Further logic trouble for evolution

[EarlyActs]

Here is a logical problem (or more) for evolution found by an MSN writer. Notwithstanding, he is quite confident it is logical.

MSN

 

[miss managed]

Here is a logical problem (or more) for evolution found by an MSN writer. Notwithstanding, he is quite confident it is logical.

MSN

I'm not an evolutionist, but I certainly do not subscribe to literal 6-day creationism.

 

[EarlyActs]

I'm not an evolutionist, but I certainly do not subscribe to literal 6-day creationism.

Welcome to the CCCF forum. Do you have text-based and presuppositional reasons?

 

[miss managed]

Welcome to the CCCF forum. Do you have text-based and presuppositional reasons?

Well of course I do. Let's start with a day as a thousand years. And - not to offend - common sense.

God did not create galaxies in a few days, and the universe is NOT only 6,000 years old.

 

[EarlyActs]

Well of course I do. Let's start with a day as a thousand years. And - not to offend - common sense.

God did not create galaxies in a few days, and the universe is NOT only 6,000 years old.

How do we know? He stopped up the Red Sea, the Jordan, the Sea of Galilee…

Day 1 light was Sirius, 9 LY away, and that is found throughout maritime history as a navigation marker

Gen 1 in Hebrew word choice is only scant reference to the distant objects. It is occupied with the local objects which were placed to make the earth a human world. There are many indicators across our system about recent was.

The Hebrew term for the origin of the distant universe is the ‘spreading out’ and I can show that this was before the local creation week.

2 Peter 3 is consistent with this, a distinction between the distant cosmos and the earth, on which God has intervened totally several times and one more to come.

 

[EarlyActs]

How do we know? He stopped up the Red Sea, the Jordan, the Sea of Galilee…

Day 1 light was Sirius, 9 LY away, and that is found throughout maritime history as a navigation marker

Gen 1 in Hebrew word choice is only scant reference to the distant objects. It is occupied with the local objects which were placed to make the earth a human world. There are many indicators across our system about recent was.

The Hebrew term for the origin of the distant universe is the ‘spreading out’ and I can show that this was before the local creation week.

2 Peter 3 is consistent with this, a distinction between the distant cosmos and the earth, on which God has intervened totally several times and one more to come.

Corr: the line starting "Gen 1 in Hebrew..." should have the verb "has only scant reference..." not "is only..."

 

[prism]

I would think the eye would pose a greater problem to explain than the chin for evolutionists.

 

[David Lamb]

Well of course I do. Let's start with a day as a thousand years. And - not to offend - common sense.

God did not create galaxies in a few days, and the universe is NOT only 6,000 years old.

But the day/thousand years verse does not say that a day is a thousand years with God, but "as (or like) a thousand years."

“But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” (2Pe 3:8 NKJV)

Saying that the days mentioned in Genesis 1 were each a thousand years makes nonsense of the weekly Sabbath:

“10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. [In it] you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” (Ex 20:10-11 NKJV)

The Jewish Sabbath didn't last a thousand years, nor did it occur once every seven thousand years. Besides, the days of Genesis 1 are each said to have a morning and an evening, not 365,000 mornings and evenings, as would be the case if each day was a thousand years long.

 

[CrowCross]

I'm not an evolutionist, but I certainly do not subscribe to literal 6-day creationism.

Would that also include Eve not being formed from Adams rib?

 

[CrowCross]

Well of course I do. Let's start with a day as a thousand years. And - not to offend - common sense.

God did not create galaxies in a few days, and the universe is NOT only 6,000 years old.

Have you ever studied Russ Humphreys "white hole cosmology"?

I'm not saying Humphreys is correct...but it is a possible solution.

 

[CrowCross]

The Hebrew term for the origin of the distant universe is the ‘spreading out’ and I can show that this was before the local creation week.

I would say this happened during the week.

 

[miss managed]

Would that also include Eve not being formed from Adams rib?

