if they were allowing that these people were Christians. In Col 2, the Judaizer disqualified (paralogizo--a play on imputation--logizo) or downgraded the believer who had the Gospel only as their basis of fellowship. So it was justification before God and fellowship at the same time.

One reason we know it was not inside was because 'whoever is forgiven much, loves much.' The outside stance of God toward us changes us inside. Or 'where sin abounds, grace abounds even more.' Justification is more brilliant the more wretched the person is. God was in Christ settling the debt of sin., 2 Cor 5. One of the famous parables about how accounts affect how we act is that of the Unforgiving Steward. Instead of gaining an actual clean account, he thought he was being given time to pay, and was harsh on others for so much less than his own.

The process inside the believer (transformation) does not work like justification at all; there it is 'work out your salvation.' Or 'every man will bear his own load.' This is about the actual doing of sin, not the past-tense debt of sin. This is all through Christian life; equally valuable at the end, as the hymn Amazing Grace says.

Justification: God's work in Christ in history for us about our past debt of sin, all through life.
Transformation: God's work in us through the Spirit about sinning now.

There are tenses in Gal 3 that merely reflect the hope of a coming age, that the nations would believe (that they might be justified).