No telling just what the rib really implies, and it doesn't matter a whole lot. Digging a little deeper shows the word rib implies 'life' - God to some type of living something out of the man to make a woman. Who knows for sure.

 

[CrowCross]

But the day/thousand years verse does not say that a day is a thousand years with God, but "as (or like) a thousand years."

“But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” (2Pe 3:8 NKJV)

Saying that the days mentioned in Genesis 1 were each a thousand years makes nonsense of the weekly Sabbath:

“10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. [In it] you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” (Ex 20:10-11 NKJV)

The Jewish Sabbath didn't last a thousand years, nor did it occur once every seven thousand years. Besides, the days of Genesis 1 are each said to have a morning and an evening, not 365,000 mornings and evenings, as would be the case if each day was a thousand years long.

For what it's worth....Barnabas who traveled with Paul wrote the following: (ref)

Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5
And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son
shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall
judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the
stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.

 

[CrowCross]

No telling just what the rib really implies, and it doesn't matter a whole lot. Digging a little deeper shows the word rib implies 'life' - God to some type of living something out of the man to make a woman. Who knows for sure.

If that's true then all of the creation account has some "message" that you spiritualize.

It sounds as if Eve didn't literally eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
There really wasn't a fall. How do you spiritualize that?

It sounds like Adam isn't created on day 6...How do you spiritualize that?
Sounds like Adam wasn't really placed into the garden of Eden...How do you spiritualize that?
It sounds like you are saying there really wasn't 2 cherubim placed at the gate of the garden to guard it. How do you spiritualize that?
Do you also spiritualize the protoevangelium? Jesus never really came and died for our sins?

How do you determine the literal from the non-literal?

 

[miss managed]

If that's true then all of the creation account has some "message" that you spiritualize.

It sounds as if Eve didn't literally eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
There really wasn't a fall. How do you spiritualize that?

It sounds like Adam isn't created on day 6...How do you spiritualize that?
Sounds like Adam wasn't really placed into the garden of Eden...How do you spiritualize that?
It sounds like you are saying there really wasn't 2 cherubim placed at the gate of the garden to guard it. How do you spiritualize that?
Do you also spiritualize the protoevangelium? Jesus never really came and died for our sins?

How do you determine the literal from the non-literal?

Too many questions that I really don't care to reply about.

 

[miss managed]

But the day/thousand years verse does not say that a day is a thousand years with God, but "as (or like) a thousand years."

“But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” (2Pe 3:8 NKJV)

Saying that the days mentioned in Genesis 1 were each a thousand years makes nonsense of the weekly Sabbath:

“10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. [In it] you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” (Ex 20:10-11 NKJV)

The Jewish Sabbath didn't last a thousand years, nor did it occur once every seven thousand years. Besides, the days of Genesis 1 are each said to have a morning and an evening, not 365,000 mornings and evenings, as would be the case if each day was a thousand years long.

So you believe in literal 6-day? That the entire universe was created in 6 literal 24-hour days?

 

[CrowCross]

So you believe in literal 6-day? That the entire universe was created in 6 literal 24-hour days?

One can answer....whose clock are you using?

Yes, I believe in a literal 6 day creation. The all powerful God could have created it all in six minutes if He desired. instead He did it in six days as per what the bible says.
Why do i need to change the time line?

 

[CrowCross]

Too many questions that I really don't care to reply about.

Of course not. I wouldn't want to answer them if I believed Genesis 1, 2 and 3 were not literal....and was asked to spiritualize the meaning behind each event.

Why would you not simply take he bible for what it says? Is it mans science that has placed doubt in Genesis?
Mans science says if you die you don't come back to life on day 3 like Jesus did. Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead despite what mans science says?

 

[John Bauer]

Here is a logical problem (or more) for evolution, found by an MSN writer.

Exactly how is the chin a "logical" problem for evolution? Where does the logic break down?

 

[EarlyActs]

Exactly how is the chin a "logical" problem for evolution? Where does the logic break down?

why ask me when there's an article to read? didn't it link?